• Re: How The FBI Finds Your DELETED Files

    From pyotr filipivich@pyotr13315@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Oct 14 15:18:52 2026
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    Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> on Sat, 29 Aug 2026 19:39:12 +0200
    typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
    My high school computer teacher told us the only way to truly delete or erase files
    is to smash your computer's hard drive with a sledgehammer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdui7v2B9DI

    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.
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    pyotr filipivich
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  • From Destroy HardDisk@invalid@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 00:52:03 2026
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    On 14/10/2026 23:18, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.



    All of this is very risky. The simplest method is to submerge the hard disk in boiling water.



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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 00:15:51 2026
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    On Wed, 10/14/2026 7:52 PM, Destroy HardDisk wrote:
    On 14/10/2026 23:18, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.



    All of this is very risky. The simplest method is to submerge the hard disk in boiling water.

    HDD are too expensive to waste.

    Save the boiling water for making tea.

    I don't think there are enough certified super-villains
    in the world for this project :-)

    The computer teacher had sized up the class well, knowing
    that a sledge hammer would have the lowest blast radius :-)

    Paul
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 11:34:27 2026
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    pyotr filipivich <pyotr13315@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> on Sat, 29 Aug 2026 19:39:12 +0200
    typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
    My high school computer teacher told us the only way to truly delete or erase files
    is to smash your computer's hard drive with a sledgehammer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdui7v2B9DI

    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.

    Take it out, open it up, break the 'glass' platters [1], job done.

    [1] I don't know if all modern drives have 'glass' platters. The (2.5")
    ones I needed to destroy, had.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 12:38:18 2026
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    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    pyotr filipivich <pyotr13315@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> on Sat, 29 Aug 2026 19:39:12 +0200
    typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
    My high school computer teacher told us the only way to truly delete or erase files
    is to smash your computer's hard drive with a sledgehammer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdui7v2B9DI

    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.

    Take it out, open it up, break the 'glass' platters [1], job done.

    [1] I don't know if all modern drives have 'glass' platters. The (2.5")
    ones I needed to destroy, had.

    I did encounter some glass ones years ago, but thought they went back to aluminium? I've not opened any for a long time ...
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 18:27:30 2026
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    On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 15:18:52 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:

    Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> on Sat, 29 Aug 2026 19:39:12 +0200
    typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
    My high school computer teacher told us the only way to truly delete or erase files
    is to smash your computer's hard drive with a sledgehammer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdui7v2B9DI

    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.

    <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iHjeAlFY7bo>

    (And I've been told they would still be able to get some data from these parts.)
    --
    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    - Julius Caesar
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 13:56:57 2026
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    On Thu, 10/15/2026 7:38 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    pyotr filipivich <pyotr13315@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> on Sat, 29 Aug 2026 19:39:12 +0200
    typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
    My high school computer teacher told us the only way to truly delete or erase files
    is to smash your computer's hard drive with a sledgehammer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdui7v2B9DI

             Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

             Charcoal will do as well.

       Take it out, open it up, break the 'glass' platters [1], job done.

    [1] I don't know if all modern drives have 'glass' platters. The (2.5")
    ones I needed to destroy, had.

    I did encounter some glass ones years ago, but thought they went back to aluminium?  I've not opened any for a long time ...

    A 22TB drive uses glass platters, and the glass is thinner
    than the previous generation of glass platters. That's
    because there are 11 platters plus 22 heads in a one inch
    space. All swimming in helium. They don't use float glass
    for that :-) There is plenty of research into making
    slightly more exotic glass.

    A lower density drive (four platters, four terabytes), could
    afford to be aluminum.

    The disk drive companies, don't like having too many platter
    types on the go at the same time. For example, I used to buy 500GB
    drives, and they didn't really want to make them any more. Randomly,
    at the computer store, I received one with "MK2" in the model number.
    And that turned out to be a short-stroked drive, which is significantly
    faster than its brothers. It uses a 1TB platter, the arm goes from
    the outer radius to the middle and then stops. Both sides of the platter
    are certified. And it was 40MB/sec faster to boot (as the 1TB platter
    being denser than the other, might enable that). The reason for
    that design, is they still wanted to build 500GB drives for a short
    time (another year), but did not want to stockpile 500GB platters any more.

    Paul
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Oct 15 14:18:13 2026
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    On Thu, 10/15/2026 12:27 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 15:18:52 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:

    Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> on Sat, 29 Aug 2026 19:39:12 +0200
    typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
    My high school computer teacher told us the only way to truly delete or erase files
    is to smash your computer's hard drive with a sledgehammer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdui7v2B9DI

    Alternate method is to bake it over a coal fire.

    Charcoal will do as well.

    <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iHjeAlFY7bo>

    (And I've been told they would still be able to get some data from these parts.)


    The shredder is supposed to be good up to Top Secret, whereas
    the demagnetizer design "was not overkill enough". Shredding
    is a kind of physical proof. If a unit went through a
    demagnetizer, and you were staring at it, the outside of the
    unit gives "no evidence the procedure was carried out".
    The shredder does that for you. The particulate is a certain
    size. If the platters had been aluminum, just the bending
    action on the shards would have been enough of a guarantee.
    For glass shards from a shattered platter in a shredder,
    they are unlikely to bend, they have to shatter or scratch
    to release pressure applied.

    For magnetic force microscopy, the sample has to be flat, the
    X-Y positioner only handles 100u . You have to be able to propel
    the sample smoothly while scanning via magnetic force. Presumably
    piezoelectric kinds of things used on three axis. Nothing
    prevents a 3.5" squared positioner from being built and placing
    an entire platter under vacuum, and scanning in 100u chunks. You
    would have to overlap the scans and align them, to "make" a large
    image. That means the scanning process has to be *highly* reproducible.

    I believe there are two scans. The first scan is AFM mode, and
    this establishes the local topography (mountains and valleys),
    then the AFM scan is subtracted from the MFM, so that
    physical roughness does not disturb the magnetic signal extraction.

    The data is default encrypted with FDE, there is a scrambler to
    prevent long runs of zeros, the analog signal is PRML encoded.
    Even when your scan is working, you'd be relying on CRC per sector
    to prove the content was extracted correctly.

    There are only a couple hundred conventional MFM in universities,
    and they are used for materials research or mineralogy. That's why
    a 100u scan limit, isn't a problem for them. You prepare the sample
    to fit the machine, whereas in forensics, you fit the machine to
    the sample. But nothing prevents the building of a different machine
    for data recovery. A lot of things have to go right, and for
    an aluminum platter (flatness?), this is a lot tougher than glass.
    With glass though, just the damage along the edges of the shards
    is a problem. The MFM head, you can't be "driving it over garbage" :-)
    It's not an all terrain vehicle with a snow plow on the front.

    Paul



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