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On 2/10/2026 10:51 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/10/2 7:21:45, c186282 wrote:

<Snip>

Found some records for the UK, Birmingham
perhaps. The average age of death for
"ordinary workers" was *19* in the
mid 1800s. "Business people" could
expect maybe *35* on average. Only

A _lot_ of those statistics are skewed by both infant and child
mortality - well, not skewed because that's what "average" actually
_means_. But in a lot of cases adults _did_ live longer than the
_average_ figures at first suggest - though I agree, a lot less than we
do now. That's one of the reasons we're in trouble with the cost of
pensions: when the scheme (which is basically a legalized Ponzi scheme)
was set up, people weren't expected to live more than say four or five
years into retirement, and very few governments dared to raise the age
as longevity increased.

Back in about 2000, the Australian Government DID start raising the
Pension age, First raising the Woman's Pension Age from 60yo, increasing
a year every two years, so by 2010 the Women's pension Age would be
65yo, same as the Men's pension age.

Since then the Pension Age for both Men and Women is increasing a year
every four or five years until it reaches 70yo.
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On 5/10/2026 4:24 am, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2026-10-04 16:26, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

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Yes - same effect as a photographic flashgun. (The thing mu dentist uses
is held in place somehow - articulated arm probably, I've never noticed
- and I hold still. It makes a short noise when the dentist the other
side of the door presses her button, but I think significantly more of a
second than a millisecond. and I still think the thing in black plastic
wrap that she puts in a holder inside my mouth - held in a wire frame
attached to a clamp, that I bite down on - is a piece of film.)

I suppose it is a second of preparation, not the actual "shot".

As for those using electronic sensors: I am sure there _are_ (and they
use) ones specifically designed to detect X-rays, but I would imagine
even ones designed for light would detect X-rays, as X-rays are more
energetic than light; I suppose using sensors designed _only_ for X-rays
avoids the necessity to wrap them in something to keep the light out.--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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something nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will
all have been worth the while.
- Liner notes, "Songs & More Songs By Tom Lehrer", Rhino Records, 1997.

You forgot to add the signature separator.

No, it's there .... at the right hand end of the line prior to the "J.
P. Gilliver ....." signature line before the last paragraph which is
part of J.P.'s sig file.

I think that problem is referred to as the "Sig Delimiter suck effect".
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On 18/10/2026 13:29, Daniel70 wrote:

You forgot to add the signature separator.

No, it's there .... at the right hand end of the line prior to the "J.
P. Gilliver ....." signature line before the last paragraph which is
part of J.P.'s sig file.

I think that problem is referred to as the "Sig Delimiter suck effect".

Its hateful - I often accidentally corrupt or delete the separator

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'
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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

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On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Quote Colours & Collapse ass-on can hide .sigs

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On 2026-10-18 16:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

It happens when there is no white line separating the signature block.
Like this.
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On 18/10/2026 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-10-18 16:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

It happens when there is no white line separating the signature block.
Like this.

Not here. I see it greyed out and it's automatically removed when I
reply. Currently, Thunderbird 158.0 (64-bit) (I updated after I wrote
the previous reply). Maybe it has been fixed?
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On 18/10/2026 15:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

Yes, that's not what I meant. I meant I wish when *composing* that the
sig wasn't editable
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On 2026/10/18 12:45:33, Daniel70 wrote:
[]

Back in about 2000, the Australian Government DID start raising the
Pension age, First raising the Woman's Pension Age from 60yo, increasing
a year every two years, so by 2010 the Women's pension Age would be
65yo, same as the Men's pension age.

UK did the same - I'm not sure of the details of how and when, but men
and women are now the same. (There's some trouble at the moment with the
group of women who "missed out" [had their pension date made later]
without, they claim possibly with some justification, that they weren't
given adequate time to make the extra provisions necessary.)>

Since then the Pension Age for both Men and Women is increasing a year
every four or five years until it reaches 70yo.

I think something similar should be done in all countries where
longevity is increasing (ideally with the jumps being less than a year,
so people don't have such a nasty surprise; UK did that with the last
change, e. g. my pension start at 66 and one month). and, if longevity
_does_ continue to increase, not stop at 70. One year every four or five
is gentle enough that it shouldn't be _that_ painful, though of course
people will always complain. Have the Australian Government definitely
said they'll stop at 70? (Has it reached that yet?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Just seen a Dyslexic Yorkshireman wearing a cat flap!
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On 2026/10/18 14:44:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 18/10/2026 13:29, Daniel70 wrote:

You forgot to add the signature separator.

No, it's there .... at the right hand end of the line prior to the "J.
P. Gilliver ....." signature line before the last paragraph which is
part of J.P.'s sig file.

I think that problem is referred to as the "Sig Delimiter suck effect".

Its hateful - I often accidentally corrupt or delete the separator

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Yes, it's a linefeed-eating bug in Thunderbird; there was one similar in
the early 140s version, but it was fixed, but came back (at a later
revision) - not quite the same, this time round it particularly likes to swallow the linefeed before the "-- " line, thus rendering it
ineffective. It doesn't _always_ do it, which is worse. The most
irritating aspect of the bug is that it happens between the compose
editor and the actual sending: the post looks fine when I click "send".
(It isn't _just_ the one before the .sig that gets eaten: if I post with
some new text followed by one or more blank lines of quoted text, I get
a line ending like this>>>.)
It's allegedly been fixed in Betterbird, and possibly some of the
non-esr versions of Thunderbird; hoping it'll be fixed in the ESR
version soon. (In the meantime, I just have to remember to insert lots
of extra blank lines.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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On 18/10/2026 21:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

Yes, that's not what I meant. I meant I wish when *composing* that the
sig wasn't editable

Ah! Clear.
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On 2026/10/18 20:54:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

Yes, that's not what I meant. I meant I wish when *composing* that the > sig wasn't editable

Hmm. I would have no objection to it appearing in a different colour
(the grey used when displaying them in incoming would be fine by me),
but not sure about making it uneditable; there are times when the random
one my old (DOS-based, I think!) routine selects from my quotes file is inappropriate for the subject matter of a post/email, or I want to add
extra to it.
--
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On 19/10/2026 7:25 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/10/18 14:44:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 18/10/2026 13:29, Daniel70 wrote:

You forgot to add the signature separator.

No, it's there .... at the right hand end of the line prior to the "J.
P. Gilliver ....." signature line before the last paragraph which is
part of J.P.'s sig file.

I think that problem is referred to as the "Sig Delimiter suck effect".

Its hateful - I often accidentally corrupt or delete the separator

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Yes, it's a linefeed-eating bug in Thunderbird; there was one similar in
the early 140s version, but it was fixed, but came back (at a later
revision) - not quite the same, this time round it particularly likes to swallow the linefeed before the "-- " line, thus rendering it
ineffective. It doesn't _always_ do it, which is worse. The most
irritating aspect of the bug is that it happens between the compose
editor and the actual sending: the post looks fine when I click "send".
(It isn't _just_ the one before the .sig that gets eaten: if I post with
some new text followed by one or more blank lines of quoted text, I get
a line ending like this>>>.)
It's allegedly been fixed in Betterbird, and possibly some of the
non-esr versions of Thunderbird; hoping it'll be fixed in the ESR
version soon. (In the meantime, I just have to remember to insert lots
of extra blank lines.)

Me, on the other hand, I often delete all those empty lines so my sig delimiter is often the very next line following the text.
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On 19/10/2026 7:18 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/10/18 12:45:33, Daniel70 wrote: []

Back in about 2000, the Australian Government DID start raising
the Pension age, First raising the Woman's Pension Age from 60yo,
increasing a year every two years, so by 2010 the Women's pension
Age would be 65yo, same as the Men's pension age.

UK did the same - I'm not sure of the details of how and when, but
men and women are now the same. (There's some trouble at the moment
with the group of women who "missed out" [had their pension date made
later] without, they claim possibly with some justification, that
they weren't given adequate time to make the extra provisions
necessary.)>

Since then the Pension Age for both Men and Women is increasing a
year every four or five years until it reaches 70yo.

I think something similar should be done in all countries where
longevity is increasing (ideally with the jumps being less than a
year, so people don't have such a nasty surprise; UK did that with
the last change, e. g. my pension start at 66 and one month).

My Pension started at 66y and 8 months.

and, if longevity _does_ continue to increase, not stop at 70. One
year every four or five is gentle enough that it shouldn't be _that_
painful, though of course people will always complain. Have the
Australian Government definitely said they'll stop at 70? (Has it
reached that yet?)

When the Treasurer announced it way-back-when, the increasing was
supposed to finish at 70yo (which I hit last week) ..... but who knows now??
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On 19/10/2026 1:06 am, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

Yeap, that auto-deletion of the sig file is a good idea.
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On 19/10/2026 6:06 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-10-18 16:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

It happens when there is no white line separating the signature block.
Like this.

You left no white line between your text and the sig separator, Carlos,
but when I hit 'Reply' your sig separator and your sig file are gone.
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On 2026/10/19 10:7:54, Daniel70 wrote:

On 19/10/2026 1:06 am, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS). And
if I reply it's automatically removed.

Yeap, that auto-deletion of the sig file is a good idea.

Yes, I'm pretty certain that's what the separator was defined for; if it
was just to separate by appearance, it wouldn't have a precisely-defined format.
--
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On 2026/10/19 9:50:47, Daniel70 wrote:
[]

Me, on the other hand, I often delete all those empty lines so my sig delimiter is often the very next line following the text.

Me too - I don't like inserting trailing blank lines. (Which is why the newline-eating bug often corrupts my signature separator.)
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On Oct 19, 2026 at 5:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote in 11b519d$21igg$2@dont-email.me:

On 2026/10/19 9:50:47, Daniel70 wrote:
[]

Me, on the other hand, I often delete all those empty lines so my sig
delimiter is often the very next line following the text.

Me too - I don't like inserting trailing blank lines. (Which is why
the newline-eating bug often corrupts my signature separator.)

I like at least one trailing space... but if others do not I will
accommodate that. I am working on my own Usenet client that, if all goes
well, MAYBE someday I will put up in the app store.
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On 2026-10-18 21:30, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-10-18 16:06, John Bokma wrote:

On 18/10/2026 15:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

[..]

I wish thunderbird would 'grey it out'

Your sig is greyed out here (Thunderbird 146.0 (64-bit) on macOS).
And if I reply it's automatically removed.

It happens when there is no white line separating the signature block.
Like this.

Not here. I see it greyed out and it's automatically removed when I
reply. Currently, Thunderbird 158.0 (64-bit) (I updated after I wrote
the previous reply). Maybe it has been fixed?

No, it happens sometimes, but one of the triggers is no separation blank
line.
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On 2026-10-19 14:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/10/19 9:50:47, Daniel70 wrote:
[]

Me, on the other hand, I often delete all those empty lines so my sig
delimiter is often the very next line following the text.

Me too - I don't like inserting trailing blank lines. (Which is why the newline-eating bug often corrupts my signature separator.)

And I always leave one line.
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