• Tablet Review - My new Windows tablet is not so hot...

    From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat May 2 14:59:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11


    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC, 10.1"
    FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz Laptop, 4GB
    RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home (Renewed)

    I complained here about my last 2 Windows toys, a tablet and a
    mini-laptop, that both ran very warm to the touch, even though they both
    had fans, the tablet sometimes even being uncomfortable to hold. So a
    couple of great-grandkids now own them.

    So when I saw the above 2 in 1 renewed tablet on Amazon for $69US I
    figured why not. I ordered it in the evening and it was here the next
    morning. Amazing. It works very well for what I do which is mostly not
    very demanding. But I was surprised at how much cooler it runs than my
    last two toys and it does not have a fan. Right now I can barely feel
    any warmth. Course typing a post is not all that demanding. My other
    GUESSES of why the less heat would be a less demanding version of
    Windows and less capable electronics?

    The keyboard is has both Japanese and English characters so maybe I will become a bi-letter person for it. I have yet to find the apostrophe but
    no big deal, I can write around that.

    The tablet is not heavy and is easy to hold for long periods. The bezels
    are wide which many think is bad but I personally like since my fat
    fingers do not accidentally hang over the screen and do things I do not
    want.

    It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but being a
    renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery. It does
    charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...


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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat May 2 18:31:11 2026
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    On 5/2/26 5:59 PM, AJL wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC, 10.1"
    FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz Laptop, 4GB
    RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home (Renewed)

    I complained here about my last 2 Windows toys, a tablet and a
    mini-laptop, that both ran very warm to the touch, even though they both
    had fans, the tablet sometimes even being uncomfortable to hold. So a
    couple of great-grandkids now own them.

    So when I saw the above 2 in 1 renewed tablet on Amazon for $69US I
    figured why not. I ordered it in the evening and it was here the next morning. Amazing. It works very well for what I do which is mostly not
    very demanding. But I was surprised at how much cooler it runs than my
    last two toys and it does not have a fan. Right now I can barely feel
    any warmth. Course typing a post is not all that demanding. My other
    GUESSES of why the less heat would be a less demanding version of
    Windows and less capable electronics?

    The keyboard is has both Japanese and English characters so maybe I will become a bi-letter person for it. I have yet to find the apostrophe but
    no big deal, I can write around that.

    The tablet is not heavy and is easy to hold for long periods. The bezels
    are wide which many think is bad but I personally like since my fat
    fingers do not accidentally hang over the screen and do things I do not
    want.

    It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but being a
    renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery. It does
    charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...


    If you've got the money, not going paycheck to paycheck, sounds like a good toy.
    I bought a Samsung Galaxy tab A7 tablet for 'us', and my wife has completely taken it to
    be her own. See loves reading the E edition of the morning paper, browsing Facebook.
    Light duty work, but it's lighter and easier to use than a 15.6 laptop.
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    Alan K.
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat May 2 16:03:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/2/2026 3:31 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    On 5/2/26 5:59 PM, AJL wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
    10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
    Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
    (Renewed)

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...

    If you've got the money, not going paycheck to paycheck, sounds like
    a good toy.

    If one is going paycheck to paycheck renewed is actually probably best.
    It is cheaper than new and so far the ones I have bought have worked
    well. Knocks on wood...

    I bought a Samsung Galaxy tab A7 tablet for 'us', and my wife has
    completely taken it to be her own. She loves reading the E edition
    of the morning paper, browsing Facebook. Light duty work, but it's
    lighter and easier to use than a 15.6 laptop.

    I like reading ebooks on my Amazon Fire 7 seven inch tablet because it
    is lighter and easier to hold. I have installed Google on it so I can
    get books from either the Amazon or Google book stores. If you want
    cheap books the Amazon store has more self published authors that often
    sell books for 99 cents to get you hooked on a series. So download the
    Kindle app if you have not yet done so.

    However the E edition of my newspaper is a direct photocopy of the print edition and is better read on a larger tablet like this new toy I just reviewed...


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat May 2 22:18:50 2026
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    On Sat, 5/2/2026 5:59 PM, AJL wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC, 10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home (Renewed)

    I complained here about my last 2 Windows toys, a tablet and a mini-laptop, that both ran very warm to the touch, even though they both had fans, the tablet sometimes even being uncomfortable to hold. So a couple of great-grandkids now own them.

    So when I saw the above 2 in 1 renewed tablet on Amazon for $69US I figured why not. I ordered it in the evening and it was here the next morning. Amazing. It works very well for what I do which is mostly not very demanding. But I was surprised at how much cooler it runs than my last two toys and it does not have a fan. Right now I can barely feel any warmth. Course typing a post is not all that demanding. My other GUESSES of why the less heat would be a less demanding version of Windows and less capable electronics?

    The keyboard is has both Japanese and English characters so maybe I will become a bi-letter person for it. I have yet to find the apostrophe but no big deal, I can write around that.

    The tablet is not heavy and is easy to hold for long periods. The bezels are wide which many think is bad but I personally like since my fat fingers do not accidentally hang over the screen and do things I do not want.

    It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but being a renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery. It does charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...


    You got your wish. It's a two watt processor.

    Recommended Customer Price $32.00
    CPU Specifications
    Total Cores 4
    Burst Frequency 2.40 GHz
    Processor Base Frequency 1.44 GHz
    Cache 2 MB
    Scenario Design Power (SDP) 2 W
    Launch Date Q1'16

    Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) 8 GB
    Memory Types LPDDR3 1600
    Max # of Memory Channels 2

    In keeping with the power level, it's likely
    that only one of two memory channels is used
    and the memory will be chips-soldered-to-PCB.
    And it won't even be an eight chip bank either,
    it could be four memory chips or two memory chips,
    as means to save power (fewer loads on the address bus).

    When your CPU is only 2 watts, suddenly the power
    waste of everything else looks huge :-)

    If the product came with "fuel gauge" software for
    the battery, that might give you some indication
    how many times it was charged. The battery pack
    itself, inside where you can't see it, will have
    a label with the date-of-manufacture on it.

    Paul
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun May 3 03:18:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 2 May 2026 16:03:22 -0700, AJL wrote:

    I like reading ebooks on my Amazon Fire 7 seven inch tablet because it
    is lighter and easier to hold. I have installed Google on it so I can
    get books from either the Amazon or Google book stores. If you want
    cheap books the Amazon store has more self published authors that often
    sell books for 99 cents to get you hooked on a series. So download the
    Kindle app if you have not yet done so.

    With Prime Reading you can 'borrow' a lot of books for free. Unlike
    library borrows there isn't an expiration date. There is a limit on how
    many books you can have out at once but it's high enough I've never hit
    it. It's not only fiction. I have several programming books.

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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat May 2 20:35:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/2/2026 7:18 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 5/2/2026 5:59 PM, AJL wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
    10.1" FHD Notebook Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...

    You got your wish. It's a two watt processor.

    I do not remember ever wishing for a 2 watt processor...

    Recommended Customer Price $32.00

    If you found someplace selling them for $32 you ought to post the link.
    Maybe someone else might like to get one.

    CPU Specifications Total Cores 4 Burst Frequency 2.40
    GHz Processor Base Frequency 1.44 GHz Cache 2 MB Scenario Design
    Power (SDP) 2 W Launch Date Q1'16 Max Memory
    Size (dependent on memory type) 8 GB Memory Types LPDDR3 1600 Max #
    of Memory Channels 2

    As you know from previous posts that tech stuff is mostly Greek to me.
    But I suppose it will help others if they decide they want to part with
    the big bucks for a thing like this...

    In keeping with the power level, it's likely that only one of two
    memory channels is used and the memory will be chips-soldered-to-PCB.
    And it won't even be an eight chip bank either, it could be four
    memory chips or two memory chips, as means to save power (fewer loads
    on the address bus). When your CPU is only 2 watts, suddenly the
    power waste of everything else looks huge :-)

    If it stays cool and runs the stuff I want what more can I ask...

    If the product came with "fuel gauge" software for the battery, that
    might give you some indication how many times it was charged. The
    battery pack itself, inside where you can't see it, will have a
    label with the date-of-manufacture on it.

    I can not find anything about the battery info in the software like my Chromebook has built in. A whole section on the battery including
    graphs. Cmon MS get with it. It looks easy to take the back off this
    thing but I am not curious enough to do it to just see how old the
    battery is. So far the battery seems normal. And I suppose if it does go
    bad I could replace it. There are lots available on Amazon. That would
    add a whole (gasp) $20 to the original outrageous price of this thing...
    8-O
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat May 2 20:46:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/2/2026 8:18 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 2 May 2026 16:03:22 -0700, AJL wrote:

    I like reading ebooks on my Amazon Fire 7 seven inch tablet because
    it is lighter and easier to hold. I have installed Google on it so
    I can get books from either the Amazon or Google book stores. If
    you want cheap books the Amazon store has more self published
    authors that often sell books for 99 cents to get you hooked on a
    series. So download the Kindle app if you have not yet done so.

    With Prime Reading you can 'borrow' a lot of books for free. Unlike
    library borrows there isn't an expiration date. There is a limit on
    how many books you can have out at once but it's high enough I've
    never hit it. It's not only fiction. I have several programming
    books.

    Yup. I have Prime. But I still do not mind paying a few bucks for a book
    Prime does not have...

    Heck, back in the old days I got ALL my ebooks for free on the Usenet
    binary groups. But then a son-in-law became an author and I got
    religion. No more stealing from authors from then on...


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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun May 3 09:22:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 2 May 2026 14:59:12 -0700
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:


    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC, 10.1"
    FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz Laptop, 4GB
    RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home (Renewed)

    I complained here about my last 2 Windows toys, a tablet and a
    mini-laptop, that both ran very warm to the touch, even though they both
    had fans, the tablet sometimes even being uncomfortable to hold. So a
    couple of great-grandkids now own them.

    So when I saw the above 2 in 1 renewed tablet on Amazon for $69US I
    figured why not. I ordered it in the evening and it was here the next morning. Amazing. It works very well for what I do which is mostly not
    very demanding. But I was surprised at how much cooler it runs than my
    last two toys and it does not have a fan. Right now I can barely feel
    any warmth. Course typing a post is not all that demanding. My other
    GUESSES of why the less heat would be a less demanding version of
    Windows and less capable electronics?

    The keyboard is has both Japanese and English characters so maybe I will become a bi-letter person for it. I have yet to find the apostrophe but
    no big deal, I can write around that.

    The tablet is not heavy and is easy to hold for long periods. The bezels
    are wide which many think is bad but I personally like since my fat
    fingers do not accidentally hang over the screen and do things I do not want.

    It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but being a renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery. It does
    charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

    Not any kind of clue, IMO; batteries charge indicator of 100% means
    they're at capacity, but the capacity gets degraded with usage.

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...


    (later post: I think $32 is for just the processor)
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  • From Philip Herlihy@nothing@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun May 3 10:15:39 2026
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    In article <10t6fqi$2kdjr$1@dont-email.me>, noemail@none.com says...
    I can not find anything about the battery info in the software like my >Chromebook has built in. A whole section on the battery including
    graphs. Cmon MS get with it. It looks easy to take the back off this ...



    If this is a Windows machine you can run :
    powercfg /batteryreport

    In a terminal, Powershell or command-window.
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun May 3 09:41:49 2026
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    On 5/3/2026 2:15, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    AJL wrote:

    I can not find anything about the battery info in the software like
    my Chromebook has built in. A whole section on the battery
    including graphs. Cmon MS get with it. It looks easy to take the
    back off th:is ...

    If this is a Windows machine you can run : powercfg /batteryreport In
    a terminal, Powershell or command-window.

    Here is what I got. The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at
    324. If that is correct it is definitely not a new battery. But I will
    leave it to the techies here to analyze it. The interesting stuff at the bottom was left blank. Too bad...

    Battery report
    SYSTEM PRODUCT NAME FUJITSU
    BIOS Version 2.09 03/16/2018
    OS BUILD 26100.1.amd64fre.ge_release.240331-1435
    PLATFORM ROLE Slate
    CONNECTED STANDBY Supported
    REPORT TIME 2026-05-0309:09:53
    Installed batteries
    Information about each currently installed battery
    BATTERY 1
    NAME CP731923-01
    MANUFACTURER FUJITSU
    SERIAL NUMBER 0000001
    CHEMISTRY LION
    DESIGN CAPACITY 33,150 mWh
    FULL CHARGE CAPACITY 28,733 mWh
    CYCLE COUNT 324
    :32 2 % 712 mWh
    Usage history
    History of system usage on AC and battery
    BATTERY DURATION AC DURATION
    PERIOD ACTIVE CONNECTED STANDBY ACTIVE CONNECTED STANDBY
    - - - - -
    Battery capacity history
    Charge capacity history of the system's batteries
    PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
    - - -
    Battery life estimates
    Battery life estimates based on observed drains
    AT FULL CHARGE AT DESIGN CAPACITY
    PERIOD ACTIVE CONNECTED STANDBY ACTIVE CONNECTED STANDBY
    - - - - -
    Current estimate of battery life based on all observed drains since OS
    install
    Since OS install - - - -




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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun May 3 09:42:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/3/2026 1:22, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
    10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
    Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
    (Renewed)

    It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but
    being a renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery.
    It does charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

    Not any kind of clue, IMO; batteries charge indicator of 100% means
    they're at capacity,

    True. But I have had devices in the past that stopped charging at less
    than 100% and IMO that was a definite clue of a battery problem...

    but the capacity gets degraded with usage.

    Of course. Also with age, and in this renewed tablet battery age is
    definitely in question...

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...

    (later post: I think $32 is for just the processor)

    Ah. Hard to tell from that excessively technical cut and paste post. If
    this thing quits (other than the battery which Amazon has for cheap) I
    think I will just add it to our polluted environment...

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun May 3 17:29:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 5/3/2026 12:42 PM, AJL wrote:
    On 5/3/2026 1:22, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
    10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
    Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
    (Renewed)

    It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but
    being a renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery.
    It does charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

    Not any kind of clue, IMO; batteries charge indicator of 100% means
    they're at capacity,

    True. But I have had devices in the past that stopped charging at less
    than 100% and IMO that was a definite clue of a battery problem...

    but the capacity gets degraded with usage.

    Of course. Also with age, and in this renewed tablet battery age is definitely in question...

    Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...

    (later post: I think $32 is for just the processor)

    Ah. Hard to tell from that excessively technical cut and paste post. If
    this thing quits (other than the battery which Amazon has for cheap) I
    think I will just add it to our polluted environment...


    Yes, the $32 is just for the processor. It won't be socketed, it's
    a Ball Grid Array and solders right to the motherboard.

    The 2 watt rating, means it is relatively easy to cool. That is all.

    Paul
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue May 5 10:51:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    AJL wrote:

    The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at 324. If that is
    correct it is definitely not a new battery.

    The 86% of original capacity suggests it's a likely a couple of years old
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue May 5 10:11:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/5/2026 2:51, Andy Burns wrote:
    AJL wrote:

    The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at 324. If that is
    correct it is definitely not a new battery.

    The 86% of original capacity suggests it's a likely a couple of years
    old

    Or older. Maybe third or forth hand? This from a search: The Fujitsu
    Stylistic Q508 was primarily released around 2018-2019, with production
    and support focusing on that era; it was succeeded by newer models like
    the Q509 and Q5010. Today, the Q508 is widely available only as a
    refurbished or secondhand device from dealers, particularly in Japan.

    Lots of problems but fun to play with. But I've got lots of time on my
    hands. I wouldn't suggest it for any serious stuff. Some of the current problems are listed here, more to be discovered soon I'm sure.

    The physical keyboard is annoying because the symbols are mostly wrong.
    For example to get an apostrophe I have to push the star key.
    Fortunately the on screen keyboard is correct and can be used when I
    give up trying to find the right symbol.

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no
    matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
    does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

    The new problem was after the latest Windows update. The Memory
    Integrity switch turned off. It now complains the ACPI.sys driver is the
    cause.

    But for my nonsensitive uses it works fine as a recreational tablet. And
    it may just keep me on Usenet with this TB newsreader app. My Android newsreader PhoNews is becoming unusable as Android advances. Currently
    it is still working on my Amazon Fire tablet which uses an older fork of Android but Amazon could upgrade it at any time and spoil things...

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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue May 5 11:08:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/5/2026 10:11, AJL wrote:
    On 5/5/2026 2:51, Andy Burns wrote:
    AJL wrote:

    The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at 324. If that
    is correct it is definitely not a new battery.

    The 86% of original capacity suggests it's a likely a couple of
    years old

    Or older. Maybe third or forth hand? This from a search: The Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 was primarily released around 2018-2019, with
    production and support focusing on that era; it was succeeded by
    newer models like the Q509 and Q5010. Today, the Q508 is widely
    available only as a refurbished or secondhand device from dealers, particularly in Japan.

    Lots of problems but fun to play with. But I've got lots of time on
    my hands. I wouldn't suggest it for any serious stuff. Some of the
    current problems are listed here, more to be discovered soon I'm
    sure.

    The physical keyboard is annoying because the symbols are mostly
    wrong. For example to get an apostrophe I have to push the star key. Fortunately the on screen keyboard is correct and can be used when I
    give up trying to find the right symbol.

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours
    no matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode
    it does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

    The new problem was after the latest Windows update. The Memory
    Integrity switch turned off. It now complains the ACPI.sys driver is
    the cause.

    But for my nonsensitive uses it works fine as a recreational tablet.
    And it may just keep me on Usenet with this TB newsreader app. My
    Android newsreader PhoNews is becoming unusable as Android advances. Currently it is still working on my Amazon Fire tablet which uses an
    older fork of Android but Amazon could upgrade it at any time and
    spoil things...

    Right after posting this I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured
    maybe I could adjust a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in
    Japanese. I was lucky just to find the right buttons to get out... 8-O


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  • From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue May 5 21:36:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 05/05/2026 2:08 PM, AJL wrote:
    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable
    Tablet PC, 10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to
    2.4 GHz Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home (Renewed)
    Home (Renewed)

    Right after posting this I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured
    maybe I could adjust a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in
    Japanese. I was lucky just to find the right buttons to get out...

    Renewed was the keyword in the the spec statement.

    Fugitsu Stylistic Q508 in the reseller market is often sold in Japanese-Language configurations.

    A couple of things you might try to switch the UEFI/BIOS to English

    If the BIOS is in Japanese (often under Japanese layout settings), you
    can typically switch to English:
    Use the right arrow key (\(\rightarrow \)) to navigate to the Main
    (main) or Advanced (高度な) tab.
    Use the down arrow key (\(\downarrow \)) to find the option labeled
    Language or System Language (システム言語).
    Press Enter, then select English from the dropdown menu.Press F10 to
    save and exit, selecting Yes to confirm

    or while in the UEFI/BIOS
    Press F9 to load default BIOS settings, which often defaults to English,
    then press F10 to save.
    - Note: While the device is a touchscreen, physical keyboard
    navigation with arrow keys may be possible - the Enter, and F-keys may
    be more reliable within the UEFI/BIOS than touch or mouse.
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue May 5 22:44:05 2026
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    On 5/5/2026 6:36 PM, ....winston wrote:
    On 05/05/2026 2:08 PM, AJL wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
    10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
    Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
    (Renewed) Home (Renewed)

    I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured maybe I could adjust
    a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in Japanese. I was lucky
    just to find the right buttons to get out...

    Renewed was the keyword in the the spec statement. Fugitsu Stylistic
    Q508 in the reseller market is often sold in Japanese-Language configurations.

    Getting an old toy like this has actually been kinda fun...

    A couple of things you might try to switch the UEFI/BIOS to English
    If the BIOS is in Japanese (often under Japanese layout settings),
    you can typically switch to English: Use the right arrow key
    (\(\rightarrow \)) to navigate to the Main (main) or Advanced (高度な) tab. Use the down arrow key (\(\downarrow \)) to find the option
    labeled Language or System Language (システム言語). Press Enter, then select English from the dropdown menu.Press F10 to save and exit,
    selecting Yes to confirm

    This worked. The BIOS is now in English. Thanks. One thing I saw in my
    new English BIOS that I kinda liked was that it said the battery
    condition was good.

    Note: While the device is a touchscreen, physical keyboard navigation
    with arrow keys may be possible - the Enter, and F-keys may be more
    reliable within the UEFI/BIOS than touch or mouse.

    I had to use the keyboard as neither the touchscreen or mouse worked on
    the BIOS screen.

    -------

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
    tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
    I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
    and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

    Another interesting thing in Control Panel. It has a Backup and Restore
    Windows 7 section. Apparently that's what was on the device when new.
    But when opened it says it has not been set up. Darn...






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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 03:30:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Wed, 5/6/2026 1:44 AM, AJL wrote:
    On 5/5/2026 6:36 PM, ....winston wrote:
    On 05/05/2026 2:08 PM, AJL wrote:

    Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
    10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
    Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
    (Renewed) Home (Renewed)

    I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured maybe I could adjust
    a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in Japanese. I was lucky
    just to find the right buttons to get out...

    Renewed was the keyword in the the spec statement. Fugitsu Stylistic
    Q508 in the reseller market is often sold in Japanese-Language
    configurations.

    Getting an old toy like this has actually been kinda fun...

    A couple of things you might try to switch the UEFI/BIOS to English
    If the BIOS is in Japanese (often under Japanese layout settings),
    you can typically switch to English: Use the right arrow key
    (\(\rightarrow \)) to navigate to the Main (main) or Advanced (高度な)
    tab. Use the down arrow key (\(\downarrow \)) to find the option
    labeled Language or System Language (システム言語). Press Enter, then >> select English from the dropdown menu.Press F10 to save and exit,
    selecting Yes to confirm

    This worked. The BIOS is now in English. Thanks. One thing I saw in my
    new English BIOS that I kinda liked was that it said the battery
    condition was good.

    Note: While the device is a touchscreen, physical keyboard navigation
    with arrow keys may be possible - the Enter, and F-keys may be more
    reliable within the UEFI/BIOS than touch or mouse.

    I had to use the keyboard as neither the touchscreen or mouse worked on
    the BIOS screen.

    -------

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
    tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
    I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
    and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

    Another interesting thing in Control Panel. It has a Backup and Restore Windows 7 section. Apparently that's what was on the device when new.
    But when opened it says it has not been set up. Darn...

    Windows 7 backup is an included utility since... Windows 7.

    It has changed slightly since inception. For example, it originally
    output one partition per VHD file. Now it outputs one partition
    per VHDX file. The difference is, a VHD file has a 2.2TB limitation
    on size, whereas a VHDX handles things larger than 2.2TB. Maybe the
    limit is at least 500TB for the VHDX (while containers have larger
    nominal limits than that, there may be other limits that make
    more than 500TB an issue).

    The Windows 7 backup (so called), is not a general disk backup.
    You cannot say to it "back up all the partitions on this disk",
    in the same way an Acronis or a Macrium could do that. You
    cannot ask it to back up just the ESP partition, as it has
    a minimum set of partitions it wants to back up.

    Since you complain your thingy is not setup, there is a
    command line version of Windows 7 backup you can play with.
    The command line one is suited to one-off testing.

    The following command is a display of some of the options, and
    the command contains more parameters than is really needed.
    We know the backup folder is going onto partition F: .
    One of the volumes does not have a drive letter, and
    we're using an alternative identifier to grab that partition.
    The "allCritical" uses the GPT attribute to detect "things
    needed to boot the OS", and it can be used by itself (as long
    as the user knows what gets covered that way). Any qualifier which
    selects an item twice does no harm, as the partition only gets
    backed up once, so overspecifying the source doesn't hurt the
    process at all. The second command captures the essential
    partitions to make the machine boot (it would ignore your D: data partition
    as a data partition is not part of booting).

    # Admin terminal, for backup rights

    wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F: -include:Z:,N:,D:,\\?\Volume{ef618b33-36a8-4861-a549-b8a65dc9ecb9}\ -allCritical -quiet

    wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F: -allCritical -quiet # Your ESP, C:, and Recovery Partition perhaps

    So if you want to see the fur fly, you can experiment with the
    command and not bother setting up a schedule for it. Then you can
    drill down into the F: partition (in the example) and look
    at the folder structure of the backup

    But if your disk has two copies of Windows on it (a W10 C: and
    a W11 C: ), then it becomes a bit more difficult to tell the
    stupid thing to back up all the partitions. That's when
    you have to do the \\?\Volume{...}\ thing.

    When you're finished, there will be some number of VHDX partitions.
    Then you can check and see if the "Mount" command is available,
    to examine the contents. While 7ZIP can open a VHD file, it
    cannot open a VHDX.

    I would not throw away any backup scheme I already had,
    to be using "Windows 7 Backup". It's definitely an acquired
    taste, and some of the commercial backup programs are
    a bit easier to use.

    All backup schemes need to be tested. If I tell you to use Product X,
    you should not believe me that it works, you should back up and
    restore to a different disk and check that all steps worked as
    expected. I think I may have tested Restore on Windows 7 Backup,
    just the one time -- you can tell I'm a fan of Windows 7 Backup :-)
    But, Microsoft made it, and some people out there just love
    items like this ("because it was free").

    *******

    Here is a test run. D: is my scratch for stuff like this.

    PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:D: -allCritical -quiet
    wbadmin 1.0 - Backup command-line tool
    (C) Copyright Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    Retrieving volume information...
    This will back up (EFI System Partition),W11HOME(C:),(\\?\Volume{c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237}\) to D:
    The backup operation to D: is starting.
    Creating a shadow copy of the volumes specified for backup...
    Creating a shadow copy of the volumes specified for backup...
    Creating a backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (0%). Creating a backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (100%). Compacting the virtual hard disk for volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), completed (0%).
    The backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB) completed successfully. Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:), copied (4%).
    ...
    Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:), copied (96%).
    The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully.
    The backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully.
    Summary of the backup operation:
    ------------------

    The backup operation successfully completed.
    The backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB) completed successfully. The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully.
    The backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully. <=== Recovery Partition has no letter or label
    Log of files successfully backed up: C:\WINDOWS\Logs\WindowsBackup\Backup-06-05-2026_07-11-01.log

    0bd6166a-0836-4041-891c-792df2c72abd.vhdx 76,703,334,400 bytes (71 GiB) C: partition
    c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237.vhdx 838,860,800 bytes (800 MiB) Recovery Partition
    Esp.vhdx 109,051,904 bytes (104 MiB) EFI System Partition

    When I selected "Mount" as the option for the first partition,
    a dialog warned me of this or that. But that's because it
    wants you to open Disk Management and finish the job. You have to
    assign a drive letter to the virtual C: and I set it to K: before
    viewing it "for authenticity". You can detach K: from Disk Management as well (click the left-most drive box, for access to a detach-item).

    Paul
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 14:38:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    [...]

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
    does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

    Shutting down or hibernating?

    Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
    'new' Settings thingy?

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
    advanced power settings

    You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section,
    specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
    'Hibernate after' is missing.

    Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
    action' and 'Critical battery action'.

    [...]

    From another response of yours:

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
    tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
    I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
    and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
    the power button does

    The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut
    down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the
    bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behaviour than in
    Settings).

    HTH.
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 09:16:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/6/2026 12:30, Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 5/6/2026 1:44 AM, AJL wrote:

    Another interesting thing in Control Panel. It has a Backup and
    Restore Windows 7 section. Apparently that's what was on the device
    when new. But when opened it says it has not been set up. Darn...

    Windows 7 backup is an included utility since... Windows 7. It has
    changed slightly since inception. For example, it originally output
    one partition per VHD file. Now it outputs one partition per VHDX
    file. The difference is, a VHD file has a 2.2TB limitation on size,
    whereas a VHDX handles things larger than 2.2TB. Maybe the limit is
    at least 500TB for the VHDX (while containers have larger nominal
    limits than that, there may be other limits that make more than
    500TB an issue). The Windows 7 backup (so called), is not a general
    disk backup. You cannot say to it "back up all the partitions on
    this disk", in the same way an Acronis or a Macrium could do that.
    You cannot ask it to back up just the ESP partition, as it has a
    minimum set of partitions it wants to back up.


    Since you complain your thingy is not setup, there is a command line
    version of Windows 7 backup you can play with. The command line one
    is suited to one-off testing.

    I was joking. Guess I'm gonna have to start using more smileys. Trouble
    is I can't figure out how to make one on this screwed up keyboard...


    The following command is a display of some of the options, and the
    command contains more parameters than is really needed. We know the
    backup folder is going onto partition F: . One of the volumes does
    not have a drive letter, and we're using an alternative identifier to
    grab that partition. The "allCritical" uses the GPT attribute to
    detect "things needed to boot the OS", and it can be used by itself
    (as long as the user knows what gets covered that way). Any qualifier
    which selects an item twice does no harm, as the partition only gets
    backed up once, so overspecifying the source doesn't hurt the process
    at all. The second command captures the essential partitions to make
    the machine boot (it would ignore your D: data partition as a data
    partition is not part of booting). # Admin terminal, for backup
    rights wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F: -include:Z:,N:,D:,\\?\Volume{ef618b33-36a8-4861-a549-b8a65dc9ecb9}\ -allCritical -quiet wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F:
    -allCritical -quiet # Your ESP, C:, and Recovery Partition
    perhaps So if you want to see the fur fly, you can experiment with
    the command and not bother setting up a schedule for it. Then you can
    drill down into the F: partition (in the example) and look at the
    folder structure of the backup But if your disk has two copies of
    Windows on it (a W10 C: and a W11 C: ), then it becomes a bit more
    difficult to tell the stupid thing to back up all the partitions.
    That's when you have to do the \\?\Volume{...}\ thing. When you're
    finished, there will be some number of VHDX partitions. Then you can
    check and see if the "Mount" command is available, to examine the
    contents. While 7ZIP can open a VHD file, it cannot open a VHDX. I
    would not throw away any backup scheme I already had, to be using
    "Windows 7 Backup". It's definitely an acquired taste, and some of
    the commercial backup programs are a bit easier to use. All backup
    schemes need to be tested. If I tell you to use Product X, you
    should not believe me that it works, you should back up and restore
    to a different disk and check that all steps worked as expected. I
    think I may have tested Restore on Windows 7 Backup, just the one
    time -- you can tell I'm a fan of Windows 7 Backup :-) But, Microsoft
    made it, and some people out there just love items like this
    ("because it was free"). ******* Here is a test run. D: is my scratch
    for stuff like this. PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:D: -allCritical -quiet wbadmin 1.0 - Backup
    command-line tool (C) Copyright Microsoft Corporation. All rights
    reserved. Retrieving volume information... This will back up (EFI
    System Partition),W11HOME(C:),(\\?\Volume{c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237}\
    to D: The backup operation to D: is starting. Creating a shadow copy
    of the volumes specified for backup... Creating a shadow copy of the
    volumes specified for backup... Creating a backup of volume (EFI
    System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (0%). Creating a backup of
    volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (100%). Compacting
    the virtual hard disk for volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB),
    completed (0%). The backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00
    MB) completed successfully. Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:),
    copied (4%). ... Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:), copied
    (96%). The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully. The
    backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully. Summary of the
    backup operation: ------------------ The backup operation
    successfully completed. The backup of volume (EFI System Partition)
    (100.00 MB) completed successfully. The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully. The backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully. <=== Recovery Partition has no letter or label Log
    of files successfully backed up: C:\WINDOWS\Logs\WindowsBackup\Backup-06-05-2026_07-11-01.log 0bd6166a-0836-4041-891c-792df2c72abd.vhdx 76,703,334,400 bytes (71
    GiB) C: partition c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237.vhdx
    838,860,800 bytes (800 MiB) Recovery Partition Esp.vhdx
    109,051,904 bytes (104 MiB) EFI System Partition When I selected
    "Mount" as the option for the first partition, a dialog warned me of
    this or that. But that's because it wants you to open Disk Management
    and finish the job. You have to assign a drive letter to the virtual
    C: and I set it to K: before viewing it "for authenticity". You can
    detach K: from Disk Management as well (click the left-most drive
    box, for access to a detach-item).

    Paul

    Thanks but I think I have enough stuff to keep me busy on this toy right
    now. And BTW did I mention that I only have 25GB free storage on this
    thing. I could be wrong (being a non-techie that probably couldn't get
    the above to work anyway) but that stuff looks like it could really suck
    up a bit of it?


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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 09:16:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/6/2026 7:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no
    matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
    does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

    Shutting down or hibernating?

    It's not hibernating or sleeping. And actually I 'm not sure if it's
    shutting down for sure. When I hit the physical switch my lock screen
    pops up instantly but after I enter the pin it takes about 25 seconds to
    load and when finished all my apps have been closed and I'm starting
    from scratch. What do you think?

    Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
    'new' Settings thingy?

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
    advanced power settings

    You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section, specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
    'Hibernate after' is missing.

    'Hibernate after' is missing from both these places:

    Control Panel - Hardware and Sound - Power options - Edit plan settings

    (However I did add the Hibernate button to the Start Screen Power Menu
    here by using Change plan settings that are currently unavailable.)

    And

    Settings - System - Power and Battery - Plugged in and On battery

    Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
    action' and 'Critical battery action'.

    Where's that?

    From another response of yours:

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
    tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
    I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
    and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
    the power button does

    All are set to sleep...

    The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut
    down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behavior than in
    Settings).

    HTH.


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 12:50:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Wed, 5/6/2026 10:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    [...]

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no
    matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
    does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

    Shutting down or hibernating?

    Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
    'new' Settings thingy?

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
    advanced power settings

    You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section, specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
    'Hibernate after' is missing.

    Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
    action' and 'Critical battery action'.

    [...]

    From another response of yours:

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
    tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
    I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
    and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
    the power button does

    The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut
    down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behaviour than in
    Settings).

    HTH.


    A W11 picture of some power stuff.

    [Picture] Win11-power-places.gif

    https://imgur.com/a/TzTzJlC <=== a moderately miserable picture site

    https://postimg.cc/VJ9ZTNHz <=== more scummy site, listed second :-)

    Pretty funny. I went to https://postimages.org/ just now
    and on the right sidebar, a scam "virus detected" box appears.
    A new low for the fuckers :-) According to the dialog box, the
    virus was detected by "Google", you know, that famous in-box
    virus detection company :-) snarf.

    Paul
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 13:15:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Wed, 5/6/2026 12:16 PM, AJL wrote:

    Thanks but I think I have enough stuff to keep me busy on this toy right
    now. And BTW did I mention that I only have 25GB free storage on this thing. I could be wrong (being a non-techie that probably couldn't get the above to work anyway) but that stuff looks like it could really suck up a bit of it?

    You would have to see whether it support over-the-network backups,
    at a guess. Alternately, if your device has a USB3 port, a
    disk enclosure could be temporarily attached, preferably a
    disk enclosure with its own power source.

    I have some enclosures that are wall-powered, and they take
    3.5" or 2.5" devices. The wall adapter is the standard
    12V @ 2A kind for the job. Using such devices, does not draw
    bus power from the machine doing the backup, which is the
    advantage of a wall-powered backup device.

    The Windows 7 Backup is fast (as the output is to a container
    and it does not look like any checksums are involved). I traced
    burst transfers of 900MB/sec to my storage device. It can't go
    much faster than that here, as my C: only does 500MB/sec. I haven't
    tested backing up an NVMe as a source, just to see how fast it can go.

    Whereas a Macrium tops out at 300-350MB/sec or so, due to it
    generating checksums on the fly. I don't know if the
    Windows 7 Backup even has a Verify command :-)

    Paul



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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 18:37:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 5/6/2026 7:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no >> matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
    does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

    Shutting down or hibernating?

    It's not hibernating or sleeping. And actually I 'm not sure if it's shutting down for sure. When I hit the physical switch my lock screen
    pops up instantly but after I enter the pin it takes about 25 seconds to load and when finished all my apps have been closed and I'm starting
    from scratch. What do you think?

    Strange! If you get a lock screen (i.e. not a BIOS or whatever
    screen), Windows is up. As your apps are closed and you have to start
    from scratch, it looks like you have been logged off. But who or what
    would do that after a few hours.

    Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
    'new' Settings thingy?

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
    advanced power settings

    You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section, specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
    'Hibernate after' is missing.

    'Hibernate after' is missing from both these places:

    Control Panel - Hardware and Sound - Power options - Edit plan settings

    It seems you didn't go 'deep' enough. After 'Edit plan settings' (mine
    says 'Change plan settings'. UK/US difference?) you get a screen which
    says 'Change settings for the plan: ....' with settings for display and
    sleep. *Below* those settings is a 'Change advanced power settings'
    link, which pops up the 'Power Options' UI. (Again, perhaps in your case
    'Edit' instead of 'Change').

    N.B. I don't post screenshots to picture sites, so I stole an example
    from the web. You're looking for a 'Power Options' UI/popup which looks
    similar to this picture:

    <https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/58e1b0cd-7b0f-4be9-b2ed-f51ffad7db6c?platform=QnA>

    (However I did add the Hibernate button to the Start Screen Power Menu
    here by using Change plan settings that are currently unavailable.)

    And

    Settings - System - Power and Battery - Plugged in and On battery

    Yes, that's 'normal'. Hibernate is lacking from that screen (i.e. the
    screen is lying ("Screen, sleep and hibernate time-outs")). That's why I pointed you to the 'Power Options' UI/applet/popup/<whatever>. (Another Microsoft confusion of having two places (in Control Panel) called
    'Power Options'! :-()

    Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
    action' and 'Critical battery action'.

    Where's that?

    In the 'Power Options' UI, which you didn't find/get_to.

    From another response of yours:

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
    tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But >> I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
    and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
    the power button does

    All are set to sleep...

    Well, then something is lying, isn't it!? :-)

    The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behavior than in
    Settings).

    HTH.
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 11:41:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/6/2026 10:15, Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 5/6/2026 12:16 PM, AJL wrote:

    Thanks but I think I have enough stuff to keep me busy on this toy
    right now. And BTW did I mention that I only have 25GB free storage
    on this thing. I could be wrong (being a non-techie that probably
    couldn't get the above to work anyway) but that stuff looks like it
    could really suck up a bit of it?

    You would have to see whether it supports over-the-network backups,
    at a guess. Alternately, if your device has a USB3 port, a disk
    enclosure could be temporarily attached, preferably a disk enclosure
    with its own power source.

    It does have a USB port. I use it to plug in my light over the unlit
    keyboard.

    I have some enclosures that are wall-powered, and they take 3.5" or
    2.5" devices. The wall adapter is the standard 12V @ 2A kind for the
    job. Using such devices, does not draw bus power from the machine
    doing the backup, which is the advantage of a wall-powered backup
    device. The Windows 7 Backup is fast (as the output is to a
    container and it does not look like any checksums are involved). I
    traced burst transfers of 900MB/sec to my storage device. It can't
    go much faster than that here, as my C: only does 500MB/sec. I
    haven't tested backing up an NVMe as a source, just to see how fast
    it can go. Whereas a Macrium tops out at 300-350MB/sec or so, due to
    it generating checksums on the fly. I don't know if the Windows 7
    Backup even has a Verify command :-)

    Thanks. But again that info is way way over my pay grade...

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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 11:41:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/6/2026 9:50, Paul wrote:

    A W11 picture of some power stuff.

    [Picture] Win11-power-places.gif

    https://imgur.com/a/TzTzJlC <=== a moderately miserable picture
    site

    https://postimg.cc/VJ9ZTNHz <=== more scummy site, listed second
    :-)

    That says System-Power. Mine says System-Power & Battery. And mine has
    no such power button setting.

    Pretty funny. I went to https://postimages.org/ just now and on
    the right sidebar, a scam "virus detected" box appears. A new low
    for the fuckers :-) According to the dialog box, the virus was
    detected by "Google", you know, that famous in-box virus detection
    company :-) snarf.

    Yup. My Chromebook had a cow with that link but this tablet didn't seem
    to care...

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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed May 6 12:16:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/6/2026 11:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few
    hours no matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in
    tablet mode it does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile
    and stays on. Weird...

    Shutting down or hibernating?

    It's not hibernating or sleeping. And actually I 'm not sure if
    it's shutting down for sure. When I hit the physical switch my
    lock screen pops up instantly but after I enter the pin it takes
    about 25 seconds to load and when finished all my apps have been
    closed and I'm starting from scratch. What do you think?

    Strange! If you get a lock screen (i.e. not a BIOS or whatever
    screen), Windows is up. As your apps are closed and you have to start
    from scratch, it looks like you have been logged off. But who or what
    would do that after a few hours.

    Yup. And so far I've found no setting to change it.

    It seems you didn't go 'deep' enough. After 'Edit plan settings'
    (mine says 'Change plan settings'. UK/US difference?) you get a
    screen which says 'Change settings for the plan: ....' with settings
    for display and sleep. *Below* those settings is a 'Change advanced
    power settings' link, which pops up the 'Power Options' UI. (Again,
    perhaps in your case 'Edit' instead of 'Change').

    Not that I can find on this toy.

    N.B. I don't post screenshots to picture sites, so I stole an example
    from the web. You're looking for a 'Power Options' UI/popup which
    looks similar to this picture: <https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/58e1b0cd-7b0f-4be9-b2ed-f51ffad7db6c?platform=QnA>

    Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
    action' and 'Critical battery action'.

    Where's that?

    In the 'Power Options' UI, which you didn't find/get_to.

    It's not there.

    From another response of yours:

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down
    the tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to
    sleep. But I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows
    Start screen and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for
    now.

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
    the power button does

    All are set to sleep...

    Well, then something is lying, isn't it!? :-)

    I'm guessing the Japanese may have changed more than the screwed up
    keyboard on this thing. Or perhaps being a many year old device changes
    how Windows works with it. In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I
    don't want too much fun all at once with new toys. Thanks...
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu May 7 15:26:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 5/6/2026 11:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    [...]

    It seems you didn't go 'deep' enough. After 'Edit plan settings'
    (mine says 'Change plan settings'. UK/US difference?) you get a
    screen which says 'Change settings for the plan: ....' with settings
    for display and sleep. *Below* those settings is a 'Change advanced
    power settings' link, which pops up the 'Power Options' UI. (Again,
    perhaps in your case 'Edit' instead of 'Change').

    Not that I can find on this toy.

    See this example which I stole from the web:

    <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaDXGozcZRhcZ3RKh9PSBK-970-80.jpg.webp>

    You probably have to enlarge it a bit in order to be able to read the
    text, but it shows where the "Change advanced power settings" link is.
    And when you click on that link, it will popup the 'Power Options' UI
    which is shown on the right.

    [...]

    From another response of yours:

    As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down
    the tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to
    sleep. But I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows
    Start screen and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for
    now.

    Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
    the power button does

    All are set to sleep...

    Well, then something is lying, isn't it!? :-)

    I'm guessing the Japanese may have changed more than the screwed up
    keyboard on this thing. Or perhaps being a many year old device changes
    how Windows works with it.

    Well, this Control Panel stuff is at least as old as Vista and
    probably as old as XP (or even before), so we're talking 20++ year old
    stuff.

    In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I
    don't want too much fun all at once with new toys. Thanks...

    Fair enough. You have a way to let it sleep and if the unexpected log
    off doesn't bother you too much, good on you.
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  • From AJL@noemail@none.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu May 7 10:02:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/7/2026 8:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    See this example which I stole from the web: <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaDXGozcZRhcZ3RKh9PSBK-970-80.jpg.webp>

    Yup. I've got that Power Options Advanced Settings. But there's nothing
    on mine that has anything to do with startup.

    Well, this Control Panel stuff is at least as old as Vista and
    probably as old as XP (or even before), so we're talking 20++ year
    old stuff.

    I've always used Control Panel to turn on hibernate on a new Windows
    device. There are probably other ways to do it but that was the way I remembered it and so did it on this toy.

    In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I don't want too much fun
    all at once with new toys. Thanks...

    Fair enough. You have a way to let it sleep and if the unexpected
    log off doesn't bother you too much, good on you.

    I solved it by just using hibernate instead of sleep on turn-off. Now
    all my stuff is right where I left it on turn-on. The bad news is that
    it costs me an extra (gasp) 20 or so seconds of my life. The good news
    is I don't have to worry as much about the battery between sessions.

    More good news, I'm learning the physical keyboard keys. Good old age
    memory training. Example: For an apostrophe I push star. And as a
    Windows tablet this has been IMO superior to my past much more expensive
    (and now given away) toys. Better screen, more comfortable to hold, runs
    MUCH cooler, and more responsive. Consider that my review...

    And thanks to ALL for your help...


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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu May 7 17:39:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
    On 5/7/2026 8:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

    See this example which I stole from the web: <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaDXGozcZRhcZ3RKh9PSBK-970-80.jpg.webp>

    Yup. I've got that Power Options Advanced Settings. But there's nothing
    on mine that has anything to do with startup.

    Ah, that explains the confusion. At that point in the troubleshooting,
    we were looking for (Sleep ->) 'Hibernate after' and the (Battery ->)
    'Low battery action' and 'Critical battery action' to see if it was
    hibernating or shutting down when it went 'down'. So indeed nothing to
    do with startup.

    [...]

    In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I don't want too much fun
    all at once with new toys. Thanks...

    Fair enough. You have a way to let it sleep and if the unexpected
    log off doesn't bother you too much, good on you.

    I solved it by just using hibernate instead of sleep on turn-off. Now
    all my stuff is right where I left it on turn-on.

    Strange that set to Sleep made it shut down, but set to Hibernate, it
    does what you want! I guess that's the Japanese way to do things! :-)

    Anyway, problem solved.

    The bad news is that
    it costs me an extra (gasp) 20 or so seconds of my life.

    Perhaps you could do some mindfulness exercises during that time,

    The good news
    is I don't have to worry as much about the battery between sessions.

    Yes, my laptop is set to sleep (Modern Standby) with hibernate when
    sleep consumes too much battery (Adaptive hibernate) and hibernate if
    the battery gets too low.

    With those setting, I normally get from one Windows Update cycle to
    the next without shutting down and restarting. (Except for this
    !@#$%^&*()_+ April cycle where Microsoft fscked up multiple things which
    worked perfectly fine for 20++ years! :-()

    More good news, I'm learning the physical keyboard keys. Good old age
    memory training. Example: For an apostrophe I push star. And as a
    Windows tablet this has been IMO superior to my past much more expensive
    (and now given away) toys. Better screen, more comfortable to hold, runs
    MUCH cooler, and more responsive. Consider that my review...

    Good on you!

    And thanks to ALL for your help...

    You're welcome, as always.
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