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Can we appreciate how even though this is a proton video, they
show SEVERAL vpns and email services that are not proton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8clVdaRKA
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On 5/20/26 2:34 PM, Anne Frank wrote:

Can we appreciate how even though this is a proton video, they
show SEVERAL vpns and email services that are not proton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8clVdaRKA

Interesting. Feeds the paranoid individuals. Maybe even others.

But seeing as how huge Google is, and all the little fingers it has in the pie, it's hard
to think you could get around without it. Maybe you could slow it down, but?????
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Alan K.
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Alan K. wrote:

it's hard to think you could get around without it.

An Android phone works just fine without a Google account on it.
Just as a Microsoft Windows device works fine without the MSA.
It's only Apple iOS which requires a mothership account to work.

And yes, I've set up an iPad w/o the mothership account, but
you can't install software on the device without it.

Note that every other platform, including Android, can install
apps (yes, even from Google Play) without the mothership account.

Just Apple products can't do it.
Ever wonder why?
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Paradoxically, the platform with the least privacy is Apple's iOS.
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On Wed, 20 May 2026 14:41:36 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

it's hard to think you could get around without it.

An Android phone works just fine without a Google account on it.

Yes, but many apps relies too much on Google services. They basically help Google on tracking users. Either not knowing it, or don't care about it.

Same goes to websites which use Google services, or use Google hosted
scripts and resources.
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On 20 May 2026, Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> posted some news:10ul6a2$1h67$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com:

Alan K. wrote:

it's hard to think you could get around without it.

An Android phone works just fine without a Google account on it.
Just as a Microsoft Windows device works fine without the MSA.
It's only Apple iOS which requires a mothership account to work.

And yes, I've set up an iPad w/o the mothership account, but
you can't install software on the device without it.

Put Linux on it. Does it have a SIM slot? I have a industrial Android
tablet with a SIM slot that can make and receive calls. Awkward but it
works. The only problem is you can't upgrade the OS.

Note that every other platform, including Android, can install
apps (yes, even from Google Play) without the mothership account.

Just Apple products can't do it.
Ever wonder why?

Ha! Apple was going nuts in the BBS days. Apple software was all over
the BBS communities - the problem was most of it was infected with some
kind of malware. Rumor had it Apple was intentionally uploading crippled software to discourage downloads and installs. People did it anyway.
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JJ wrote:

On Wed, 20 May 2026 14:41:36 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

it's hard to think you could get around without it.

An Android phone works just fine without a Google account on it.

Yes, but many apps relies too much on Google services. They basically help Google on tracking users. Either not knowing it, or don't care about it.

Same goes to websites which use Google services, or use Google hosted
scripts and resources.

The problem with iOS is that privacy is impossible.
But it's possible on Android, if you know what you're doing.

Since I control the Android from the PC, I also control the packages which
are installed or removed from the phone, using the PC keyboard to do it.

However... I removed one too many packages last week.

Given it seems many people may be afraid of debloating, for fear of
removing something important or useful and they won't be able to recover, here's just one example of me debloating one SYSTEM package too far.

I removed about 400 Android SYSTEM packages (see list below).

One of them was com.samsung.android.app.clockpack
adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.clockpack

What happened was when my screen blanked and I re-opened it, I used to get
a big fat clock, but now I get nothing but the homescreen (I have no PIN).

Yet, to bring it back, all I had to do was put it back, since system
packages usually can't be fully removed in an unrootable USA Samsung.
adb shell pm install-existing com.samsung.android.app.clockpack

Voila!
The clock is back.

It's that easy.

Below is a list of over 400 SYSTEM packages that I removed in debloating. (Having to put back just one of them isn't too bad of a penalty to pay.)

adb shell pm list packages -s -u
package:com.sec.android.RilServiceModeApp
package:com.samsung.oda.service
package:com.sec.android.provider.emergencymode package:com.google.android.overlay.modules.permissioncontroller.forframework package:com.sec.android.iaft package:com.samsung.android.app.telephonyui.esimclient package:com.samsung.android.vtcamerasettings
package:com.samsung.android.dsms
package:com.android.dreams.phototable
package:com.samsung.android.mcfds
package:com.samsung.android.smartface.overlay package:com.samsung.android.knox.kpecore package:com.samsung.internal.systemui.navbar.sec_gestural_no_hint package:com.android.companiondevicemanager
package:com.android.cts.priv.ctsshim
package:com.samsung.android.app.spage
package:com.samsung.android.lool
package:com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby package:com.android.providers.downloads
package:com.sec.android.app.parser
package:com.android.bluetoothmidiservice
package:com.facebook.appmanager package:com.google.android.printservice.recommendation package:com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder
package:com.sec.facatfunction
package:com.google.android.captiveportallogin package:com.google.android.networkstack
package:com.android.keychain
package:com.google.android.overlay.gmsconfig.asi package:com.sec.android.app.DataCreate
package:com.samsung.ipservice
package:com.sprint.ms.cdm
package:com.android.shell
package:com.samsung.android.accessibility.talkback package:com.google.android.ondevicepersonalization.services package:com.sec.android.app.magnifier
package:com.android.bookmarkprovider package:com.samsung.android.wifi.softapwpathree.resources package:com.samsung.android.app.contacts package:com.samsung.android.samsungpass
package:com.osp.app.signin
package:com.android.sharedstoragebackup
package:com.android.providers.media
package:com.android.providers.calendar package:com.android.providers.blockednumber package:com.google.android.documentsui package:com.samsung.android.knox.attestation
package:com.knox.vpn.proxyhandler
package:com.samsung.android.smartcallprovider
package:com.sec.bcservice
package:com.android.proxyhandler
package:com.samsung.app.newtrim package:com.google.android.overlay.modules.permissioncontroller package:com.android.emergency
package:com.google.android.gms.location.history package:com.samsung.android.peripheral.framework package:com.sec.android.app.setupwizardlegalprovider package:com.google.android.gm
package:com.android.carrierdefaultapp
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package:com.google.android.apps.tachyon
package:com.hiya.star
package:com.android.mtp
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package:com.android.wallpapercropper
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package:com.google.android.sdksandbox package:com.google.android.cellbroadcastservice package:com.android.internal.systemui.navbar.threebutton package:com.android.egg
package:com.samsung.android.wifi.softap.resources package:com.samsung.android.aircommandmanager package:com.samsung.android.networkstack package:com.google.android.overlay.modules.modulemetadata.forframework package:com.samsung.android.callbgprovider package:com.sec.android.easyMover.Agent
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package:com.sec.epdg
package:com.samsung.android.bluelightfilter package:com.samsung.android.smartsuggestions
package:com.sprint.ce.updater
package:com.samsung.android.wcmurlsnetworkstack package:com.google.android.packageinstaller
package:com.android.se
package:com.samsung.android.app.clockpack
package:com.sec.hiddenmenu
package:com.sec.location.nfwlocationprivacy
package:com.android.stk
package:com.samsung.android.mdx.quickboard package:com.sec.android.app.hwmoduletest
package:com.android.bips
package:com.google.android.partnersetup package:com.google.android.projection.gearhead package:com.sprint.ms.smf.services
package:com.mediatek.systemuiresoverlay package:com.sec.android.emergencylauncher package:com.google.android.apps.carrier.carrierwifi package:com.sec.android.easyonehand package:com.samsung.android.setting.multisound package:com.samsung.android.networkstack.tethering.overlay package:com.google.android.feedback
package:com.sec.unifiedwfc
package:com.samsung.android.app.taskedge package:com.sec.android.smartfpsadjuster package:com.samsung.android.dck.timesync package:com.sec.android.widgetapp.easymodecontactswidget package:com.sec.android.provider.badge
package:com.sec.android.app.camera
package:com.samsung.android.honeyboard
package:com.samsung.safetyinformation package:com.android.providers.downloads.ui
package:com.android.ons package:com.google.android.networkstack.tethering.overlay package:com.google.android.nearby.halfsheet package:com.sec.android.app.setupwizard package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.fileshare package:com.samsung.sec.android.application.csc package:com.google.android.setupwizard
package:com.sec.mhs.smarttethering
package:com.android.wifi.resources
package:com.sprint.w.installer
package:com.samsung.cmfa.AuthTouch
package:com.android.simappdialog
package:com.android.wallpaper.livepicker package:com.samsung.android.dynamiclock package:com.android.internal.display.cutout.emulation.waterfall package:com.sec.app.RilErrorNotifier package:com.samsung.android.privacydashboard package:com.google.android.overlay.modules.ext.services
package:com.sec.phone
package:com.samsung.android.location
package:com.android.traceur
package:com.samsung.android.app.routines
package:com.samsung.android.dialer package:com.samsung.android.samsungpassautofill
package:com.samsung.ims.smk
package:com.android.location.fused
package:com.sec.android.app.wlantest package:com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox package:com.google.android.modulemetadata
package:com.sec.hearingadjust
package:com.samsung.android.knox.containercore package:com.google.android.ext.services package:com.google.android.configupdater
package:com.samsung.android.forest
package:com.sec.factory.cameralyzer
package:com.samsung.android.messaging package:com.google.android.gms.supervision
package:com.samsung.ssu
package:com.samsung.android.smartmirroring
package:com.samsung.android.authfw
package:com.samsung.android.ipsgeofence package:com.android.internal.display.cutout.emulation.corner package:com.google.android.gms
package:com.sec.android.app.soundalive
package:com.tmobile.pr.mytmobile
package:com.android.printspooler package:com.samsung.android.service.peoplestripe package:com.samsung.adaptivebrightnessgo
package:com.samsung.klmsagent
package:com.facebook.system
package:com.google.mainline.telemetry
package:com.samsung.android.hdmapp
package:com.samsung.android.ardrawing
package:com.sec.android.app.billing
package:com.samsung.android.mdx.kit
package:com.samsung.android.app.dofviewer package:com.samsung.android.da.daagent
package:com.test.LTEfunctionality
package:com.android.externalstorage
package:com.samsung.unifiedtp
package:com.samsung.android.cmfa.framework
package:com.android.server.telecom package:com.google.audio.hearing.visualization.accessibility.scribe package:com.samsung.android.wifi.resources package:com.google.android.providers.media.module package:com.samsung.android.svcagent
package:com.sec.android.gallery3d package:com.samsung.android.widget.pictureframe
package:com.sec.imslogger
package:com.sec.automation
package:com.mediatek.MtkSettingsResOverlay package:com.sec.android.app.servicemodeapp
package:com.sec.omadmspr
package:com.samsung.android.calendar
package:com.wssyncmldm
package:com.sec.enterprise.mdm.services.simpin package:com.samsung.android.inputshare
package:com.android.calllogbackup
package:com.samsung.android.providers.factory package:com.google.android.overlay.modules.cellbroadcastreceiver package:com.sec.android.app.samsungapps package:com.samsung.android.app.appsedge
package:com.sec.android.diagmonagent
package:com.sec.android.autodoodle.service package:com.sec.providers.assisteddialing
package:com.android.dreams.basic
package:com.android.mms.service package:com.google.android.cellbroadcastreceiver package:com.snap.camerakit.plugin.v1 package:com.samsung.sec.android.teegris.tui_service
package:com.sec.imsservice
package:com.samsung.android.net.wifi.wifiguider package:com.samsung.android.app.sharelive package:com.samsung.android.localeoverlaymanager package:com.google.android.adservices.api
package:com.samsung.android.spayfw
package:com.samsung.android.themestore
package:com.android.inputdevices
package:com.samsung.android.incallui package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.mediashare package:com.mediatek.FrameworkResOverlayExt
package:com.sec.sve
package:com.google.android.onetimeinitializer package:com.google.android.permissioncontroller
package:com.android.apps.tag
package:com.samsung.InputEventApp package:com.mediatek.SettingsProviderResOverlay package:com.samsung.android.sdk.handwriting
package:com.sec.android.sdhms
package:com.mediatek.apmonitor package:com.google.android.overlay.modules.documentsui package:com.mtk.android.networkstack.tethering.overlay package:com.samsung.android.networkdiagnostic
package:com.mediatek
package:com.android.managedprovisioning package:com.mtk.android.networkstack.tethering.inprocess.overlay package:com.sec.android.app.launcher
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package:com.samsung.android.beaconmanager package:com.samsung.android.appseparation package:com.google.mainline.adservices package:com.samsung.android.app.cocktailbarservice package:com.samsung.android.privateshare package:com.monotype.android.font.samsungone
package:com.samsung.android.video
package:com.samsung.android.audiomirroring
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package:com.samsung.android.app.soundpicker package:com.samsung.clipboardsaveservice package:com.samsung.android.app.omcagent
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Yamn2 Remailer wrote:

And yes, I've set up an iPad w/o the mothership account, but
you can't install software on the device without it.

Put Linux on it. Does it have a SIM slot? I have a industrial Android tablet with a SIM slot that can make and receive calls. Awkward but it works. The only problem is you can't upgrade the OS.

Andronix (Linux distros on Android without needed to be rooted)
<https://andronix.app/>

Note that every other platform, including Android, can install
apps (yes, even from Google Play) without the mothership account.

Just Apple products can't do it.
Ever wonder why?

Ha! Apple was going nuts in the BBS days. Apple software was all over
the BBS communities - the problem was most of it was infected with some
kind of malware. Rumor had it Apple was intentionally uploading crippled software to discourage downloads and installs. People did it anyway.

There's nothing iOS does (other than SMB port 445) that Android doesn't do.
Yet there's tons that Android does that iOS can't do.

Take just the case of the official Tor privacy browser.
Why is iOS the only platform people aren't allowed that privacy?

And yet, there's no added privacy or security with iOS over Android.
What does that tell us?

HINT: Apple didn't lock up iOS for privacy or security after all.
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Maria Sophia wrote:

JJ wrote:

On Wed, 20 May 2026 14:41:36 -0600, Maria Sophia wrote:

Alan K. wrote:

it's hard to think you could get around without it.

An Android phone works just fine without a Google account on it.

Yes, but many apps relies too much on Google services. They

basically help

Google on tracking users. Either not knowing it, or don't care

about it.

Same goes to websites which use Google services, or use Google

hosted

scripts and resources.

The problem with iOS is that privacy is impossible.
But it's possible on Android, if you know what you're doing.

Since I control the Android from the PC, I also control the packages

which

are installed or removed from the phone, using the PC keyboard to do

it.

However... I removed one too many packages last week.

Given it seems many people may be afraid of debloating, for fear of
removing something important or useful and they won't be able to

recover,

here's just one example of me debloating one SYSTEM package too far.

I removed about 400 Android SYSTEM packages (see list below).

One of them was com.samsung.android.app.clockpack
adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.samsung.android.app.clockpack

What happened was when my screen blanked and I re-opened it, I used

to get

a big fat clock, but now I get nothing but the homescreen (I have no

PIN).

Yet, to bring it back, all I had to do was put it back, since system
packages usually can't be fully removed in an unrootable USA

Samsung.

adb shell pm install-existing com.samsung.android.app.clockpack

Voila!
The clock is back.

It's that easy.

Below is a list of over 400 SYSTEM packages that I removed in

debloating.

(Having to put back just one of them isn't too bad of a penalty to

pay.)

adb shell pm list packages -s -u

Is this the shell you're using? Looks interesting. I'll have to try
that on BlueStacks before I chance ruining my phone lol!

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.standardadb&hl=en_US>

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anonymous wrote:

Is this the shell you're using? Looks interesting. I'll have to try
that on BlueStacks before I chance ruining my phone lol!

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.standardadb&hl=en_US>

I have no idea what *that* app is but it's not what most people are using.
The Foss ADB gives full control of your Android device from the desktop pc.

The FOSS adb shell works on Windows, Linux & macOS. https://developer.android.com/tools/releases/platform-tools

Windows:
https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-windows.zip Linux:
https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-linux.zip macOS:
https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-darwin.zip

There are local adb (ladb) apps, which work only on the device,
but first get the desktop version to work before attempting fancy things.
<https://github.com/tytydraco/LADB>
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