• Destiny of the Daleks [Review]

    From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.arts.drwho,alt.drwho on Sat Sep 5 16:55:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho


    Into Season 17 and "Doctor Who" had a new script editor
    on board, Mr Douglas Adams... and his handiwork would
    be all over this season.

    The opening TARDIS scene is memorable, for the wrong reasons,
    as Romana decides that for her regeneration 'outfit' she would
    like to wear the outer form of Princess Astra (from the previous
    story). The Doctor declares you can't wear somebody else's body,
    so Romana decides to try on a variety of other forms; small, big
    and (This is REALLY funny <rolls eyes> ) one that has clothes
    that resemble the Fourth Doctor's trademark outfit, big hat and
    scarf... the Doctor likes it, but it turns out this was Romana
    in the Princes Astra body again... so, to cut a long story
    short, this now becomes Romana's new form.

    Also in the TARDIS, K9 is being repaired, he has laryngitis...
    which was handy as John Leeson had left the show at the end of
    the previous season so K9 needed a new voice. Terry Nation's
    "Destiny of the Daleks" script didn't actually feature K9 at
    all, so Douglas Adams added him in... and the guy that did the
    Dalek voices (Roy Skelton) double-jobbed and did the croaky K9
    voice for this episode.

    There is a lot wrong with this story, the lack of continuity
    with "Genesis of the Daleks" being the main one... for instance,
    Davros was 'killed' by the Daleks in the Kaled bunker... yet
    here the Daleks are searching for Davros in the ruins of the old
    Kaled city. (The bunker was not in the city.)

    The Fourth Doctor drawing attention to the fact that Daleks were
    unable to reach the air conditioning ducts in their own city was
    nice and whimsical too, but the air conditioning ducts were much
    more conveniently located in the same city in Genesis (We saw
    people climb through them.) which made more sense.

    Then there is the implication that the Daleks were a robotic
    logic-driven race, which is just bizzare... as Terry Nation was
    always keen to state that the Daleks were not robots. Plus, we
    saw in "Genesis of the Daleks" the jars of baby Kaled mutants
    that would ultimately be placed inside the "MKIII travel
    machine" and be driven by xenophobic ideology... So hardly
    robots governed by a battle computer. The Doctor does briefly
    acknowledge that they are not robots when he finds a Kaled
    mutant outside its casing, but the plot still depends on them
    behaving like logical machines. Which contradicts earlier and
    later Dalek stories.

    "Genesis of the Daleks" is a grim, moral heavy origin story
    about genocide, fascism, and the birth of a monster [master]
    race. While "Destiny of the Daleks" is much more lighter and
    comedic in tone, which makes the Daleks feel less menacing and
    more like plot devices. This tonal shift makes the Davros /
    Doctor dynamic feel very different too. From being near equals
    having a philosophically loaded debate in one story to Davros
    now being a returning villain resurrected just to end a
    robot-war stalemate.

    Michael Wisher couldn't reprise his role as Davros, so a new
    Davros was cast for this story, but Michael Wisher's mask wasn't
    replaced so David Gooderson had to wear an old mask that clearly
    didn't fit him properly.

    On paper "Destiny of the Daleks" should be an absolute
    classic... it has the Daleks, Davros, Skaro and Tom Baker at the
    height of his popularity. Instead, what we get is a strange
    mixture of genuinely interesting sci-fi ideas, broad comedy,
    questionable production values and Daleks who, unfortunately,
    aren't always particularly frightening. And yet... I can't
    completely dislike it.

    I am not a big fan of Romana v2.0 either... yes, Tom Baker might
    have been shagging her - so they should have great chemistry on
    screen - but Lalla Ward is no Mary Tamm. I never really took to
    this version of Romana... and if people were paying attention
    they'd have noticed that she didn't even make my 'Most Sexy
    Companion' list!

    Luckily for the BBC, ITV were on strike during the broadcast of
    "Destiny of the Daleks" so with no competition, this story got
    record ratings... with episode four getting over 14 million
    viewers.

    For me "Destiny of the Daleks " has a bit too much comedy in it
    for my liking. Also, if you are going to do a sequel to a very
    popular story, at least try and retain some sort of continuity
    from it. After saying that, it was very entertaining despite its
    flaws... and it did feature Daleks. So I will give "Destiny of
    the Daleks" a 7/10 rating.



    PS: This story was heavily retconned in later years by John Peel
    for his "War of the Daleks" BBC Eighth Doctor novel where it
    turns out the Movellans were actually created by the Daleks on
    Skaro... a different faction led by the Dalek Prime, and the
    events we've seen in "Destiny of the Daleks" didn't take place
    on Skaro at all! (But if you tolerate that, then your children
    will be next!)
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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho,alt.drwho on Sun Sep 6 02:26:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <xn0puezkqlcxqew000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Into Season 17 and "Doctor Who" had a new script editor
    on board, Mr Douglas Adams... and his handiwork would
    be all over this season.

    The opening TARDIS scene is memorable, for the wrong reasons,
    as Romana decides that for her regeneration 'outfit' she would
    like to wear the outer form of Princess Astra (from the previous
    story). The Doctor declares you can't wear somebody else's body,
    so Romana decides to try on a variety of other forms; small, big
    and (This is REALLY funny <rolls eyes> ) one that has clothes
    that resemble the Fourth Doctor's trademark outfit, big hat and
    scarf... the Doctor likes it, but it turns out this was Romana
    in the Princes Astra body again... so, to cut a long story
    short, this now becomes Romana's new form.

    Also in the TARDIS, K9 is being repaired, he has laryngitis...
    which was handy as John Leeson had left the show at the end of
    the previous season so K9 needed a new voice. Terry Nation's
    "Destiny of the Daleks" script didn't actually feature K9 at
    all, so Douglas Adams added him in... and the guy that did the
    Dalek voices (Roy Skelton) double-jobbed and did the croaky K9
    voice for this episode.

    There is a lot wrong with this story, the lack of continuity
    with "Genesis of the Daleks" being the main one... for instance,
    Davros was 'killed' by the Daleks in the Kaled bunker... yet
    here the Daleks are searching for Davros in the ruins of the old
    Kaled city. (The bunker was not in the city.)

    The Fourth Doctor drawing attention to the fact that Daleks were
    unable to reach the air conditioning ducts in their own city was
    nice and whimsical too, but the air conditioning ducts were much
    more conveniently located in the same city in Genesis (We saw
    people climb through them.) which made more sense.

    Then there is the implication that the Daleks were a robotic
    logic-driven race, which is just bizzare... as Terry Nation was
    always keen to state that the Daleks were not robots. Plus, we
    saw in "Genesis of the Daleks" the jars of baby Kaled mutants
    that would ultimately be placed inside the "MKIII travel
    machine" and be driven by xenophobic ideology... So hardly
    robots governed by a battle computer. The Doctor does briefly
    acknowledge that they are not robots when he finds a Kaled
    mutant outside its casing, but the plot still depends on them
    behaving like logical machines. Which contradicts earlier and
    later Dalek stories.

    "Genesis of the Daleks" is a grim, moral heavy origin story
    about genocide, fascism, and the birth of a monster [master]
    race. While "Destiny of the Daleks" is much more lighter and
    comedic in tone, which makes the Daleks feel less menacing and
    more like plot devices. This tonal shift makes the Davros /
    Doctor dynamic feel very different too. From being near equals
    having a philosophically loaded debate in one story to Davros
    now being a returning villain resurrected just to end a
    robot-war stalemate.

    Michael Wisher couldn't reprise his role as Davros, so a new
    Davros was cast for this story, but Michael Wisher's mask wasn't
    replaced so David Gooderson had to wear an old mask that clearly
    didn't fit him properly.

    On paper "Destiny of the Daleks" should be an absolute
    classic... it has the Daleks, Davros, Skaro and Tom Baker at the
    height of his popularity. Instead, what we get is a strange
    mixture of genuinely interesting sci-fi ideas, broad comedy,
    questionable production values and Daleks who, unfortunately,
    aren't always particularly frightening. And yet... I can't
    completely dislike it.

    I am not a big fan of Romana v2.0 either... yes, Tom Baker might
    have been shagging her - so they should have great chemistry on
    screen - but Lalla Ward is no Mary Tamm. I never really took to
    this version of Romana... and if people were paying attention
    they'd have noticed that she didn't even make my 'Most Sexy
    Companion' list!

    Luckily for the BBC, ITV were on strike during the broadcast of
    "Destiny of the Daleks" so with no competition, this story got
    record ratings... with episode four getting over 14 million
    viewers.

    For me "Destiny of the Daleks " has a bit too much comedy in it
    for my liking. Also, if you are going to do a sequel to a very
    popular story, at least try and retain some sort of continuity
    from it. After saying that, it was very entertaining despite its
    flaws... and it did feature Daleks. So I will give "Destiny of
    the Daleks" a 7/10 rating.



    7 + 8 + 9 +10

    8.5 on the average.

    PS: This story was heavily retconned in later years by John Peel
    for his "War of the Daleks" BBC Eighth Doctor novel where it
    turns out the Movellans were actually created by the Daleks on
    Skaro... a different faction led by the Dalek Prime, and the
    events we've seen in "Destiny of the Daleks" didn't take place
    on Skaro at all! (But if you tolerate that, then your children
    will be next!)
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