• REWATCH: Shada

    From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sat Oct 10 13:24:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10
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  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 00:29:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10

    Which version of Shada is this?
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    poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
    lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
    that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
    the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
    "trolls" were actually the members of the group.
    I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
    to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets
    another asskicking from The One True Melissa
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  • From The True Doctor@agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 01:58:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    On 10/10/2026 18:24, The True Melissa wrote:
    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    He's deliberately reading it in gibberish because it's written in code
    and he doesn't know how to decipher it and neither does the TARDIS or
    anyone.


    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.


    Then he ups it to seven-eighths.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will
    have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue.

    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no

    No it doesn't.

    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly

    See above.

    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    The tenses are impossible to construct.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.


    Technically it would be everyone's mind since Skagra can draw upon all
    of them.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\

    And so they should. It's the Doctor thinking.

    It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the> key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the
    other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or Chinese? Where are the other continents and cities. There's Time Lords
    setting up rival academies of cardinals and living on other planets? Why
    can't they do this on their own planet?

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?


    They ran out of dog food.

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.


    The scene and closing dialogue is actually in the original script
    written by Douglas Adams.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    Welcome inside.


    10/10

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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 02:02:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10


    Average 9.66667/10

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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 02:14:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>,
    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in >news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10

    Which version of Shada is this?


    Just checking to see if Melissa got the question.


    --
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    lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
    that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
    the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
    "trolls" were actually the members of the group.
    I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 02:16:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 10/10/2026 18:24, The True Melissa wrote:
    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    He's deliberately reading it in gibberish because it's written in code
    and he doesn't know how to decipher it and neither does the TARDIS or >anyone.


    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.


    Then he ups it to seven-eighths.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue.

    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no

    No it doesn't.

    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly

    See above.

    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    The tenses are impossible to construct.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.


    Technically it would be everyone's mind since Skagra can draw upon all
    of them.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\

    And so they should. It's the Doctor thinking.

    It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the> key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >Chinese? Where are the other continents and cities. There's Time Lords >setting up rival academies of cardinals and living on other planets? Why >can't they do this on their own planet?

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?


    They ran out of dog food.

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.


    The scene and closing dialogue is actually in the original script
    written by Douglas Adams.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    Welcome inside.


    I did a long time ago.


    10/10



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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 05:30:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article <XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10

    Which version of Shada is this?

    YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
    2462s
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 05:42:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue


    What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
    The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
    have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
    simple word "am" was all that was needed there.

    If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
    For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
    the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
    prior club attendance is before that.

    This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
    is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
    narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.


    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or Chinese?

    Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
    because of the instantaneous travel and communication.
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  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 10:47:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in news:MPG.4535212249d2ed8398a5c2@news.eternal-september.org:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article <XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in
    news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10

    Which version of Shada is this?

    YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
    2462s

    There's no actual information on that version in the description other
    than it was completed in 2017. It doesn't appear there's much difference
    other than some tweaking and that it's a six part serial for the one
    released in 2021.
    --
    "I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet
    poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
    lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
    that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
    the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
    "trolls" were actually the members of the group.
    I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 11:15:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <MPG.4535212249d2ed8398a5c2@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article ><XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in
    news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10

    Which version of Shada is this?

    YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
    2462s


    So many versions..

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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 11:16:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <MPG.45352415fb5bae798a5c3@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will
    have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue


    What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
    The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
    have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
    simple word "am" was all that was needed there.

    If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
    For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
    the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
    prior club attendance is before that.

    This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
    is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
    narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.


    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the
    other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or
    Chinese?

    Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
    because of the instantaneous travel and communication.


    WEll give the Greek ...


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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 11:24:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    In article <XnsB4E24504E4901PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.25>,
    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in >news:MPG.4535212249d2ed8398a5c2@news.eternal-september.org:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article
    <XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in
    news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:

    We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
    awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
    doze off again.

    Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
    some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
    dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
    president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
    has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
    got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
    it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
    borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.

    We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
    He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
    white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
    appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.

    The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
    other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
    powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
    the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
    floor.

    The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
    name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
    who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
    Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
    sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
    slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
    with multiple things going on at once.

    The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
    climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
    but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
    sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
    Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
    disintegrated.

    The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
    into the river.

    I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
    don't want to distract myself with notes.

    Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
    It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
    sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
    the years kept his voice limber.

    DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"

    SKAGRA: "Yes."

    DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."

    The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
    the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
    speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
    If not, when did Romana learn English?

    As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
    sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.

    I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
    individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
    Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
    K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"

    There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
    mentioning.

    Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
    most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
    competent underneath, not just full of himself.

    I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
    oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
    make a lot more sense, given what's happening.

    DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.

    CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.

    I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.

    The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
    see him that angry!

    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
    characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
    excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
    required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
    and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
    English allegedly can't do it.

    Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.

    Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.

    Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
    consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
    it would be Skagra's mind.

    Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
    them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
    cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
    existence.

    Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
    himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
    mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
    out to be Professor Chronotis.

    The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
    discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
    thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
    key to victory.

    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.

    K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
    show?

    Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
    lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.

    The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
    tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
    loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
    happy with his legacy.

    Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
    though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
    decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
    down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.

    10/10

    Which version of Shada is this?

    YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
    2462s

    There's no actual information on that version in the description other
    than it was completed in 2017. It doesn't appear there's much difference >other than some tweaking and that it's a six part serial for the one >released in 2021.


    So many versions.


    --
    "I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
    lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
    that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
    the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
    "trolls" were actually the members of the group.
    I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
    to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
    --
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  • From The True Doctor@agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 18:09:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    On 11/10/2026 10:42, The True Melissa wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will
    have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue


    What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
    The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
    have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
    simple word "am" was all that was needed there.


    You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
    man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
    the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
    future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that
    Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
    the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.

    If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
    For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
    the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
    prior club attendance is before that.


    But Chronotis/Salyavin is from the future but also from the Doctor's
    past which is in the future, but not the Doctor's future or Salyavin's
    future for that matter, unless he/Chrontis lives long enough.

    This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
    is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
    narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.


    We only have the ability to travel into the future and that's pretty
    easy to do but it's just an arbitrary construct.

    In Quantum Mechanics time does not even exist and neither do
    trajectories so how do you describe someone's movement? It all comes
    down to probabiliorists and time is added on as an arbitrary construct invented by humans to count the ticks on clocks. The ticks run slower
    the closer you get to the speed of light and then stop altogether, but
    not for the persons moving at the speed where time flows normally for
    them. A photon travelling at the speed of light is everywhere in space
    and time simultaneously in both Relativity and QM until hit hits
    something and is absorbed. And technically every photon is the same
    photon since they're all part of the electromagnetic field.


    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the
    other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or
    Chinese?

    Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
    because of the instantaneous travel and communication.

    That doesn't explain why they only speak one language and there seems to
    be only one single city there despite there being colonies on other
    planets, such as Karn and Skagra's home world, and them interfering with
    the Minyans and fighting wars against space vampires, but that's in 4
    stories time.
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  • From The True Doctor@agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 18:10:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    On 11/10/2026 12:16, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.45352415fb5bae798a5c3@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >>> have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue


    What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
    The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
    have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
    simple word "am" was all that was needed there.

    If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
    For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
    the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
    prior club attendance is before that.

    This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
    is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
    narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.


    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >>> other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >>> Chinese?

    Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
    because of the instantaneous travel and communication.


    WEll give the Greek ...

    They should all be speaking Greek, I mean Old High Gallifreyan. What
    happened to that?
    --
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 13:26:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.drwho

    The True Doctor wrote in article <11agfs0$2qv3e$1@dont-email.me>:
    You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
    man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
    the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
    future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
    the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.

    I understood it just fine, thanks. I also know it was a terrible
    abuse of English syntax, which does not deserve this.
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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 18:58:19 2026
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    In article <11agfs0$2qv3e$1@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 11/10/2026 10:42, The True Melissa wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >>> have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue


    What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
    The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
    have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
    simple word "am" was all that was needed there.


    You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be >trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
    man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
    the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
    future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that >Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
    the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.

    If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
    For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
    the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
    prior club attendance is before that.


    But Chronotis/Salyavin is from the future but also from the Doctor's
    past which is in the future, but not the Doctor's future or Salyavin's >future for that matter, unless he/Chrontis lives long enough.

    This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
    is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
    narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.


    We only have the ability to travel into the future and that's pretty
    easy to do but it's just an arbitrary construct.

    In Quantum Mechanics time does not even exist and neither do
    trajectories so how do you describe someone's movement? It all comes
    down to probabiliorists and time is added on as an arbitrary construct >invented by humans to count the ticks on clocks. The ticks run slower
    the closer you get to the speed of light and then stop altogether, but
    not for the persons moving at the speed where time flows normally for
    them. A photon travelling at the speed of light is everywhere in space
    and time simultaneously in both Relativity and QM until hit hits
    something and is absorbed. And technically every photon is the same
    photon since they're all part of the electromagnetic field.


    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >>> other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >>> Chinese?

    Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
    because of the instantaneous travel and communication.

    That doesn't explain why they only speak one language and there seems to
    be only one single city there despite there being colonies on other
    planets, such as Karn and Skagra's home world, and them interfering with
    the Minyans and fighting wars against space vampires, but that's in 4 >stories time.


    Intersting loop.

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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 18:59:05 2026
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    In article <11agfud$2qv3e$2@dont-email.me>,
    The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
    On 11/10/2026 12:16, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <MPG.45352415fb5bae798a5c3@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
    However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
    handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
    intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
    been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the

    As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
    it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >>>> have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
    actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
    That's the issue


    What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
    The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
    have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
    simple word "am" was all that was needed there.

    If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
    For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
    the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
    prior club attendance is before that.

    This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
    is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
    narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.


    It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
    culture, and technology being important during an Earth
    adventure.


    They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >>>> other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >>>> Chinese?

    Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
    because of the instantaneous travel and communication.


    WEll give the Greek ...

    They should all be speaking Greek, I mean Old High Gallifreyan. What >happened to that?


    You got my point.


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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to rec.arts.drwho on Sun Oct 11 19:01:55 2026
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    In article <MPG.453590d9769f52d098a5cd@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote in article <11agfs0$2qv3e$1@dont-email.me>:
    You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be
    trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
    man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
    the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
    future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that
    Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
    the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.

    I understood it just fine, thanks. I also know it was a terrible
    abuse of English syntax, which does not deserve this.


    Keep it away from AUE.


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