We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\
It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the> key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
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The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in >news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
Which version of Shada is this?
----
"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
On 10/10/2026 18:24, The True Melissa wrote:
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
He's deliberately reading it in gibberish because it's written in code
and he doesn't know how to decipher it and neither does the TARDIS or >anyone.
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
Then he ups it to seven-eighths.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue.
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
No it doesn't.
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
See above.
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
The tenses are impossible to construct.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Technically it would be everyone's mind since Skagra can draw upon all
of them.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\
And so they should. It's the Doctor thinking.
It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the> key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >Chinese? Where are the other continents and cities. There's Time Lords >setting up rival academies of cardinals and living on other planets? Why >can't they do this on their own planet?
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
They ran out of dog food.
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
The scene and closing dialogue is actually in the original script
written by Douglas Adams.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
Welcome inside.
10/10
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
Which version of Shada is this?
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or Chinese?
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article <XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in
news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
Which version of Shada is this?
YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
2462s
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article ><XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in
news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
Which version of Shada is this?
YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
2462s
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will
have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue
What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
simple word "am" was all that was needed there.
If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
prior club attendance is before that.
This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the
other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or
Chinese?
Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
because of the instantaneous travel and communication.
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in >news:MPG.4535212249d2ed8398a5c2@news.eternal-september.org:
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote in article
<XnsB4E1D068D2451PantyheadPoorHouse@62.164.182.21>:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in
news:MPG.45343ebd2c47f8d898a5bf@news.eternal-september.org:
We open in space. Some sleeping people seem to be stirring. One
awake guy in a white suit enters VIII into a console, and they
doze off again.
Next, we visit a college. A student is visiting a professor with
some heavily British college title -- I think he's similar to a
dean or something, but he might be equivalent to the college
president. He is an eccentric who makes confusing remarks, and he
has a police call box in his study. He claims not to know how it
got there. He also claims to be suspiciously old, and overall
it's telegraphed that this dude is a Time Lord. His student
borrows two books, one of which isn't the one he came for.
We finally see the Doctor and Romana, who are on another date.
He's poling them through a canal, as they chitchat happily. The
white suit guy is watching them evilly. Despite his odd
appearance, this guy attracts no attention as he walks around.
The plot moves quickly, with multiple developments following each
other quickly. The Worshipful and Ancient Wisdom of Gallifrey, a
powerful artifact, is missing. We see Romana fetching milk in
the TARDIS and returning to find the Professor supine on the
floor.
The white suit guy changes out of his white suit. He gives his
name as Skagra, and he sets some kind of sphere after the Doctor,
who cycles away rapidly. A men's choir is rehearsing "Chatanooga
Choo-Choo" on a street corner as first the Doctor and then the
sphere go past, and the choir ignores them. This is a nice touch:
slightly surreal from our point of view, but it's a big world
with multiple things going on at once.
The sphere traps the Doctor against a chain-link fence. He can't
climb it with his boots on and doesn't think to take them off,
but fortunately Romana pops up in the TARDIS to rescue him. The
sphere floats menacingly off, and the Gallifreyans return to the
Professor's study to learn that the Professor's body has
disintegrated.
The evil spear does something to a guy, who falls unconscious
into the river.
I'm giving up on the recapping. There's enough going on that I
don't want to distract myself with notes.
Lalla Ward's voice is a bit different during the animated scenes.
It happens. She still sounds recognizably herself, and Tom Baker
sounds just as he ever did. I guess all that voice acting over
the years kept his voice limber.
DOCTOR: "Are you standing comfortably?"
SKAGRA: "Yes."
DOCTOR: "Then I'll sit down."
The Doctor reading in Gallifreyan is funny, but what happened to
the TARDIS translation? Aren't the Doctor and Romana normally
speaking in Gallifreyan, translated to local lingo by the TARDIS?
If not, when did Romana learn English?
As Skagra strikes with his sphere thingie, YouTube describes the
sound as "Doctor screaming." He's not. That's just the music.
I like Romana's varied fancy costumes. It gives her some
individuality without taking up screen time. They also suit Lalla
Ward's acting style, which I find appealingly old-fashioned. "Oh,
K-9, can't you pick up *any* trace of the Doctor?"
There are a few tiny continuity errors, but nothing worth
mentioning.
Skagra is a fun villain. He's all arrogant and sneering, like
most villains, but I have the impression that he's actually
competent underneath, not just full of himself.
I could have sworn the computer said, "Gay men do not require
oxygen" at 1:06:40. Okay, it's actually "dead men." That does
make a lot more sense, given what's happening.
DOCTOR: I've been nearly too clever by three-quarters.
CHRIS: You never seem to do anything by halves.
I like that joke. The silly era does have some payoffs.
The Doctor *throws* his bag of jelly babies! I never thought I'd
see him that angry!
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
characters look stupid and illiterate, and there's absolutely no
excuse for a Gallifreyan character using it. If time travel truly
required more tenses, the Gallifreyan language would have them...
and the TARDISes would presumably fail at translation, since
English allegedly can't do it.
Dumb trope. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Anyway.
Time runs backwards over the book. Okay, I can work with that.
Chris seems intrigued by the idea of a single galactic
consciousness. The Doctor thinks it's obviously terrible because
it would be Skagra's mind.
Skagra and Romana are now on Gallifrey's prison planet (or one of
them). Even on this planet of exile, they're warehoused in
cryogenic storage. Romana was previously unaware of its
existence.
Skagra actually has a different plan than a cosmos-size copy of
himself -- he's releasing that Gallifreyan criminal people have
mentioned, Salyavin. In a nonshocking nontwist, Salyavin turns
out to be Professor Chronotis.
The Doctor's being a real dick to both Romana and Claire. They
discuss what to do, and he tells them to shut up because a man is
thinking. :-\ It's a nice touch that Romana then figures out the
key to victory.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
K-9 is just beyond adorable. Why did they ever lose him from the
show?
Skagra's goal is "an infinite concert of the mind." That sounds
lovely. Too bad about all the unpleasant side effects.
The ending scene with current Tom Baker is interesting. It's just
tacked on for fun, but when he breaks out that same old fun-
loving cackle at the end, that's a nice moment. I'm glad he's
happy with his legacy.
Overall, this is good. It's darn good. The plot's great, and even
though it's from the silly era, most of the jokes are at least
decent. I enjoyed it tremendously, and I'm glad I finally sat
down and watched the whole thing. I've joined the Shada Fan Club.
10/10
Which version of Shada is this?
YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt7JdpWXmtE&list=WL&index=26&t=
2462s
There's no actual information on that version in the description other
than it was completed in 2017. It doesn't appear there's much difference >other than some tweaking and that it's a six part serial for the one >released in 2021.
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"I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet >poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
"trolls" were actually the members of the group.
I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets >another asskicking from The One True Melissa
The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will
have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue
What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
simple word "am" was all that was needed there.
If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
prior club attendance is before that.
This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the
other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or
Chinese?
Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
because of the instantaneous travel and communication.
In article <MPG.45352415fb5bae798a5c3@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >>> have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue
What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
simple word "am" was all that was needed there.
If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
prior club attendance is before that.
This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >>> other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >>> Chinese?
Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
because of the instantaneous travel and communication.
WEll give the Greek ...
You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.
On 11/10/2026 10:42, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >>> have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue
What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
simple word "am" was all that was needed there.
You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be >trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that >Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.
If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
prior club attendance is before that.
But Chronotis/Salyavin is from the future but also from the Doctor's
past which is in the future, but not the Doctor's future or Salyavin's >future for that matter, unless he/Chrontis lives long enough.
This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.
We only have the ability to travel into the future and that's pretty
easy to do but it's just an arbitrary construct.
In Quantum Mechanics time does not even exist and neither do
trajectories so how do you describe someone's movement? It all comes
down to probabiliorists and time is added on as an arbitrary construct >invented by humans to count the ticks on clocks. The ticks run slower
the closer you get to the speed of light and then stop altogether, but
not for the persons moving at the speed where time flows normally for
them. A photon travelling at the speed of light is everywhere in space
and time simultaneously in both Relativity and QM until hit hits
something and is absorbed. And technically every photon is the same
photon since they're all part of the electromagnetic field.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >>> other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >>> Chinese?
Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
because of the instantaneous travel and communication.
That doesn't explain why they only speak one language and there seems to
be only one single city there despite there being colonies on other
planets, such as Karn and Skagra's home world, and them interfering with
the Minyans and fighting wars against space vampires, but that's in 4 >stories time.
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The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 11/10/2026 12:16, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.45352415fb5bae798a5c3@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <11aen0a$27l75$1@dont-email.me>:
However, I dislike the old trope that standard grammar can't
handle time travel. Of course it can, and people of normal
intelligence use phrases like "will have gone" and "would have
been given" without a struggle. This trope always makes the
As far as the Doctor and Romana are concerned the already did it, so
it's past tenace, I went, but if they're now in the past then it's, will >>>> have gone, and then again what is now in the past when it should
actually be then or if you go back in time further then it's later.
That's the issue
What scenario do you believe is difficult to express in English?
The scenario in the show was Chronitis saying, "I am was will
have been Professor Chronotis." This is pure pretentiousness. The
simple word "am" was all that was needed there.
If all you want is the past of the past, we have that already.
For example, "I had been attending the club for three weeks when
the robbery happened." The robbery is already in the past, and my
prior club attendance is before that.
This is why the allegedly impossibility of discussing time travel
is so silly. We already have the ability to travel in time
narratively, and our language flexes accordingly.
It is an interesting change to see the Gallifreyan language,
culture, and technology being important during an Earth
adventure.
They're still making the same mistake they've always made. Where are the >>>> other languages on Gallifrey? Don't they have an equivalent of French or >>>> Chinese?
Nope. The Time Lords are a cultural monolith. It's probably
because of the instantaneous travel and communication.
WEll give the Greek ...
They should all be speaking Greek, I mean Old High Gallifreyan. What >happened to that?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <11agfs0$2qv3e$1@dont-email.me>:
You've not understood the meaning of what Douglas Adams is, was, will be
trying to say to the audience. That Professor Chronotis is not this
man's real name but something he is using, was using, will be using, in
the Doctor's past, which is now the present but could also be the
future, since the Doctor was, is, will be born at about the time that
Morbius was, is, will be executed about 5000 years in our future but in
the Doctor's past. It's a clue that Chronotis is Salyavin.
I understood it just fine, thanks. I also know it was a terrible
abuse of English syntax, which does not deserve this.
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