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    From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Sep 2 17:23:19 2026
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    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...


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  • From shawn@nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Sep 2 17:53:45 2026
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    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:


    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...


    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Sep 2 22:23:13 2026
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    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:23:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    More to the point, they can't decide that regardless of her conveniently-timed mental illness, that she doesn't deserve to be taken out back of the
    courthouse and dismembered piece-by-piece.


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Sep 2 23:22:12 2026
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    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds of women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50 years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except sometimes our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own mind enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth, any of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States, with access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and suddenly Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings around the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault of your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who
    just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd done, there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this
    horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the
    situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident
    that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things.

    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and determination an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty. You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because
    you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by hordes of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out in society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other
    than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you and just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever
    find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to see themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions after allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from her husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought), conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling her children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze,
    she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police or emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their beds, at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face
    down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic, determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and forced their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a 2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all this), but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending her children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying to end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after
    another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure
    out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When asked by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's "nervous and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous
    or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone
    hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she
    did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't you be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're in a living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable, because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one.


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 07:59:00 2026
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    BTR1701 wrote in article <117a7kh$36tsd$2@dont-email.me>:

    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:23:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    More to the point, they can't decide that regardless of her conveniently-timed
    mental illness, that she doesn't deserve to be taken out back of the courthouse and dismembered piece-by-piece.

    Conveniently timed? How in the world do you figure that?

    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    There is documentation of this. It's wrong to act like she just
    got mad and killed her kids and then cooked up a story to get out
    of it. That's not what happened.

    IMO, a mental hospital is the right place for her. She asked for
    it herself. It's too late for the real benefit now, but it's
    still the right place for her.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 15:06:59 2026
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    On Sep 3, 2026 at 4:59:00 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote in article <117a7kh$36tsd$2@dont-email.me>:

    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:23:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    More to the point, they can't decide that regardless of her
    conveniently-timed
    mental illness, that she doesn't deserve to be taken out back of the
    courthouse and dismembered piece-by-piece.

    Conveniently timed? How in the world do you figure that?

    I already went through it all in my other post in this thread.

    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing. If she didn't think she was safe around the kids, why didn't she go to her parents or stay with friends or go
    to a hotel?

    There is documentation of this. It's wrong to act like she just
    got mad and killed her kids and then cooked up a story to get out
    of it. That's not what happened.

    IMO, a mental hospital is the right place for her. She asked for
    it herself. It's too late for the real benefit now, but it's
    still the right place for her.

    No, she needs to be in prison for life and then buried beneath it.


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 15:46:07 2026
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    On Sep 3, 2026 at 4:59:00 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote in article <117a7kh$36tsd$2@dont-email.me>:

    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:23:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    More to the point, they can't decide that regardless of her
    conveniently-timed
    mental illness, that she doesn't deserve to be taken out back of the
    courthouse and dismembered piece-by-piece.

    Conveniently timed? How in the world do you figure that?

    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    There is documentation of this. It's wrong to act like she just
    got mad and killed her kids and then cooked up a story to get out
    of it. That's not what happened.

    IMO, a mental hospital is the right place for her. She asked for
    it herself. It's too late for the real benefit now, but it's
    still the right place for her.

    Sums it up much better than I did:


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2095458275265306624/vid/avc1/576x1024/ARovt5asEkGsHsUW.mp4


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 16:49:48 2026
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    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:23:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    I'm really enjoying the energy coming out of the supporter of Lindsay Clancy:

    THEM: "Men shouldn't have an opinion about postpartum depression because they will never know what a woman goes through or what it's like to have a child."

    ME: So we agree, then, that men can never be women.

    <mic drop>


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 13:32:09 2026
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    On 9/2/2026 5:53 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:


    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...


    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    If I were on the jury, I doubt I could keep from adjusting my verdict to effect whatever constitutes maximum certainty that she'll be permanently removed from society ...though that'd probably violate instruction.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 13:40:08 2026
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    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds of
    women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50 years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except sometimes
    our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own mind enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth, any
    of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States, with
    access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and suddenly
    Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings around
    the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault of your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd done,
    there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things.

    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and determination an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty. You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by hordes
    of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out in
    society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you and
    just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to see themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions after allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from her husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought), conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling her
    children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze, she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police or emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their beds, at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic, determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and forced their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a 2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all this),
    but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending her
    children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying to
    end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When asked by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's "nervous
    and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't you
    be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're in a
    living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable, because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one.

    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points. I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 18:50:57 2026
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    On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:40:08 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds >> of
    women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She >> points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and >> ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50
    years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except
    sometimes
    our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into >> murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own
    mind
    enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth, >> any
    of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States, >> with
    access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and
    suddenly
    Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when
    that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives >> and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings
    around
    the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability
    because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this >> alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze >> were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare
    scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders
    want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault >> of
    your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you
    didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who >> just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd
    done,
    there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless
    situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent
    who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this
    horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the
    situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident >> that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things. >>
    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and
    determination
    an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had >> used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face >> justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to >> trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any
    justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty.
    You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because >> you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to
    spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently >> wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where >> your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by
    hordes
    of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to
    prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out >> in
    society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your >> freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other >> than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you >> and
    just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever >> find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate
    themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to >> see
    themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions
    after
    allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the
    opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from >> her
    husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not
    out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought),
    conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling >> her
    children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze, >> she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police >> or
    emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their
    beds,
    at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face >> down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic, >> determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and
    forced
    their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and
    apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself
    superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a
    2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may
    turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all
    this),
    but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending >> her
    children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying >> to
    end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after
    another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she >> suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure >> out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and
    minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she
    committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When
    asked
    by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's
    "nervous
    and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous
    or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone
    hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she >> did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't >> you
    be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're >> in a
    living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable, >> because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one.

    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points. I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.

    Fine, then let's just judge her on her actions alone and throw her into a pit and forget about her.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 15:37:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 9/3/2026 2:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:40:08 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds
    of
    women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She
    points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and
    ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50
    years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except
    sometimes
    our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into
    murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own >>> mind
    enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth,
    any
    of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States, >>> with
    access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and
    suddenly
    Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when
    that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives
    and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings >>> around
    the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability >>> because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this
    alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze
    were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare >>> scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders
    want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault
    of
    your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you
    didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who
    just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd >>> done,
    there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless >>> situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent
    who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this
    horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the
    situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident
    that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things.

    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and
    determination
    an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had
    used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face >>> justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to
    trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any >>> justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty.
    You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because >>> you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to
    spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently
    wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where
    your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by >>> hordes
    of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to
    prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out
    in
    society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your
    freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other
    than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you
    and
    just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever
    find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate >>> themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to >>> see
    themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions >>> after
    allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the >>> opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from >>> her
    husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not
    out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought),
    conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling
    her
    children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze,
    she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police
    or
    emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their >>> beds,
    at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face
    down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic,
    determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and >>> forced
    their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and >>> apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself >>> superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a >>> 2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may
    turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all >>> this),
    but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending
    her
    children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying
    to
    end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after >>> another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she
    suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure
    out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and >>> minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she >>> committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When >>> asked
    by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's
    "nervous
    and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous
    or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone >>> hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she
    did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't
    you
    be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're >>> in a
    living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable,
    because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one.

    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points. I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.

    Fine, then let's just judge her on her actions alone and throw her into a pit and forget about her.

    Do that, but -- and this is the trick for a civilized society -- do it
    without rancor. (And I assure you I'm as horrified by her as you are.)


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 15:42:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 wrote in article <117c2ej$3puml$1@dont-email.me>:
    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing.


    No, it does not. It definitely does *not* mean that she had a
    plan and knew what she was doing and set out to see it through.
    It means pretty much the opposite: that she knew she wasn't under
    control, had already spun out, and desperately wanted someone
    else to prevent her from acting out the horrible visions that
    wouldn't leave her head.

    She certainly needs to be confined and supervised, and there may
    well be no treatment for her, but it's not right to act as if she
    were just evil. This isn't a Susan Smith case. She tried, and
    don't forget that she had to use a sick mind to figure out how to
    seek help. It's the dilemma of the maybe-Alzheimer's patient,
    having to evaluate a deteriorating brain with a deteriorating
    brain.

    Her husband should perhaps get some scrutiny. Seems like he's
    guilty of gross child neglect, given that he knew his wife's
    fragile state and didn't send the kids to his mom.

    One area where I do agree with you is with the women going on
    TikTok to chortle and say that they know how she feels. That's
    not funny. If you genuinely know how she feels, you too need some
    responsible supervision. If you don't, stop trying to act like
    family annihilation is something a normal person might
    understand.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 20:17:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sep 3, 2026 at 12:42:10 PM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote in article <117c2ej$3puml$1@dont-email.me>:

    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing.

    No, it does not. It definitely does *not* mean that she had a
    plan and knew what she was doing and set out to see it through.
    It means pretty much the opposite: that she knew she wasn't under
    control, had already spun out, and desperately wanted someone
    else to prevent her from acting out the horrible visions that
    wouldn't leave her head.

    None of the doctors she shopped for even diagnosed her with postpartum depression, let alone psychosis or any other mental illness. And the voices
    she claimed to have heard, she only heard one time: while she was committing the murders. That's not how delusions work.

    She certainly needs to be confined and supervised, and there may
    well be no treatment for her, but it's not right to act as if she
    were just evil. This isn't a Susan Smith case. She tried, and
    don't forget that she had to use a sick mind to figure out how to
    seek help. It's the dilemma of the maybe-Alzheimer's patient,
    having to evaluate a deteriorating brain with a deteriorating
    brain.

    Her husband should perhaps get some scrutiny. Seems like he's
    guilty of gross child neglect, given that he knew his wife's
    fragile state and didn't send the kids to his mom.

    One area where I do agree with you is with the women going on
    TikTok to chortle and say that they know how she feels. That's
    not funny. If you genuinely know how she feels, you too need some responsible supervision. If you don't, stop trying to act like
    family annihilation is something a normal person might
    understand.



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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 16:39:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 9/3/2026 3:42 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote in article <117c2ej$3puml$1@dont-email.me>:
    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing.


    No, it does not. It definitely does *not* mean that she had a
    plan and knew what she was doing and set out to see it through.
    It means pretty much the opposite: that she knew she wasn't under
    control, had already spun out, and desperately wanted someone
    else to prevent her from acting out the horrible visions that
    wouldn't leave her head.

    She certainly needs to be confined and supervised, and there may
    well be no treatment for her, but it's not right to act as if she
    were just evil. This isn't a Susan Smith case. She tried, and
    don't forget that she had to use a sick mind to figure out how to
    seek help. It's the dilemma of the maybe-Alzheimer's patient,
    having to evaluate a deteriorating brain with a deteriorating
    brain.

    Her husband should perhaps get some scrutiny. Seems like he's
    guilty of gross child neglect, given that he knew his wife's
    fragile state and didn't send the kids to his mom.

    One area where I do agree with you is with the women going on
    TikTok to chortle and say that they know how she feels. That's
    not funny. If you genuinely know how she feels, you too need some
    responsible supervision. If you don't, stop trying to act like
    family annihilation is something a normal person might
    understand.

    I don't see how to blame anyone anywhere for failing to prevent an act
    that lies beyond comprehension. Even the professionals who sent her
    home must surely have had their world views obliterated by this.


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 17:46:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    moviePig wrote in article <117clt5$1e08$1@dont-email.me>:

    I don't see how to blame anyone anywhere for failing to prevent an act
    that lies beyond comprehension. Even the professionals who sent her
    home must surely have had their world views obliterated by this.

    If that's the case, how do we prevent this from happening again?

    Maybe we need, God help us, hotlines. "Are you thinking of
    hurting your family? Here's an understanding ear." The volunteers
    listen and provide local resources, like suicide hotline
    volunteers.
    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 18:41:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 9/3/2026 5:46 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    moviePig wrote in article <117clt5$1e08$1@dont-email.me>:

    I don't see how to blame anyone anywhere for failing to prevent an act
    that lies beyond comprehension. Even the professionals who sent her
    home must surely have had their world views obliterated by this.

    If that's the case, how do we prevent this from happening again?

    Maybe we need, God help us, hotlines. "Are you thinking of
    hurting your family? Here's an understanding ear." The volunteers
    listen and provide local resources, like suicide hotline
    volunteers.

    Sadly, life graces us with some events that are both tragic and
    unimaginable, whose prevention would exact a paralyzing price. Right up
    until she committed the murders, nothing (that I'm aware of) constituted
    even a distant harbinger of them. Bad stuff, yeah maybe. But offing
    her offspring, no way.


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  • From Roger Blake@rogblake@iname.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 23:23:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-09-03, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    If I were on the jury, I doubt I could keep from adjusting my verdict to effect whatever constitutes maximum certainty that she'll be permanently removed from society ...though that'd probably violate instruction.

    Jurors are free to to that, they are not obligated to follow the
    judge's instructions or even the letter of the law.

    https://www.fija.org
    --
    Roger Blake
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 20:08:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-09-03 2:50 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:40:08 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds
    of
    women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She
    points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and
    ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50
    years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except
    sometimes
    our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into
    murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own >>> mind
    enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth,
    any
    of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States, >>> with
    access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and
    suddenly
    Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when
    that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives
    and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings >>> around
    the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability >>> because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this
    alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze
    were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare >>> scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders
    want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault
    of
    your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you
    didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who
    just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd >>> done,
    there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless >>> situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent
    who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this
    horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the
    situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident
    that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things.

    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and
    determination
    an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had
    used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face >>> justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to
    trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any >>> justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty.
    You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because >>> you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to
    spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently
    wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where
    your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by >>> hordes
    of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to
    prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out
    in
    society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your
    freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other
    than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you
    and
    just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever
    find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate >>> themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to >>> see
    themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions >>> after
    allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the >>> opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from >>> her
    husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not
    out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought),
    conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling
    her
    children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze,
    she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police
    or
    emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their >>> beds,
    at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face
    down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic,
    determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and >>> forced
    their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and >>> apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself >>> superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a >>> 2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may
    turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all >>> this),
    but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending
    her
    children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying
    to
    end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after >>> another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she
    suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure
    out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and >>> minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she >>> committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When >>> asked
    by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's
    "nervous
    and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous
    or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone >>> hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she
    did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't
    you
    be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're >>> in a
    living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable,
    because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one.

    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points. I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.

    Hilarious! moviePig says we shouldn't assume we know what was in her
    mind while he's certain she couldn't help it, which would also seem to presuppose a whole lot of mind-reading ability....

    Fine, then let's just judge her on her actions alone and throw her into a pit and forget about her.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 21:45:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 9/3/2026 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-09-03 2:50 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:40:08 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn"
    <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
      wrote:
      On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
      wrote:

      It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who >>>>>>   strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is) >>>>>>   mentally ill.  I'd have thought that was close to a definition... >>>>>
      There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was >>>>>   she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't >>>>>   think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come >>>>>   down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.
      My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially
    the crowds
    of
      women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented
    bitch. She
      points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their
    worth and
      ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for
    the past 50
      years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except >>>> sometimes
      our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and
    turn us into
      murderous psychopaths."
      If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of
    your own
    mind
      enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's
    green earth,
    any
      of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United
    States,
    with
      access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and >>>> suddenly
      Canada is aglow.
      Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too?
    Absolutely. And when
      that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of
    their lives
      and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support
    rings
    around
      the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of
    culpability
      because his testosterone was too high or something.
      What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out >>>> of this
      alleged delusional state.
      For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this
    murderous daze
      were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional
    nightmare
      scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female >>>> defenders
      want us to imagine.
      You just killed your three defenseless children through no
    conscious fault
    of
      your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids
    even if you
      didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving
    mother who
      just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what >>>> you'd
    done,
      there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.
      First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a
    hopeless
      situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any
    loving parent
      who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this >>>>   horrifying scene.
      Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the >>>>   situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were
    confident
      that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two >>>> things.
      One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and
    determination
      an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil >>>> self had
      used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined
    to face
      justice for the atrocity you committed.
      And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty
    and go to
      trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer >>>> any
      justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest
    possible penalty.
      You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt
    because
      you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd
    also want to
      spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and
    permanently
      wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A
    trial where
      your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy
    theories by
    hordes
      of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty >>>> and go to
      prison in shame and repentance.
      No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal
    life' out
    in
      society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight
    for your
      freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire
    anything other
      than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could
    give you
    and
      just die as quickly as possible.
      A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this
    couldn't ever
      find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent
    would hate
      themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and
    want to
    see
      themselves punished accordingly.
      But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these
    actions
    after
      allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she
    did the
      opposite.
      In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone
    call from
    her
      husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that
    she was not
      out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice
    aforethought),
      conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed
    strangling
    her
      children to death after she hung up.
      After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her
    hormonal haze,
      she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call
    the police
    or
      emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in
    their
    beds,
      at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left
    them face
      down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".
      Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical,
    systematic,
      determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways >>>> and
    forced
      their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became
    tentative and
      apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut
    herself
      superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped
    out of a
      2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself
    (which may
      turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges
    from all
    this),
      but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was
    in ending
    her
      children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed
    when trying
    to
      end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child
    after
      another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter
    chills, she
      suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply
    couldn't figure
      out a way to die.
      And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free
    herself and
      minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide >>>> she
      committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. >>>> When
    asked
      by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's >>>> "nervous
      and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother
    be nervous
      or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of
    someone
      hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows >>>> what she
      did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum,
    wouldn't
    you
      be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and >>>> you're
    in a
      living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?
      But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's
    culpable,
      because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated
    like one.

    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points.  I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.

    Hilarious! moviePig says we shouldn't assume we know what was in her
    mind while he's certain she couldn't help it, which would also seem to presuppose a whole lot of mind-reading ability....

    ...

    Hmm, *you* shouldn't assume you know what's in *anyone's* mind
    ...especially mine. What I said is that it's very difficult -- and
    maybe even hazardous -- to try for insightful empathy with a lunatic.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Sep 3 21:53:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 9/3/2026 7:23 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2026-09-03, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    If I were on the jury, I doubt I could keep from adjusting my verdict to
    effect whatever constitutes maximum certainty that she'll be permanently
    removed from society ...though that'd probably violate instruction.

    Jurors are free to to that, they are not obligated to follow the
    judge's instructions or even the letter of the law.

    https://www.fija.org

    Well, reports are that one juror has their heels dug in...


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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Sep 4 07:36:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 15:06:59 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Sep 3, 2026 at 4:59:00 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" ><thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote in article <117a7kh$36tsd$2@dont-email.me>:

    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:23:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    More to the point, they can't decide that regardless of her
    conveniently-timed
    mental illness, that she doesn't deserve to be taken out back of the
    courthouse and dismembered piece-by-piece.

    Conveniently timed? How in the world do you figure that?

    I already went through it all in my other post in this thread.

    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing. If she didn't think she was safe >around the kids, why didn't she go to her parents or stay with friends or go >to a hotel?

    There is documentation of this. It's wrong to act like she just
    got mad and killed her kids and then cooked up a story to get out
    of it. That's not what happened.

    IMO, a mental hospital is the right place for her. She asked for
    it herself. It's too late for the real benefit now, but it's
    still the right place for her.

    No, she needs to be in prison for life and then buried beneath it.



    This is nothing more than an attempt to justify post birth abortion. A
    man would have been hung by now.
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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Sep 4 07:37:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 16:39:01 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 9/3/2026 3:42 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote in article <117c2ej$3puml$1@dont-email.me>:
    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally admitted
    and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they shouldn't
    discharge her, but they did. She told her own doctor that she
    wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing.


    No, it does not. It definitely does *not* mean that she had a
    plan and knew what she was doing and set out to see it through.
    It means pretty much the opposite: that she knew she wasn't under
    control, had already spun out, and desperately wanted someone
    else to prevent her from acting out the horrible visions that
    wouldn't leave her head.

    She certainly needs to be confined and supervised, and there may
    well be no treatment for her, but it's not right to act as if she
    were just evil. This isn't a Susan Smith case. She tried, and
    don't forget that she had to use a sick mind to figure out how to
    seek help. It's the dilemma of the maybe-Alzheimer's patient,
    having to evaluate a deteriorating brain with a deteriorating
    brain.

    Her husband should perhaps get some scrutiny. Seems like he's
    guilty of gross child neglect, given that he knew his wife's
    fragile state and didn't send the kids to his mom.

    One area where I do agree with you is with the women going on
    TikTok to chortle and say that they know how she feels. That's
    not funny. If you genuinely know how she feels, you too need some
    responsible supervision. If you don't, stop trying to act like
    family annihilation is something a normal person might
    understand.

    I don't see how to blame anyone anywhere for failing to prevent an act
    that lies beyond comprehension. Even the professionals who sent her
    home must surely have had their world views obliterated by this.


    That sounds like an attempt to excuse the murder of three children by
    their mother.

    What a sad world we live in.
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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Sep 4 07:39:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 18:50:57 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:40:08 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >>> wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is)
    mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition...

    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was
    she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't
    think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come
    down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds
    of
    women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She
    points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and >>> ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50
    years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except
    sometimes
    our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into
    murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own >>> mind
    enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth, >>> any
    of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States, >>> with
    access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and
    suddenly
    Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when
    that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives
    and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings >>> around
    the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability >>> because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this >>> alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze
    were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare
    scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders
    want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault >>> of
    your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you
    didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who >>> just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd >>> done,
    there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless >>> situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent
    who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this
    horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the
    situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident >>> that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things. >>>
    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and
    determination
    an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had
    used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face >>> justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to
    trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any
    justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty.
    You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because >>> you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to
    spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently >>> wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where
    your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by >>> hordes
    of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to
    prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out
    in
    society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your >>> freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other >>> than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you >>> and
    just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever >>> find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate >>> themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to >>> see
    themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions >>> after
    allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the >>> opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from >>> her
    husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not
    out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought),
    conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling >>> her
    children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze,
    she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police >>> or
    emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their >>> beds,
    at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face >>> down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic,
    determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and
    forced
    their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and >>> apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself >>> superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a >>> 2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may
    turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all >>> this),
    but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending >>> her
    children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying
    to
    end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after >>> another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she >>> suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure
    out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and >>> minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she
    committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When >>> asked
    by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's
    "nervous
    and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous
    or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone >>> hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she
    did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't >>> you
    be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're >>> in a
    living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable,
    because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one. >>
    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points. I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.

    Fine, then let's just judge her on her actions alone and throw her into a pit >and forget about her.


    I'm amazingly fine with that.
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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Sep 4 07:41:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 15:37:10 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 9/3/2026 2:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:40:08 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 9/2/2026 7:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:53:45 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 17:23:19 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    It seems that twelve Boston adults can't agree that a woman who
    strangled her three young children was (and almost certainly is) >>>>>> mentally ill. I'd have thought that was close to a definition... >>>>>
    There's no disagreement on her being mentally ill. The question was >>>>> she undergoing a psychotic episode that led to the deaths. I don't >>>>> think there's anyway to be sure in this case so it's going to come >>>>> down to how good a job the two sides of lawyers does.

    My girlfriend is just disgusted with this whole case, especially the crowds
    of
    women standing outside the courthouse cheering for this demented bitch. She
    points out that women have been fighting a battle to prove their worth and
    ability to participate in society at an equal level with men for the past 50
    years. Except now, it's like, "We can do anything men can do, except >>>> sometimes
    our hormones will literally take over our entire free will and turn us into
    murderous psychopaths."

    If y'all's hormones are so intense that they can run you out of your own >>>> mind
    enough to slaughter your family, then there's no way on god's green earth,
    any
    of you should be in a position like, say, president of the United States,
    with
    access to a planet-killing nuclear arsenal. One bad hormone surge and >>>> suddenly
    Canada is aglow.

    Are there the occasional male family annihilators, too? Absolutely. And when
    that happens, we throw them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their lives
    and/or execute them. You don't see legions of men forming support rings >>>> around
    the courthouse and claiming the killer should be relieved of culpability >>>> because his testosterone was too high or something.

    What's telling to me is this woman's behavior *after* she came out of this
    alleged delusional state.

    For the sake of argument, let's imagine something like this murderous daze
    were to actually happen. So put yourself into this fictional nightmare >>>> scenario, the one Clancy's lawyer and her legions of crazed female defenders
    want us to imagine.

    You just killed your three defenseless children through no conscious fault
    of
    your own. You realize you just brutally murdered your three kids even if you
    didn't mean to. What do you do next? If you're an actual loving mother who
    just suddenly woke up from a temporary psychosis and realized what you'd >>>> done,
    there are a few steps you'd immediately take without any doubt.

    First you'd try to revive your children, even it's a clearly a hopeless >>>> situation, because that would be the immediate reaction of any loving parent
    who regained their senses and found themselves in the middle of this >>>> horrifying scene.

    Next, you would call the police. You would explain the urgency of the >>>> situation to the 911 operator. That's a given. And once you were confident
    that the first responders were on the way, you would do one of two things.

    One possibility is that you would kill yourself with a rage and
    determination
    an order of magnitude greater than your unconscious psychotic evil self had
    used to kill your children. Or you would remain alive, determined to face
    justice for the atrocity you committed.

    And when I say face justice, I mean you wouldn't plead not guilty and go to
    trial. I mean, you would admit to it all, make no excuses or offer any >>>> justifications, and beg the court to give you the harshest possible penalty.
    You would forgo a trial entirely. You wouldn't contest your guilt because
    you'd know you were guilty and deserved to pay the price. You'd also want to
    spare your spouse and family, who you have also grievously and permanently
    wounded, the grotesquerie of a long, highly-publicized trial. A trial where
    your spouse would be demonized and targeted with conspiracy theories by >>>> hordes
    of retarded feminist TikTok zombies. You would simply plead guilty and go to
    prison in shame and repentance.

    No actual loving parent would even want to go on living a 'normal life' out
    in
    society after having done something like this. You wouldn't fight for your
    freedom. You wouldn't *desire* freedom. You wouldn't desire anything other
    than to crawl into the darkest hole in the prison that they could give you
    and
    just die as quickly as possible.

    A loving parent on the other side of a catastrophe like this couldn't ever
    find joy or purpose in their life ever again. A loving parent would hate >>>> themselves far more than anyone else could possibly hate them and want to
    see
    themselves punished accordingly.

    But Lindsay Clancy, strangely enough, did not take any of these actions >>>> after
    allegedly coming out of her hormonal fugue. At every point, she did the >>>> opposite.

    In the midst if committing the murders, she calmly took a phone call from
    her
    husband (whom she had sent away on an errand, demonstrating that she was not
    out of her mind at the time; this was all planned with malice aforethought),
    conversed with him normally about mundanities, and then resumed strangling
    her
    children to death after she hung up.

    After completing the murders and allegedly emerging from her hormonal haze,
    she did not attempt to revive her children and she did not call the police
    or
    emergency services. She did not even pick them up and put them in their >>>> beds,
    at least giving them some kind of dignity in death. No, she left them face
    down on a cold basement floor. This "loving mother".

    Then, having strangled three children to death in a methodical, systematic,
    determined manner with exercise bands that collapsed their airways and >>>> forced
    their eyes to bulge from their heads, she suddenly became tentative and >>>> apprehensive when attempting to commit her own suicide. She cut herself >>>> superficially with a knife and for her grand finale, she jumped out of a >>>> 2nd-story window into a pile of snow. True, she paralyzed herself (which may
    turn out to be the only real semblance of justice that emerges from all >>>> this),
    but it's an interesting contrast how brutally successful she was in ending
    her
    children's lives with the half-assed incompetence she displayed when trying
    to
    end her own. Immediately after snuffing the life out of one child after >>>> another with a cold efficiency that would give Hannibal Lecter chills, she
    suddenly transformed into a bumbling incompetent who simply couldn't figure
    out a way to die.

    And then for several years, she has waged a campaign to free herself and >>>> minimize, if not eliminate, her culpability in the triple homicide she >>>> committed. She hired the fanciest defense attorney she could find. When >>>> asked
    by the media how Clancy is doing, he's said multiple times that she's >>>> "nervous
    and scared about the verdict". What would an actual loving mother be nervous
    or scared about in this situation? That would be the reaction of someone >>>> hoping to not be found guilty. Why would a loving mother who knows what she
    did have any desperate hopes for her future at all? At a minimum, wouldn't
    you
    be indifferent to the jury's verdict since your life is ruined and you're
    in a
    living hell no matter what outcome of the trial?

    But she does have hopes for the future, she doesn't believe she's culpable,
    because she's a stone-cold psychopath. And she should be treated like one.

    You're trying to intuit her state of mind at various points. I think
    that's a herculean task ...and maybe even one nobody should attempt.

    Fine, then let's just judge her on her actions alone and throw her into a pit
    and forget about her.

    Do that, but -- and this is the trick for a civilized society -- do it >without rancor. (And I assure you I'm as horrified by her as you are.)


    The excuses people try to make for these kinds of murders have pretty
    much made me emotionally numb. Just how long can one by outraged by
    this level of stupidity?
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Sep 4 11:06:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 9/4/2026 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 16:39:01 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 9/3/2026 3:42 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote in article <117c2ej$3puml$1@dont-email.me>:
    She asked for help, over and over again. She asked to be
    committed to an institution, repeatedly. She was finally
    admitted and quickly hustled back out -- she told them they
    shouldn't discharge her, but they did. She told her own
    doctor that she wasn't safe.

    Which means she knew what she was doing.


    No, it does not. It definitely does *not* mean that she had a
    plan and knew what she was doing and set out to see it through.
    It means pretty much the opposite: that she knew she wasn't
    under control, had already spun out, and desperately wanted
    someone else to prevent her from acting out the horrible visions
    that wouldn't leave her head.

    She certainly needs to be confined and supervised, and there may
    well be no treatment for her, but it's not right to act as if
    she were just evil. This isn't a Susan Smith case. She tried,
    and don't forget that she had to use a sick mind to figure out
    how to seek help. It's the dilemma of the maybe-Alzheimer's
    patient, having to evaluate a deteriorating brain with a
    deteriorating brain.

    Her husband should perhaps get some scrutiny. Seems like he's
    guilty of gross child neglect, given that he knew his wife's
    fragile state and didn't send the kids to his mom.

    One area where I do agree with you is with the women going on
    TikTok to chortle and say that they know how she feels. That's
    not funny. If you genuinely know how she feels, you too need
    some responsible supervision. If you don't, stop trying to act
    like family annihilation is something a normal person might
    understand.

    I don't see how to blame anyone anywhere for failing to prevent an
    act that lies beyond comprehension. Even the professionals who
    sent her home must surely have had their world views obliterated
    by this.


    That sounds like an attempt to excuse the murder of three children
    by their mother.

    It sounds like an attempt to identify hindsight vs. wisdom. And is.

    What a sad world we live in.

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