From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

On 10/4/2026 6:48 AM, heyjoe wrote:

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I am now experimenting with the following two filters to delete messages
from rec.arts.tv. On the following headers,

X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com

X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com

delete the message.

That won't work very well. You should filter on any of the following
headers for better results -
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:

In your case filtering on Message-ID, would be better. For example,
match any of the following - Message-ID - contains - giganews
Drawback - pretty heavy handed filter that will almost certainly get
rid of some wanted posters. But . . . if it works for you -

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using, Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created. And I don't know why.
I've given up on reporting bugs to Mozilla, and I don't know a better
Usenet client for Windows. I even looked in the commercial space, but
that's only for downloading binaries, and not for posting conversations.

So for now I'll just have to live with the spam until I figure something
else out.
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From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using, Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created.

Bottom line (first) - you're filtering on the wrong header. Filter
on Xref - not X-Complaints-To.

The header you are trying to filter on is not available until you
click on an article to read it. By then it's too late to filter on
the X-Complaints-To: header. This method of operation is not unique
to Thunderbird. The X-Complaints-To: header is considered an
"expensive" header because it is not pulled until you pull the entire
article to read it. What you want to do MAY work if you use
Thunderbird as an offline newsreader, but hardly anybody does that
any more.

The headers previously posted are all pulled when you download new
articles, so the filters can do their thing before you try to read an
article. You should filter using those "cheap" headers previously
posted. The following are considered "cheap" headers (aka required
headers) - "From", "Date", "Newsgroups", "Subject", "Message-ID", and
"Path". "Xref" is very often included in the "cheap" headers. But
that depends on how your usenet provider is configured. I cannot
check the Easynews configuration (no account).

Further sugestion - start out marking your unwanted articles as read,
until everything works as desired. Then change to deleting them.

The best free newsreader, IMO, is Fortitude Dialog, version 1541.
But it is ancient, unsupported and hard to find a download. Not sure
how well it works on Windows 11. But still THE best! Pan is pretty
good, but it sucks 4$$ on binaries. slrn is good, but you'll hate
it, as it's not a GUI newsreader. Thunderbird is an email client
that happens to double as a (poor) newsreader.
--
We all know mirrors don't lie.
I'm grateful they don't laugh.
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johann@myrkraverk.invalid wrote:

Dear rec.arts.tv,

I am now experimenting with the following two filters to delete >messages from

rec.arts.tv. On the following headers,

X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com

X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com

I found the best filter is to limit the number of newsfroups in a posting to < 6.
--
Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
love this country.

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From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I am now experimenting with the following two filters to delete messages
from rec.arts.tv. On the following headers,

X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com

X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com

delete the message.

Got a filter to work in Thunderbird that marks read and highlights
posts from giganews.
https://i.postimg.cc/SRfKJhnk/filters-thunderbird.png

Good luck with your quest.
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On 10/5/2026 6:59 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

I'll think about it.  Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using, Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created.  And I don't know why.

You have to be careful with that. There are global filters for all your newsgroups and filters for individual newsgroups.
And there are options to automatically run filters or only manually.
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On Oct 5, 2026, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote
(in article <1CYwS.1837$YWP4.1160@fx08.ams4>):

On 10/4/2026 6:48 AM, heyjoe wrote:

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I am now experimenting with the following two filters to delete messages from rec.arts.tv. On the following headers,

X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com

X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com

delete the message.

That won't work very well. You should filter on any of the following headers for better results -
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:

In your case filtering on Message-ID, would be better. For example,
match any of the following - Message-ID - contains - giganews
Drawback - pretty heavy handed filter that will almost certainly get
rid of some wanted posters. But . . . if it works for you -

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using, Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created. And I don't know why.
I've given up on reporting bugs to Mozilla, and I don't know a better
Usenet client for Windows.

Forte Agent 8.0 is available at
https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
and you may be able to find a download of Free Agent,
which would work fine for text.
--
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“My momma was a waitress; My daddy a truck driver; The thing
that kept their power from them; Slowed me down awhile.” (Ferron)

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On 2026-10-05 10:59 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using, Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created. And I don't know why.

You probably don't have the settings set correctly under the
"Message Filter" settings.

Did you tick the little checkbox on the right side of the screen next to
the name of the filter? It's under the tab labeled "Enabled"

On the "Filter Rules" page you also need to tick both:
"Apply filter when manually run"
"Getting new mail"

And below those, tick: "Match any of the following"

Also indicate that you want to DELETE any spam that matches your filter settings. You can delete by "From" or by "Subject" - those work best.

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On 10/8/2026 6:12 AM, David Dalton wrote:

On Oct 5, 2026, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote
(in article <1CYwS.1837$YWP4.1160@fx08.ams4>):

On 10/4/2026 6:48 AM, heyjoe wrote:

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I am now experimenting with the following two filters to delete messages >>>> from rec.arts.tv. On the following headers,

X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com

X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com

delete the message.

That won't work very well. You should filter on any of the following
headers for better results -
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:

In your case filtering on Message-ID, would be better. For example,
match any of the following - Message-ID - contains - giganews
Drawback - pretty heavy handed filter that will almost certainly get
rid of some wanted posters. But . . . if it works for you -

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using,
Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created. And I don't know why.
I've given up on reporting bugs to Mozilla, and I don't know a better
Usenet client for Windows.

Forte Agent 8.0 is available at
https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
and you may be able to find a download of Free Agent,
which would work fine for text.

Thank you David. This goes in my list of considerations. I don't know
my budget at the moment, but if there's a free client, or a trial period
this will be a delight to test out.


Best wishes, and happy Usenet posts!
--
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I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

On 2026-10-20 13:20:47 +0000, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson said:

On 10/8/2026 6:12 AM, David Dalton wrote:

On Oct 5, 2026, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote
(in article <1CYwS.1837$YWP4.1160@fx08.ams4>):

On 10/4/2026 6:48 AM, heyjoe wrote:

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I am now experimenting with the following two filters to delete messages >>>>> from rec.arts.tv. On the following headers,

X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com

X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com

delete the message.

That won't work very well. You should filter on any of the following
headers for better results -
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:

In your case filtering on Message-ID, would be better. For example,
match any of the following - Message-ID - contains - giganews
Drawback - pretty heavy handed filter that will almost certainly get
rid of some wanted posters. But . . . if it works for you -

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using,
Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created. And I don't know why.
I've given up on reporting bugs to Mozilla, and I don't know a better
Usenet client for Windows.

Forte Agent 8.0 is available at
https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
and you may be able to find a download of Free Agent,
which would work fine for text.

Thank you David. This goes in my list of considerations. I don't know
my budget at the moment, but if there's a free client, or a trial period
this will be a delight to test out.

Best wishes, and happy Usenet posts!

paganini.bofh.team and neodome are two of the most irresponsible Usenet servers in my experience. They're set up so users can be untraceable
(or at least very hard to trace) so they attract a lot of really
malicious posters. Well worth filtering.

Sending any kind of abuse complaint to giganews.com won't get you
anywhere, they're only interested in collecting that monthly fee.
Probably the same with newsdemon since they also charge.

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On 10/6/2026 7:57 PM, heyjoe wrote:

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote :

I'll think about it. Turns out the piece of shit software I'm using,
Thunderbird, doesn't apply the filters I created.

Bottom line (first) - you're filtering on the wrong header. Filter
on Xref - not X-Complaints-To.

The header you are trying to filter on is not available until you
click on an article to read it. By then it's too late to filter on
the X-Complaints-To: header. This method of operation is not unique
to Thunderbird. The X-Complaints-To: header is considered an
"expensive" header because it is not pulled until you pull the entire
article to read it. What you want to do MAY work if you use
Thunderbird as an offline newsreader, but hardly anybody does that
any more.

The headers previously posted are all pulled when you download new
articles, so the filters can do their thing before you try to read an article. You should filter using those "cheap" headers previously
posted. The following are considered "cheap" headers (aka required
headers) - "From", "Date", "Newsgroups", "Subject", "Message-ID", and
"Path". "Xref" is very often included in the "cheap" headers. But
that depends on how your usenet provider is configured. I cannot
check the Easynews configuration (no account).

Further sugestion - start out marking your unwanted articles as read,
until everything works as desired. Then change to deleting them.

The best free newsreader, IMO, is Fortitude Dialog, version 1541.
But it is ancient, unsupported and hard to find a download. Not sure
how well it works on Windows 11. But still THE best! Pan is pretty
good, but it sucks 4$$ on binaries. slrn is good, but you'll hate
it, as it's not a GUI newsreader. Thunderbird is an email client
that happens to double as a (poor) newsreader.

Thank you Joe. This is just a matter of Thunderbird suckage, and full disclosure, I have given up on trying to filter this newsgroups in it.

I took a class in user interfaces, a long time ago, and I didn't fail.
So here are my basic gripes: I should not need to be an expert in the
Usenet protocol to use the software correctly. I should be able to tell trivially if the filter ran at all; "0/321 messages filtered" showing up
in the interface would possibly make me investigate further, but there
isn't and I can tell if the filter is not running, or merely not work-
ing.

I have noticed over the last decade that random features in Firefox have stopped working for an update or two -- one memorable was the HTTP Basic
Auth. I have no reason to believe Thunderbird is any different, and I
have given up on filing bug reports with Mozilla.

So that's it. I will not try to filter more with Thunderbird. Life has
given me a few challenges lately, so I'm not going to switch immediately
to a new newsclient, but it's on the horizon to do so.


Best wishes, and happy TV!
--
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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