• Re: [OT] How the far left media are reporting the FlyDubai hijacking

    From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 6 11:16:32 2026
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    On 10/5/2026 6:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 5, 2026 at 2:50:28 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2026 3:32 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-10-05 11:16 a.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/4/2026 10:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-10-04 5:10 p.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/4/2026 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 4, 2026 at 8:45:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 10/4/2026 5:02 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Oct 3, 2026 at 6:56:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 10/3/2026 6:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Oct 3, 2026 at 3:05:31 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 10/3/2026 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Oct 3, 2026 at 12:40:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
          On 10/3/2026 1:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Oct 3, 2026 at 10:09:26 AM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <no_offline_contact@example.com>
            wrote:
            Leo Kearse shares the news of how far left media
    outlets like the BBC
            are spinning the news of the hijacking and working
    the "far
    right" into
            the story.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpOoI4IsXU [5
    minutes]

            There is simply no limit on how the leftist media
    will try to
    cover for
            their friends in the Red-Green Alliance and attack
    Israel.
            Notice how the BBC has no trouble throwing around
    the label
    "far Right"
        but
            they never refer to the UK government (or anyone
    else, for that
      matter) as
            "far Left" no matter how far to the left they are.
            Same here in America. We're constantly told by the
    legacy corporate
      media
          that
            various conservative pundits and politicians are
    "far Right", but they
        never
            label anyone "far left", even the new crop of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communists like
      Mamdani and
            Bass, and Raman who are being elected in deep blue
    cities. What does
        someone
            actually have to do to get CNN to call them "far
    Left"?

          According to Google's AI, CNN calls these Americans >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'far right':

              • Nick Fuentes: Described by CNN as a far-right
    streamer and
    internet
          personality.
              • Ivan Raiklin: Identified in CNN reporting as a
    far- right activist
          and figure promoting political "retribution" lists and
    conspiracy
          theories regarding the January 6 Capitol attack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>           • Alex Jones: Referred to by CNN as a far-right
    radio host and
          conspiracy theorist.

          Are they wrong?  (I know only Jones, and only from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sandy Hook.)
          The question isn't whether they're wrong, the question
    is why don't they
          consistently (or ever) apply converse "far Left" labels
    to those who
        qualify?

        Google's AI again.  CNN calls these 'far-left': >>>>>>>>>>>>
             • Hasan Piker: A prominent progressive online >>>>>>>>>>>> streamer and political
        commentator whom CNN and other political analysts >>>>>>>>>>>> frequently identify as
        a leading voice and amplifier for the far-left and >>>>>>>>>>>> democratic socialist
        wing of the party.
             • Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and >>>>>>>>>>>> affiliated local
        political candidates (such as New York figures like Zohran
    Mamdani and
        Claire Valdez), who run on platforms advocating for social
    democracy,
        universal healthcare, and heavy taxation of corporate wealth.
             • David Hogg and his political action organization
    Leaders We
        Deserve, which CNN has noted targets moderate or >>>>>>>>>>>> establishment
        Democratic incumbents in primary challenges to promote a >>>>>>>>>>>> younger, more
        left-leaning generation of leadership.
        "A Media Research Center review of CNN, MSNBC, and PBS >>>>>>>>>>> newscasts from 21
        January to 21 June 2025 (the period covering Mamdani's >>>>>>>>>>> primary rise) found
        those networks used “far-right” or similar labels 1,222
    times and
    “far-left”
        86 times. Across the three, Democrats were called “far- >>>>>>>>>>> left” only once."

      I was able to Google this:

            "The Media Research Center (MRC) is transparent about
    its bias. Its
      homepage states (retrieved Dec. 8, 2022), "The mission of The >>>>>>>>>> Media
      Research Center is to document and combat the falsehoods and >>>>>>>>>> censorship
      of the news media, entertainment media and Big Tech in order >>>>>>>>>> to defend
      and preserve America's founding principles and Judeo-Christian >>>>>>>>>> values."
      Whatever bias that may be, the only relevant question is are >>>>>>>>> their numbers
      wrong?

    Well, where there's demonstrable (and, here, acknowledged) bias, you >>>>>>>> have to reserve certainty.  Meanwhile, though, Google does say: >>>>>>>>
         "Yes, CNN mentions "far-right" significantly more often than
    "far-left.""

    Okay, and since it's the far-Left that's significantly more
    dangerous to life
    and limb-- e.g., the far-Right has nothing on its resume comparable >>>>>>> to the
    2020 celebration of Saint Floyd of Fentanyl (may peace be upon >>>>>>> him)-- this
    sort of behavior by the media would make them not just wrong but a >>>>>>> threat to
    the fabric of society.

    The question (well, *a* question) is whether lopsided mentions might >>>>>> just owe to reader-attention.  While it's true that both right and >>>>>> left have scary histories, Hitler is still the bogeyman de
    résistance...

    Hitler was indeed vile but Stalin and Mao killed far more of their >>>>> own people and Pol Pot killed a larger percentage of his own people >>>>> than either Hitler, Stalin or Mao. But the lion's share of
    discussions of the worst monsters typically puts places Hitler as the >>>>> worst of the worst. That ignorance of reality has always felt
    calculated somehow, as if apologists for the Left were carefully
    focusing on Hitler and then changing the subject before the others >>>>> could even be discussed.

    The issue here isn't the actual history, but the popular perception. >>>> There's a reason for Godwin's Law.

    The popular perception is *wrong*. But of course you'd never do anything >>> to change that since it is in your favour. The average person thinks
    Hitler is the worst human being ever and no one could be worse so it
    seems logical to deduce that leftist dictators were somehow less bad.
    That kind of reasoning clearly works in favour of the Left.

    "Popular perception", more than bias (or me) guides content editors.

    When they should be guided by factual truth. You're making my case for me.

    That's a moral "should". But one of the costs of capitalism is that the profit motive eventually worms its way into everything.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 6 11:30:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 10/5/2026 6:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 5, 2026 at 3:08:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    I asked Google:

    Just to nip in the bud this "I asked Google" trend you seem to have instituted
    for your every response these days:

    Don't bother. I don't trust Google. I've caught Google (and several other AIs)
    in basic factual errors and outright lies in the past, so quoting to me what some bot vomited forth doesn't win you any points. (Months back I asked the Google AI how many Rs there are in the word "strawberry" and it told me there are two Rs and was immune to argument to the contrary.)

    When you can ask for a picture of the Founding Fathers and it gives you a picture consisting wholly of black people and for good measure it includes some women in the graoup portrait also, the AI's factual credibility is destroyed. That tells me every answer it gives passes through a DEI approval process first and if it fails, the facts are "adjusted" accordingly.

    I thought we'd established that I consider Google (and LLMs) as no more authoritative than you do. I use/cite it only as evidence of an at
    least somewhat popular train of thought (...including many I question).
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 6 16:38:21 2026
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    On Oct 6, 2026 at 8:16:32 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2026 6:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 5, 2026 at 2:50:28 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2026 3:32 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-10-05 11:16 a.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/4/2026 10:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-10-04 5:10 p.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/4/2026 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 4, 2026 at 8:45:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 10/4/2026 5:02 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Oct 3, 2026 at 6:56:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 10/3/2026 6:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Oct 3, 2026 at 3:05:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 10/3/2026 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Oct 3, 2026 at 12:40:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
          On 10/3/2026 1:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Oct 3, 2026 at 10:09:26 AM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <no_offline_contact@example.com>
            wrote:
            Leo Kearse shares the news of how far left media
    outlets like the BBC
            are spinning the news of the hijacking and working
    the "far
    right" into
            the story.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpOoI4IsXU [5
    minutes]

            There is simply no limit on how the leftist media
    will try to
    cover for
            their friends in the Red-Green Alliance and attack
    Israel.
            Notice how the BBC has no trouble throwing around
    the label
    "far Right"
        but
            they never refer to the UK government (or anyone
    else, for that
      matter) as
            "far Left" no matter how far to the left they are.
            Same here in America. We're constantly told by the
    legacy corporate
      media
          that
            various conservative pundits and politicians are
    "far Right", but they
        never
            label anyone "far left", even the new crop of
    communists like
      Mamdani and
            Bass, and Raman who are being elected in deep blue
    cities. What does
        someone
            actually have to do to get CNN to call them "far
    Left"?

          According to Google's AI, CNN calls these Americans
    'far right':

              • Nick Fuentes: Described by CNN as a far-right
    streamer and
    internet
          personality.
              • Ivan Raiklin: Identified in CNN reporting as a
    far- right activist
          and figure promoting political "retribution" lists and
    conspiracy
          theories regarding the January 6 Capitol attack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           • Alex Jones: Referred to by CNN as a far-right
    radio host and
          conspiracy theorist.

          Are they wrong?  (I know only Jones, and only from
    Sandy Hook.)
          The question isn't whether they're wrong, the question
    is why don't they
          consistently (or ever) apply converse "far Left" labels
    to those who
        qualify?

        Google's AI again.  CNN calls these 'far-left': >>>>>>>>>>>>>
             • Hasan Piker: A prominent progressive online
    streamer and political
        commentator whom CNN and other political analysts >>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently identify as
        a leading voice and amplifier for the far-left and >>>>>>>>>>>>> democratic socialist
        wing of the party.
             • Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and
    affiliated local
        political candidates (such as New York figures like Zohran
    Mamdani and
        Claire Valdez), who run on platforms advocating for social
    democracy,
        universal healthcare, and heavy taxation of corporate wealth.
             • David Hogg and his political action organization
    Leaders We
        Deserve, which CNN has noted targets moderate or >>>>>>>>>>>>> establishment
        Democratic incumbents in primary challenges to promote a
    younger, more
        left-leaning generation of leadership.
        "A Media Research Center review of CNN, MSNBC, and PBS >>>>>>>>>>>> newscasts from 21
        January to 21 June 2025 (the period covering Mamdani's >>>>>>>>>>>> primary rise) found
        those networks used “far-right” or similar labels 1,222
    times and
    “far-left”
        86 times. Across the three, Democrats were called “far-
    left” only once."

      I was able to Google this:

            "The Media Research Center (MRC) is transparent about
    its bias. Its
      homepage states (retrieved Dec. 8, 2022), "The mission of The >>>>>>>>>>> Media
      Research Center is to document and combat the falsehoods and >>>>>>>>>>> censorship
      of the news media, entertainment media and Big Tech in order >>>>>>>>>>> to defend
      and preserve America's founding principles and Judeo-Christian
    values."
      Whatever bias that may be, the only relevant question is are >>>>>>>>>> their numbers
      wrong?

    Well, where there's demonstrable (and, here, acknowledged) bias, you
    have to reserve certainty.  Meanwhile, though, Google does say: >>>>>>>>>
         "Yes, CNN mentions "far-right" significantly more often than
    "far-left.""

    Okay, and since it's the far-Left that's significantly more >>>>>>>> dangerous to life
    and limb-- e.g., the far-Right has nothing on its resume comparable >>>>>>>> to the
    2020 celebration of Saint Floyd of Fentanyl (may peace be upon >>>>>>>> him)-- this
    sort of behavior by the media would make them not just wrong but a >>>>>>>> threat to
    the fabric of society.

    The question (well, *a* question) is whether lopsided mentions might >>>>>>> just owe to reader-attention.  While it's true that both right and >>>>>>> left have scary histories, Hitler is still the bogeyman de
    résistance...

    Hitler was indeed vile but Stalin and Mao killed far more of their >>>>>> own people and Pol Pot killed a larger percentage of his own people >>>>>> than either Hitler, Stalin or Mao. But the lion's share of
    discussions of the worst monsters typically puts places Hitler as the >>>>>> worst of the worst. That ignorance of reality has always felt
    calculated somehow, as if apologists for the Left were carefully >>>>>> focusing on Hitler and then changing the subject before the others >>>>>> could even be discussed.

    The issue here isn't the actual history, but the popular perception. >>>>> There's a reason for Godwin's Law.

    The popular perception is *wrong*. But of course you'd never do anything
    to change that since it is in your favour. The average person thinks >>>> Hitler is the worst human being ever and no one could be worse so it >>>> seems logical to deduce that leftist dictators were somehow less bad. >>>> That kind of reasoning clearly works in favour of the Left.

    "Popular perception", more than bias (or me) guides content editors.

    When they should be guided by factual truth. You're making my case for me.

    That's a moral "should". But one of the costs of capitalism is that the profit motive eventually worms its way into everything.

    And with collectivism, the media lies are directly mandated from the top down by a state that runs the media.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 6 13:40:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 10/6/2026 12:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 6, 2026 at 8:16:32 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2026 6:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 5, 2026 at 2:50:28 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 10/5/2026 3:32 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-10-05 11:16 a.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/4/2026 10:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-10-04 5:10 p.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/4/2026 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 4, 2026 at 8:45:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 10/4/2026 5:02 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Oct 3, 2026 at 6:56:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 10/3/2026 6:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Oct 3, 2026 at 3:05:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 10/3/2026 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Oct 3, 2026 at 12:40:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
          On 10/3/2026 1:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Oct 3, 2026 at 10:09:26 AM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <no_offline_contact@example.com>
            wrote:
            Leo Kearse shares the news of how far left media
    outlets like the BBC
            are spinning the news of the hijacking and working
    the "far
    right" into
            the story.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpOoI4IsXU [5
    minutes]

            There is simply no limit on how the leftist media
    will try to
    cover for
            their friends in the Red-Green Alliance and attack
    Israel.
            Notice how the BBC has no trouble throwing around
    the label
    "far Right"
        but
            they never refer to the UK government (or anyone
    else, for that
      matter) as
            "far Left" no matter how far to the left they are.
            Same here in America. We're constantly told by the
    legacy corporate
      media
          that
            various conservative pundits and politicians are
    "far Right", but they
        never
            label anyone "far left", even the new crop of
    communists like
      Mamdani and
            Bass, and Raman who are being elected in deep blue
    cities. What does
        someone
            actually have to do to get CNN to call them "far
    Left"?

          According to Google's AI, CNN calls these Americans
    'far right':

              • Nick Fuentes: Described by CNN as a far-right
    streamer and
    internet
          personality.
              • Ivan Raiklin: Identified in CNN reporting as a
    far- right activist
          and figure promoting political "retribution" lists and
    conspiracy
          theories regarding the January 6 Capitol attack.
              • Alex Jones: Referred to by CNN as a far-right
    radio host and
          conspiracy theorist.

          Are they wrong?  (I know only Jones, and only from
    Sandy Hook.)
          The question isn't whether they're wrong, the question
    is why don't they
          consistently (or ever) apply converse "far Left" labels
    to those who
        qualify?

        Google's AI again.  CNN calls these 'far-left': >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
             • Hasan Piker: A prominent progressive online
    streamer and political
        commentator whom CNN and other political analysts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently identify as
        a leading voice and amplifier for the far-left and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> democratic socialist
        wing of the party.
             • Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and
    affiliated local
        political candidates (such as New York figures like Zohran
    Mamdani and
        Claire Valdez), who run on platforms advocating for social
    democracy,
        universal healthcare, and heavy taxation of corporate wealth.
             • David Hogg and his political action organization
    Leaders We
        Deserve, which CNN has noted targets moderate or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> establishment
        Democratic incumbents in primary challenges to promote a
    younger, more
        left-leaning generation of leadership.
        "A Media Research Center review of CNN, MSNBC, and PBS >>>>>>>>>>>>> newscasts from 21
        January to 21 June 2025 (the period covering Mamdani's >>>>>>>>>>>>> primary rise) found
        those networks used “far-right” or similar labels 1,222
    times and
    “far-left”
        86 times. Across the three, Democrats were called “far-
    left” only once."

      I was able to Google this:

            "The Media Research Center (MRC) is transparent about
    its bias. Its
      homepage states (retrieved Dec. 8, 2022), "The mission of The
    Media
      Research Center is to document and combat the falsehoods and
    censorship
      of the news media, entertainment media and Big Tech in order
    to defend
      and preserve America's founding principles and Judeo-Christian
    values."
      Whatever bias that may be, the only relevant question is are >>>>>>>>>>> their numbers
      wrong?

    Well, where there's demonstrable (and, here, acknowledged) bias, you
    have to reserve certainty.  Meanwhile, though, Google does say: >>>>>>>>>>
         "Yes, CNN mentions "far-right" significantly more often than
    "far-left.""

    Okay, and since it's the far-Left that's significantly more >>>>>>>>> dangerous to life
    and limb-- e.g., the far-Right has nothing on its resume comparable
    to the
    2020 celebration of Saint Floyd of Fentanyl (may peace be upon >>>>>>>>> him)-- this
    sort of behavior by the media would make them not just wrong but a
    threat to
    the fabric of society.

    The question (well, *a* question) is whether lopsided mentions might
    just owe to reader-attention.  While it's true that both right and
    left have scary histories, Hitler is still the bogeyman de >>>>>>>> résistance...

    Hitler was indeed vile but Stalin and Mao killed far more of their >>>>>>> own people and Pol Pot killed a larger percentage of his own people >>>>>>> than either Hitler, Stalin or Mao. But the lion's share of
    discussions of the worst monsters typically puts places Hitler as the
    worst of the worst. That ignorance of reality has always felt >>>>>>> calculated somehow, as if apologists for the Left were carefully >>>>>>> focusing on Hitler and then changing the subject before the others >>>>>>> could even be discussed.

    The issue here isn't the actual history, but the popular perception. >>>>>> There's a reason for Godwin's Law.

    The popular perception is *wrong*. But of course you'd never do anything
    to change that since it is in your favour. The average person thinks >>>>> Hitler is the worst human being ever and no one could be worse so it >>>>> seems logical to deduce that leftist dictators were somehow less bad. >>>>> That kind of reasoning clearly works in favour of the Left.

    "Popular perception", more than bias (or me) guides content editors.

    When they should be guided by factual truth. You're making my case for me.

    That's a moral "should". But one of the costs of capitalism is that the
    profit motive eventually worms its way into everything.

    And with collectivism, the media lies are directly mandated from the top down by a state that runs the media.

    Seems there should be a Door number three, doesn't it?


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