• Social worker perplexed by hospital bill for normal birth

    From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 9 09:02:37 2026
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    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 9 11:15:33 2026
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    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost. I wonder what Doc Adams charged in Gunsmoke when he had to deliver a baby? $10? A side of beef
    if the person was broke? Of course there has been a lot of inflation
    since those days and Adams would probably have been unable to save a
    premature baby or treat things that are fairly routine now but $95,000
    seems beyond excessive.

    It seems absurd that a newborn entered a contract so I'm assuming that
    was just the way the billing process works so that they can distinguish
    costs incurred to treat the mother and baby.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From BTR1701@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 9 16:13:19 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 12 15:02:04 2026
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    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 12 19:12:56 2026
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    On 2026-10-12 6:02 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the >> bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare. >>

    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    $100,000? Do you mean YOU are going to have to pay all of that or does
    the insurance cover most of it?
    --
    Rhino
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  • From BTR1701@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 03:27:41 2026
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    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the >> bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare. >>

    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the physical therapy afterward.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 08:13:53 2026
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    On 2026-10-12 11:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the >>> bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare. >>>

    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the physical therapy afterward.

    Did you have health insurance to cover most of that or was that all out-of-pocket expense? I'm guessing that you don't have ongoing
    insurance from the USSS after your retirement. You haven't mentioned
    another job beyond engraving so I'm guessing coming up with $87K from
    your pension and whatever you make from engraving wasn't particularly
    easy....
    --
    Rhino
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  • From BTR1701@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 18:01:35 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-12 11:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. >>> Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.

    Did you have health insurance to cover most of that or was that all out-of-pocket expense? I'm guessing that you don't have ongoing
    insurance from the USSS after your retirement. You haven't mentioned
    another job beyond engraving so I'm guessing coming up with $87K from
    your pension and whatever you make from engraving wasn't particularly easy....

    I get federal health insurance for life. My compensation for being required
    to throw myself in front of a bullet for a politician.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 14:59:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-13 2:01 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-12 11:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something >>>> else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to >>>> take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for >>>> three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. >>>> Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I >>> just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add >>> thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the >>> physical therapy afterward.

    Did you have health insurance to cover most of that or was that all
    out-of-pocket expense? I'm guessing that you don't have ongoing
    insurance from the USSS after your retirement. You haven't mentioned
    another job beyond engraving so I'm guessing coming up with $87K from
    your pension and whatever you make from engraving wasn't particularly
    easy....

    I get federal health insurance for life. My compensation for being required to throw myself in front of a bullet for a politician.

    It's very good to hear that they take care of you like that. I can well imagine how hard it would be to come up with $87K suddenly. If I ever
    find myself in your country again, I will remember to get some
    traveller's insurance!
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 21:17:34 2026
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    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I get federal health insurance for life. My compensation for being required >to throw myself in front of a bullet for a politician.

    You also worked in violation of the 13th Amendment during shutdowns.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 17:46:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-12 6:02 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the >>> bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare. >>>

    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    $100,000? Do you mean YOU are going to have to pay all of that or does
    the insurance cover most of it?


    Hopefully the insurance will cover most of it. But that doesn’t include
    tests and MRIs and stuff. All sorts of separate bills keep trickling in.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 17:46:35 2026
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    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the >>> bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare. >>>

    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or
    anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 13 21:54:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. >>> Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or
    anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....
    --
    Rhino
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Wed Oct 14 16:24:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something >>>> else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to >>>> take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for >>>> three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. >>>> Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I >>> just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add >>> thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the >>> physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that >> much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or
    anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the >> stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years sooner than I thought I would.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Oct 14 22:34:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-12 6:02 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. >>> Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    $100,000? Do you mean YOU are going to have to pay all of that or does
    the insurance cover most of it?


    Hopefully the insurance will cover most of it. But that doesn’t include tests and MRIs and stuff. All sorts of separate bills keep trickling in.

    Medical care is clearly a serious cost on your side of the border. I
    don't envy you that. Then again, you can probably get a given treatment
    or test pretty much immediately when you need one instead of having to
    wait many months for (nearly) "free" care. Tradeoffs....
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Oct 15 10:18:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate >>>>>>>> billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something >>>>> else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to >>>>> take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for >>>>> three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up. >>>>> Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I >>>> just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add >>>> thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the >>>> physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or
    anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the >>> stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and >>> it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money.... >>

    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.
    --
    Rhino
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Thu Oct 15 19:27:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's >>>>>>>> obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment >>>>>>>> but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something >>>>>> else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to >>>>>> take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for >>>>>> three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I >>>>> just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add >>>>> thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that
    officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the >>>>> physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or
    anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the >>>> stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go >>>> outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and >>>> it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years >> sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the hell procedure it was.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 08:15:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost >>>>>>>>> for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something >>>>>>> else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to >>>>>>> take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for >>>>>>> three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I >>>>>> just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add >>>>>> thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or
    anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go >>>>> outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and >>>>> it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years >>> sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of
    some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic
    medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get
    paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.
    --
    Rhino
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 06:16:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something >>>>>>>> else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for >>>>>>>> three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal
    endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or >>>>>> anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go >>>>>> outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years >>>> sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt >> collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get
    paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.



    Agreed
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 18:51:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-16 9:16 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal >>>>>>>> endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or >>>>>>> anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go >>>>>>> outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years
    sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt >>> collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of
    some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic
    medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get
    paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.



    Agreed

    Make them prove they have a legitimate bill that they're collecting on.
    An itemized bill stating a date and medical practitioner should be
    easily verifiable by you: you'll know if you've ever seen Dr. X and
    whether you had been in his office on such-and-such a day. I'm not sure
    what happens for a hospital stay in the US. Does the hospital send you a single bill listing all the different doctors who treated you or does
    each doctor bill you separately? I can imagine situations where a doctor treated you in hospital without you meeting them and not recognizing
    their name but the hospital should be able to verify that Dr. X had
    treated you and was accredited at the hospital.

    I had a call once that claimed to be about inappropriate charges on my
    credit card. I smelled a rat right away and asked them to tell me my
    credit card number. He told me the first 4 digits, a pattern that is
    widely used across Canada, so I pointed that out and asked him for the
    rest. The actual credit card company would know my credit card number
    but he was a scammer so he didn't. He said he couldn't tell me "for
    privacy reasons". That immediately confirmed my suspicion that he was a scammer. I actually called him a liar and then asked him what was next.
    He had me go to a website that asked for my name, credit card number,
    expiry date and the secret code. I'd seen warnings about that exact
    scam: they have you enter all your information and then they drain your account. Naturally, I hung up without filling anything in.

    Anytime someone calls with some story, figure out if they're legit by
    asking them something they'd know if they were legit. If they can't (or
    won't) answer, you know they are bogus.
    --
    Rhino
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 17:45:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-16 9:16 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby >>>>>>>>>>>>> entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal >>>>>>>>> endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or >>>>>>>> anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years
    sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt
    collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of >>> some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic
    medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get
    paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.



    Agreed

    Make them prove they have a legitimate bill that they're collecting on.
    An itemized bill stating a date and medical practitioner should be
    easily verifiable by you: you'll know if you've ever seen Dr. X and
    whether you had been in his office on such-and-such a day. I'm not sure
    what happens for a hospital stay in the US. Does the hospital send you a single bill listing all the different doctors who treated you or does
    each doctor bill you separately? I can imagine situations where a doctor treated you in hospital without you meeting them and not recognizing
    their name but the hospital should be able to verify that Dr. X had
    treated you and was accredited at the hospital.


    I spent in total six of the last 24 months in hospitals and care
    facilities. Everything is billed separately. Every Dr every procedure, the hospital, transport, everything. Whether or not the procedure is done in
    the hospital or not. Doctors you never saw.

    I had a call once that claimed to be about inappropriate charges on my credit card. I smelled a rat right away and asked them to tell me my
    credit card number. He told me the first 4 digits, a pattern that is
    widely used across Canada, so I pointed that out and asked him for the
    rest. The actual credit card company would know my credit card number
    but he was a scammer so he didn't. He said he couldn't tell me "for
    privacy reasons". That immediately confirmed my suspicion that he was a scammer. I actually called him a liar and then asked him what was next.
    He had me go to a website that asked for my name, credit card number,
    expiry date and the secret code. I'd seen warnings about that exact
    scam: they have you enter all your information and then they drain your account. Naturally, I hung up without filling anything in.

    Anytime someone calls with some story, figure out if they're legit by
    asking them something they'd know if they were legit. If they can't (or won't) answer, you know they are bogus.

    I get according to caller ID at least one call every workday from Humana,
    my insurance company. Most of them are hangups. But when I do talk to
    somebody, the first thing they insist is that I identify myself even though they called me. They want me to give them all the personal information that we’re told not to give out. And I refuse and the call ends there.

    Their automated systems will leave voicemails, but they just say they have important information for me and they’ll call back later.

    The few times I’ve talked to them. It’s just been to tell me I need to renew a prescription (and terrifyingly they’ll be wrong and I’ll have a full bottle of whatever drug they’re saying I need to get more of) or
    should have a regular check up for my eyes or something. Or they’ll be
    trying to get me to switch services like to their own in-house pharmacy.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 21:11:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-16 8:45 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-16 9:16 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal >>>>>>>>>> endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or >>>>>>>>> anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years
    sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt
    collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of >>>> some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic >>>> medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get
    paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.



    Agreed

    Make them prove they have a legitimate bill that they're collecting on.
    An itemized bill stating a date and medical practitioner should be
    easily verifiable by you: you'll know if you've ever seen Dr. X and
    whether you had been in his office on such-and-such a day. I'm not sure
    what happens for a hospital stay in the US. Does the hospital send you a
    single bill listing all the different doctors who treated you or does
    each doctor bill you separately? I can imagine situations where a doctor
    treated you in hospital without you meeting them and not recognizing
    their name but the hospital should be able to verify that Dr. X had
    treated you and was accredited at the hospital.


    I spent in total six of the last 24 months in hospitals and care
    facilities. Everything is billed separately. Every Dr every procedure, the hospital, transport, everything. Whether or not the procedure is done in
    the hospital or not. Doctors you never saw.

    I had a call once that claimed to be about inappropriate charges on my
    credit card. I smelled a rat right away and asked them to tell me my
    credit card number. He told me the first 4 digits, a pattern that is
    widely used across Canada, so I pointed that out and asked him for the
    rest. The actual credit card company would know my credit card number
    but he was a scammer so he didn't. He said he couldn't tell me "for
    privacy reasons". That immediately confirmed my suspicion that he was a
    scammer. I actually called him a liar and then asked him what was next.
    He had me go to a website that asked for my name, credit card number,
    expiry date and the secret code. I'd seen warnings about that exact
    scam: they have you enter all your information and then they drain your
    account. Naturally, I hung up without filling anything in.

    Anytime someone calls with some story, figure out if they're legit by
    asking them something they'd know if they were legit. If they can't (or
    won't) answer, you know they are bogus.

    I get according to caller ID at least one call every workday from Humana,
    my insurance company. Most of them are hangups. But when I do talk to somebody, the first thing they insist is that I identify myself even though they called me. They want me to give them all the personal information that we’re told not to give out. And I refuse and the call ends there.

    Phone spoofing is a modern day scourge. If you could count on the call actually being from whatever the call display says, that would be great
    but a whole lot of bad guys know how to make their call look like its
    coming from someone legit. You can't trust anyone....

    Their automated systems will leave voicemails, but they just say they have important information for me and they’ll call back later.

    The few times I’ve talked to them. It’s just been to tell me I need to renew a prescription (and terrifyingly they’ll be wrong and I’ll have a full bottle of whatever drug they’re saying I need to get more of) or should have a regular check up for my eyes or something. Or they’ll be trying to get me to switch services like to their own in-house pharmacy.


    I'm averaging one call a day that the phone itself says is probably
    spam. A good percentage of them are from "Scotiabank Insurance", which
    I've never dealt with. I either decline those calls or let them go to voicemail but there's never a message. I'm surprised by their
    persistence; you'd think they'd take the hint that I don't want to talk
    to them. Maybe it's some kind of automated system that doesn't have the
    smarts to notice the pattern....
    --
    Rhino
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  • From shawn@nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 21:28:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 21:11:38 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-10-16 8:45 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-16 9:16 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>>>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal >>>>>>>>>>> endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or >>>>>>>>>> anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years
    sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt
    collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of >>>>> some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic >>>>> medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get >>>>> paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.



    Agreed

    Make them prove they have a legitimate bill that they're collecting on.
    An itemized bill stating a date and medical practitioner should be
    easily verifiable by you: you'll know if you've ever seen Dr. X and
    whether you had been in his office on such-and-such a day. I'm not sure
    what happens for a hospital stay in the US. Does the hospital send you a >>> single bill listing all the different doctors who treated you or does
    each doctor bill you separately? I can imagine situations where a doctor >>> treated you in hospital without you meeting them and not recognizing
    their name but the hospital should be able to verify that Dr. X had
    treated you and was accredited at the hospital.


    I spent in total six of the last 24 months in hospitals and care
    facilities. Everything is billed separately. Every Dr every procedure, the >> hospital, transport, everything. Whether or not the procedure is done in
    the hospital or not. Doctors you never saw.

    I had a call once that claimed to be about inappropriate charges on my
    credit card. I smelled a rat right away and asked them to tell me my
    credit card number. He told me the first 4 digits, a pattern that is
    widely used across Canada, so I pointed that out and asked him for the
    rest. The actual credit card company would know my credit card number
    but he was a scammer so he didn't. He said he couldn't tell me "for
    privacy reasons". That immediately confirmed my suspicion that he was a
    scammer. I actually called him a liar and then asked him what was next.
    He had me go to a website that asked for my name, credit card number,
    expiry date and the secret code. I'd seen warnings about that exact
    scam: they have you enter all your information and then they drain your
    account. Naturally, I hung up without filling anything in.

    Anytime someone calls with some story, figure out if they're legit by
    asking them something they'd know if they were legit. If they can't (or
    won't) answer, you know they are bogus.

    I get according to caller ID at least one call every workday from Humana,
    my insurance company. Most of them are hangups. But when I do talk to
    somebody, the first thing they insist is that I identify myself even though >> they called me. They want me to give them all the personal information that >> we’re told not to give out. And I refuse and the call ends there.

    Phone spoofing is a modern day scourge. If you could count on the call >actually being from whatever the call display says, that would be great
    but a whole lot of bad guys know how to make their call look like its
    coming from someone legit. You can't trust anyone....

    Their automated systems will leave voicemails, but they just say they have >> important information for me and they’ll call back later.

    The few times I’ve talked to them. It’s just been to tell me I need to >> renew a prescription (and terrifyingly they’ll be wrong and I’ll have a >> full bottle of whatever drug they’re saying I need to get more of) or
    should have a regular check up for my eyes or something. Or they’ll be
    trying to get me to switch services like to their own in-house pharmacy.


    I'm averaging one call a day that the phone itself says is probably
    spam. A good percentage of them are from "Scotiabank Insurance", which
    I've never dealt with. I either decline those calls or let them go to >voicemail but there's never a message. I'm surprised by their
    persistence; you'd think they'd take the hint that I don't want to talk
    to them. Maybe it's some kind of automated system that doesn't have the >smarts to notice the pattern....

    That reminds of this call that I would get every day for weeks on end.
    It would always be the same guy opening up with "Shawn?" like he knows
    me. Turns out he was trying to collect for some fire fighters charity.
    At first I would just tell him no thanks, then it turned to 'please
    remove me from your lift' to me refusing to pick up the phone.
    Especially when they started calling at different hours, sometimes at
    8AM or noon or 8PM. Luckily the call is marked as spam, most of the
    time, but coming from many different numbers.

    If you are forced to spoof your phone number because people don't want
    to talk to you, perhaps you are doing something wrong.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Oct 16 22:58:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 2026-10-16 9:28 p.m., shawn wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 21:11:38 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-10-16 8:45 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-16 9:16 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-15 10:27 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-14 7:24 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-13 8:46 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-10-09 5:02 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Best part is hospital established newborn as new patient with separate
    billing account from mother. I'm a little confused about how baby
    entered into that contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qsk2CODPf7o

    $95,000 to deliver a baby with no complications or emergencies? That's
    obscene to my way of thinking. I get that there is going to be a cost
    for operating a hospital, paying skilled staff and expensive equipment
    but that just seems way WAY too much of a cost.

    The first three grand is for the birth. The other $92,000 is you paying the
    bills for the dozens of illegals sitting in the ER getting free healthcare.


    I stroked out six months ago in a care facility I was in for something
    else. It cost me $1000 (my share, after Insurance) for the ambulance to
    take me next-door to the hospital. I was in a tiny triangular room for
    three days while they waited for the stroke recovery hospital to open up.
    Just got the bill. Over $100,000.

    I declined an ambulance ride to the ER after I broke my arm last year. I
    just drove myself one-handed because I knew that the ambulance would add
    thousands to the bill.

    Even so after all the exams, X-rays, splints, and the surgery that >>>>>>>>>>>> officially turned me into a cyborg (living tissue over a metal >>>>>>>>>>>> endoskelton), the total cost was $87,000. And that doesn't even count the
    physical therapy afterward.


    Humana said the ambulance ride should’ve cost 200 bucks and they paid that
    much.

    That was just three days of the in-between hospital and no tests or >>>>>>>>>>> anything. I have no idea how much I owe yet. Then I spent six weeks in the
    stroke recovery hospital. That’s where I got physical therapy. Mostly in my
    room because I tested positive for the flu and I wasn’t allowed to go
    outside and they had to go up and come in and work me out in my room, and
    it all looked like the Andromeda strain.

    Do you have insurance to cover all that? That's a heck of a lot of money....


    I have pretty good insurance, but still I’m gonna run out of money years
    sooner than I thought I would.

    I'm really sorry to hear that.


    I just got an email from Sonoran medical imaging that says they’re a debt
    collector and I haven’t paid for a procedure and I don’t even know what the
    hell procedure it was.

    If they can't give you that information, they might be running a scam of >>>>>> some kind. They might have generated a list of people who have chronic >>>>>> medical issues then hit them up for bill payments that might just get >>>>>> paid by someone who is used to getting medical bills.



    Agreed

    Make them prove they have a legitimate bill that they're collecting on. >>>> An itemized bill stating a date and medical practitioner should be
    easily verifiable by you: you'll know if you've ever seen Dr. X and
    whether you had been in his office on such-and-such a day. I'm not sure >>>> what happens for a hospital stay in the US. Does the hospital send you a >>>> single bill listing all the different doctors who treated you or does
    each doctor bill you separately? I can imagine situations where a doctor >>>> treated you in hospital without you meeting them and not recognizing
    their name but the hospital should be able to verify that Dr. X had
    treated you and was accredited at the hospital.


    I spent in total six of the last 24 months in hospitals and care
    facilities. Everything is billed separately. Every Dr every procedure, the >>> hospital, transport, everything. Whether or not the procedure is done in >>> the hospital or not. Doctors you never saw.

    I had a call once that claimed to be about inappropriate charges on my >>>> credit card. I smelled a rat right away and asked them to tell me my
    credit card number. He told me the first 4 digits, a pattern that is
    widely used across Canada, so I pointed that out and asked him for the >>>> rest. The actual credit card company would know my credit card number
    but he was a scammer so he didn't. He said he couldn't tell me "for
    privacy reasons". That immediately confirmed my suspicion that he was a >>>> scammer. I actually called him a liar and then asked him what was next. >>>> He had me go to a website that asked for my name, credit card number,
    expiry date and the secret code. I'd seen warnings about that exact
    scam: they have you enter all your information and then they drain your >>>> account. Naturally, I hung up without filling anything in.

    Anytime someone calls with some story, figure out if they're legit by
    asking them something they'd know if they were legit. If they can't (or >>>> won't) answer, you know they are bogus.

    I get according to caller ID at least one call every workday from Humana, >>> my insurance company. Most of them are hangups. But when I do talk to
    somebody, the first thing they insist is that I identify myself even though >>> they called me. They want me to give them all the personal information that >>> we’re told not to give out. And I refuse and the call ends there.

    Phone spoofing is a modern day scourge. If you could count on the call
    actually being from whatever the call display says, that would be great
    but a whole lot of bad guys know how to make their call look like its
    coming from someone legit. You can't trust anyone....

    Their automated systems will leave voicemails, but they just say they have >>> important information for me and they’ll call back later.

    The few times I’ve talked to them. It’s just been to tell me I need to >>> renew a prescription (and terrifyingly they’ll be wrong and I’ll have a >>> full bottle of whatever drug they’re saying I need to get more of) or
    should have a regular check up for my eyes or something. Or they’ll be >>> trying to get me to switch services like to their own in-house pharmacy. >>>

    I'm averaging one call a day that the phone itself says is probably
    spam. A good percentage of them are from "Scotiabank Insurance", which
    I've never dealt with. I either decline those calls or let them go to
    voicemail but there's never a message. I'm surprised by their
    persistence; you'd think they'd take the hint that I don't want to talk
    to them. Maybe it's some kind of automated system that doesn't have the
    smarts to notice the pattern....

    That reminds of this call that I would get every day for weeks on end.
    It would always be the same guy opening up with "Shawn?" like he knows
    me. Turns out he was trying to collect for some fire fighters charity.

    Be careful answering the phone with strangers. I heard about one scam
    where the whole object is to get you to clearly say "Yes" - and maybe
    your name; once they have that, they can take out loans in your name or something potentially expensive like that. (I don't remember the details
    of how this scam works.)

    At first I would just tell him no thanks, then it turned to 'please
    remove me from your lift' to me refusing to pick up the phone.
    Especially when they started calling at different hours, sometimes at
    8AM or noon or 8PM. Luckily the call is marked as spam, most of the
    time, but coming from many different numbers.

    If you are forced to spoof your phone number because people don't want
    to talk to you, perhaps you are doing something wrong.

    Or that they are scammers.
    --
    Rhino
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