• Re: Warmest Aug on record; ties Jul '23 for warmest month --Copernicus

    From multistrada@ab@in.valid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology,rec.food.cooking on Mon Oct 12 13:19:54 2026
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    On 10/1/26 5:46 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    nym #117 wrote:
    |On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 22:05:31 -0500
    |Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    To those who are of the opinion that AGW is "really no big deal", all
    that I can say is, "Keep doing what you're doing!!" (Which, by the
    way, is the path that Humanity is on.)
    Dawn
    |Good!
    |. 04% of atmospheric gases renders CO2 a non player in the fiction of
    |AGW.


    What is it? Joke from the Dawn of Ignorance week?

    Yours apparently:


    AI Overview

    "Carbon dioxide makes up about 0.04% (or roughly 430 parts per million)
    of Earth's atmosphere.
    According to data from the NOAA JetStream Atmosphere Guide, the main
    gases in Earth's clean, dry air are:
    • Nitrogen (\(N_{2}\)): 78.084%
    • Oxygen (\(O_{2}\)): 20.946%
    • Argon (\(Ar\)): 0.934%
    • Carbon dioxide (\(CO_{2}\)): 0.042% (commonly rounded to 0.04%)

    Key Context

    • Parts Per Million (ppm): 0.04% is equal to about 430 ppm."


    Back in the 70s we called this the "the silver on the back
    of the mirror cain do nuffin" argument.

    So you were a moron then too, big surprise.

    The pre-industrial level of CO2 and other long-lived GHG made the
    Earth about 30C warmer than the moon that is the same distance
    from the Sun as Earth and is even darker than the Earth meaning it
    normally should be hotter.

    But it ain't.

    WTF?!?!


    AI Overview

    "The Moon is both much warmer and much colder than Earth, depending on
    whether it is facing the Sun or sitting in shadow.
    • Daytime (in direct sunlight): Temperatures at the Moon's equator can
    soar to over 250°F to 260°F (121°C to 127°C), which is hotter than
    boiling water.
    • Nighttime (after sunset): Temperatures plunge down to around -208°F to -280°F (-133°C to -173°C).
    • Permanent Shadows (polar craters): Deep craters near the poles that
    never see sunlight drop below -410°F to -424°F (-246°C to -253°C)."



    For the "scientifically permanently naive" I sometimes liken the
    relationship to the gas pedel on a car (CO2) and the engine (water vapor). CO2 stays in the atm for centuries -- it has a "half life" of around 100y. Without it water vapor would fall to Earth and go to sleep within a week.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

    Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
    changes. We are not that influential.

    There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
    gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
    water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

    It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
    as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
    upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
    a positive feedback loop.

    It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
    that some scientists hypothesise.

    Negative feedback

    The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
    of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
    positive feedback loop.

    Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.

    Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
    As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
    not increase.

    Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
    rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
    greenhouse gas increases.

    No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
    a negative feedback loop.
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