MIKE POWELL wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-
I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.
I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.
Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into*
the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got
it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?
phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Daryl Stout on Wed Feb 04 2026 03:13 pm
I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.
It'd be cool if when you renewed your passport, they'd give you a
smaller 'passport card' for free that's just as good as a passport
inside the U.S.
MIKE POWELL wrote to DENN <=-
My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.I wish I could have undone getting a real-id. Just as much as I wish
Something at the time made me skeptical about Real ID also. Since I
don't fly, and had an active passport at the time, I did not get one.
;)
MIKE POWELL wrote to DENN <=-
My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking
everyone with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.
Something at the time made me skeptical about Real ID also. SinceI wish I could have undone getting a real-id. Just as much as I wish
I don't fly, and had an active passport at the time, I did not get
one. ;)
I never got the covid shots.
Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let you in thru Canada without passport.
I think if the SAVE act is passed as law, the passport cards should be 50% off for the next five years for those who have income less than 300% the poverty level.
If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification
should be free.
If you don't make identification required to vote free, it's not
protecting the vote, it's disenfranchising voters. Poor voters,
who generally vote democratic.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should
be free.
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Otherwise, it's a poll tax.
If you don't make identification required to vote free, it's not protecting the vote, it's disenfranchising voters. Poor voters, who generally vote democratic.
Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?
Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let you in
thru Canada without passport.
If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should be free.
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any po tax or other tax."
Otherwise, it's a poll tax.
Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to
get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now,
or if you still need the passport?
Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let
you in thru Canada without passport.
The problem wasn't getting out of the US into Canada but coming
back. The requirements for return into the US were higher than
for entering Canada.
Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote.
But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some
states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a
driver's license in the state.
So that means there could be
non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require
ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security
card, etc..
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty sure
there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show an
ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote.
Oh yes, it's one of the HUGE issues to the far-left side of the
political spectrum (and ONLY that part of the political spectrum). The reasons they don't want that are.... obvious.
But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some
states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a driver's license in the state.
Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.
Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.
MIKE POWELL wrote to GAMGEE <=-
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
Best as I can tell he says he has never had to show ID to do those
things and therefore assumes neither have anyone else. <shrugs>
Just to reinforce the whole point of my previous post (not for you, but for others) - I simply cannot understand why the Left (in general) is *SO* opposed to requiring ID to vote. They claim it's because some
people ("the poor") are UNABLE to get any ID. If someone can explain to me why it's harder for a "poor person" to acquire an ID than it is for anybody else, I'd be very thankful.
Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should
be free.
Nope. Alien <anything> (and especially voting) is a CRIME. Making it legal by a free ID is wrong, as the person is still an illegal alien.
other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Otherwise, it's a poll tax.
Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty
sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
MIKE POWELL wrote to UTOPIAN GALT <=-
The problem wasn't getting out of the US into Canada but coming back.
The requirements for return into the US were higher than for entering Canada.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote. But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a
driver's license in the state.
Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-
Oh yes, it's one of the HUGE issues to the far-left side of the
political spectrum (and ONLY that part of the political spectrum). The reasons they don't want that are.... obvious.
Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.
So that means there could be
non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require
ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security
card, etc..
Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.
MIKE POWELL wrote to GAMGEE <=-
How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?
Best as I can tell he says he has never had to show ID to do those
things and therefore assumes neither have anyone else. <shrugs>
Robert Wolfe wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.
Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.
I must be sensible then, because I totally agree with you 100% as well
Gamgee wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-
Another thing you may have noticed is that he hasn't, and won't,
respond to my post, because it asks questions (like above) that are too hard to answer. Very typical of the Lefties.
Just to reinforce the whole point of my previous post (not for you, but for others) - I simply cannot understand why the Left (in general) is
*SO* opposed to requiring ID to vote. They claim it's because some
people ("the poor") are UNABLE to get any ID. If someone can explain
to me why it's harder for a "poor person" to acquire an ID than it is
for anybody else, I'd be very thankful.
I know I'm dumb (as a run-of-the-mill educated middle class white boy), but I just can't understand that "logic".
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Denn wrote to Gamgee <=-
It all goes to the progressive Democrat's that crave ultimate power.
They opened the floodgates during Bidens term and let 15 million + potential voters come in un vetted.
The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.
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always thought that my vote didn't count.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
States rights? Reducing disenfranchisement of valid voters? Reducing
the government's illegal request for state voter rolls?
Her story is illuminating. She has had a green card since the 1980s,
and hers didn't have an expiration date. It's perfectly valid, but
TSA threatened to withhold it on more than one occasion. She tried
to get a replacement, but they saw her green card as valid and
didn't see a need to replace it. Then COVID hit, and it took 3 years
for a replacement. Luckily, during that time we were able to get a
receipt showing her new GC was in process, which worked once. Now she
has a valid green card, but who knows?
Among the known public cases, most of the immigrants targeted
by the Trump administration were returning from overseas trips and
nabbed by immigration officials when reentering the U.S.
"It's a very scary time for people to make decisions about whether
they're going to be able to get back into the country and under what circumstances," Thompson-Washington said.
The premise is invalid. You need to show proof of citizenship *and* residency when registering to vote.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
States rights? Reducing disenfranchisement of valid voters? Reducing the government's illegal request for state voter rolls?
It would be helpful to reduce duplicate votes. We have it in
California where we send ballots to people who obviously left our
state 4 years later. If I moved to Georgia, my registration
from California should be automatically canceled within a month
after registering.
The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.
back when trump was running for election the first time there were 2 coworkers of mine who got multiple mail in ballots for people they didnt know to their address. ther was also video of mailmen selling stacks of mail in ballots to people.
Bf2k+ wrote to Denn <=-
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Denn to Gamgee on Sun Feb 15 2026 02:58 pm
The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.
There's plenty of stupid 'real Americans' who will also...
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MRO to Utopian Galt on Tue Feb 17 2026 02:28 am
back when trump was running for election the first time there were
2 coworkers of mine who got multiple mail in ballots for people
they didnt know to their address. ther was also video of mailmen
selling stacks of mail in ballots to people.
A few years after my Dad passed away, my brother who lives in CA got
ballots for him in his name. I don't know if he got one last year.
However, my Dad has never lived in CA... not once in his life.
Bf2k+ wrote to Denn <=-
Re: Re: Bbsing By: Denn to Gamgee on Sun Feb 15 2026 02:58 pm
The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.
There's plenty of stupid 'real Americans' who will also...
There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting.
There's more at work here.
if i didn't know this guy for 20 years i'd swear he's a bot.
On 17 Feb 2026, MRO said the following...
if i didn't know this guy for 20 years i'd swear he's a bot.
most of the responses are the same. an example of the message
template:
when pF posts, something is off - as if he were a robot.
or
when father came home it was lights out - no more television.
very strange wording every single time. something's amiss.
While the number of people released is historically high, it does not
reach the 15 million mark mentioned in some political discourse.
The premise is invalid. You need to show proof of citizenship *and* residency when registering to vote.
A non-citizen wouldn't be able to register to vote with just a DL - and photo ID is required the first time you vote, at least that's how it's
done in my state.
always thought that my vote didn't count.
What made you change your mind?
A non-citizen wouldn't be able to register to vote with just a DL -
and photo ID is required the first time you vote, at least that's
how it's done in my state.
Same here, but every time I vote we have to show our photo ID.
There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.The 1960 election would like to say something.
Re: Re: Bbsing By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026
06:55 am
There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.The 1960 election would like to say something.
Utopian Galt wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am
There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.
The 1960 election would like to say something.
There's more at work here.
The 1960 election would like to say something.
I meant "people in this country illegally" voting. Point taken about
the 1960 election, however.
I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote. But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a driver's license in the state. So that means there could be non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security card, etc..
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
Utopian Galt wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am
There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.
The 1960 election would like to say something.
I meant "people in this country illegally" voting. Point taken about
the 1960 election, however.
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am
There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.The 1960 election would like to say something.
Well.... do you think they would tell us if there was illegal voting
these days? Because I don't think they would.
As would the state of GA in 2020...
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Bf2k+ to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 22 2026 10:35 am
As would the state of GA in 2020...
Again, I meant to say illegal aliens voting.
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Bf2k+ to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 22 2026 10:35 am
As would the state of GA in 2020...
Again, I meant to say illegal aliens voting.
Jim Singleton wrote to Nightfox <=-
I remember having a cigarette vending machine in our cafeteria at work and being able to smoke at my desk at work in this time period.
My first boss, in the early '90s, used to regale us of stories of "work used to be". Smoking rooms, a "shine boy" for your shoes, coffee carts going from office to office. No voicemail, there were "the girls" in an office behind the front desk that wrote down messages and put them up at the front desk.
Odd to think that he was about the same age I am now.
"Why, in my day, we didn't have email, if something was important, you'd send a FAX!"
... Socks are carcinogenic.
i often think we are using more paper now than ever.Jim Singleton wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
We still use a fax machine/copier in my office from time to time.
I'm going through a thing at work where half of the older employees are pushing to upgrade our multi-function printers, the other half wonder
why they're bothering.
I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.
Jim Singleton wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.
i often think we are using more paper now than ever.
First get the computer side working then get that printer up and printing. I can remember a time when the single printer we had at work failed and I was sent out to a local 'computer store' immediately with cash to get a new one. That day.Jim Singleton wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.
i often think we are using more paper now than ever.
Hard no.
At my first job, we had a midrange computer managing ordering, sales,
inventory, accounting and GL for a university bookstore We had
terminals for sales lookups and ordering, but most of the business ran
on the reams of greenbar 11x17 paper reports I printed out after store
closing and distributed to mailboxes for morning pickup.
I mentioned earlier that I'm involved in office moves and setups, my
team handles IT. We had half of a new office asking to not move the
printer, the office head, who's my age, insisted that we get the
printer set up ASAP.
chris dick wrote to fusion <=-
i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far
as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of
id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its
real ? idk just kind of dumb ....
i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind of dumb ....
Re: Re: Bbsing
By: fusion to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 08 2026 05:41 am
i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i
need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind
of dumb ....
I think years ago that the states should have agreed on a common format
for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.
It's totally fair for law enforcement and TSA to have some commonality between license formats.
Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also
had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a "Real ID."
chris dick wrote to fusion <=-
i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far
as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind of dumb ....
I think years ago that the states should have agreed on a common format
for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.
It's totally fair for law enforcement and TSA to have some commonality between license formats.
i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as
im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but
now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk
just kind of dumb ....
I've heard that if you have a passport, you don't need a Real ID, and you can use your passport instead.
On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 04:01:00 , you wrote:
Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a "Real ID."
My wife did the same. We just took a trip to Florida for volleyball nationals. She got pulled out of the TSA line, and had to buy a $45 pass to fly for a week since she didn't have one, and I did. I don't think she thinks the $10 more for a real ID is all that bad any more. :)
i don't think it's that they want a 'common format'; it's more of an upgraded Format for domestic flights and federal facilities.
There's really no need for it. They are just making it a need.
For federal facilities they have provided other credentials.
for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.
On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 04:01:00 , you wrote:
Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also
had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a
"Real ID."
My wife did the same. We just took a trip to Florida for volleyball nationals. She got pulled out of the TSA line, and had to buy a $45 pass
to fly for a week since she didn't have one, and I did. I don't think she thinks the $10 more for a real ID is all that bad any more. :)
Did she have a valid passport? At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a > valid passport was supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also,
IIRC, in this state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.
Sounds like maybe they are trying now to strongarm the Real ID.
Did she have a valid passport?
At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport was
supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC, in this
state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.
In our state(nicks and mine) you can get it for the same price of renewing. i saw a photo. it looks the same as our drivers license but there's a star on It.
Https://wisconsindot.gov/PublishingImages/dmv/shared/dl-2022-o21.jpg
Is there a chip with more info?
Not sure. I don't think it's worth it.
At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport was
supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC, in this state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.
That is still the case here. However, we never leave the country so have no need for passports. We both renewed our licenses the same year. It was assumed we both had real IDs, but apparantly she didn't check the right box. :/
wasAt the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport
in thissupposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC,
rarely fly,state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I
necessary.and
planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it
so have
That is still the case here. However, we never leave the country
year. It was assumed we both had real IDs, but apparantly she didn'tno need for passports. We both renewed our licenses the same
ever fly,
Makes sense. I had a passport because, while I don't hardly
I did want to take a road trip that included several days inCanada.
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