• Re: "Everything" by voidtools

    From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Nov 24 12:15:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 11/24/2025 6:00 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 24/11/2025 3:40 am, Paul wrote:

    CoPilot

    Can you write me some C code which prints out the first 20 Fibonacci
    numbers ? Attempt to print the numbers on a single output line, with
    a space characters to delimit each number printed out.

    Sorry!! WHAT?? "Attempt"?? Does an LLM really know what 'attempt' means
    .... or does it just produce code that it "thinks" does what it is being asked to do??

    You have to remember that the LLM AI prompt reads something along the lines of...

    "You are a helpful assistant"

    When you have an assistant, you can beat them with a stick,
    or, you can encourage them to do things.

    The usage of the word "attempt" does not affect its value
    as a directive.

    "Make the program print the numbers on a single line"

    would have achieved much the same result when writing the program.

    The program is not "copied verbatim" out of the 420TB of
    training data. The process is not that crass. The AI has
    derived some language rules, for what statements go with
    what other statements. The Mix Of Experts module loaded however,
    does not "think" about all aspects of programming. If it
    uses a subroutine that has a known bug in it, it will
    not tell you about the bug. You have to figure that out
    for yourself while running your testbench.

    This is why I can comfortably get a 20 line program
    from it -- the odds would be not that high, of it
    writing glaringly bad code. If you ask for longer
    modules

    "Write me a replacement for the entire Linux OS"

    you would not expect that to end well. Maybe the safety
    timer would go off after 15 seconds.

    On occasion, the LLM AI will answer with "why don't you
    write the program yourself?".

    *******

    For fun, try this with an LLM AI

    "What are your capabilities?"

    You will get reams of output on the screen,
    before the safety timer goes off, and...
    the LLM AI erases the screen :-)

    When you craft questions for the "AI", you have
    to be pretty careful to not trigger a flow of sewage.

    This would be especially important if you were paying
    for the tokens.

    That was the first question I asked an LLM AI.
    I "thought" the thing would have some canned responses
    for new users, and it could succinctly tell you
    "I am a helpful assistant who cannot do math". But
    I was wrong, and the AI went off on a hallucination
    spree like you would not believe. Pretty funny, for
    my first question.

    Will they every fix things like this? Hmmm.
    I'm still waiting for the AI to say "I don't know".
    It is supposed to be able to say that, but I've
    not read of any accounts of it having happened.
    I do not see a theoretical reason for that to
    happen either. As long as there is some non-zero
    confidence interval assigned to an answer,
    the machine is going to trot that out and print it.

    Paul
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Nov 25 18:34:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 23 Nov 2025 21:39:44 +1100, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 23/11/2025 11:09 am, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 22 Nov 2025 00:09:14 +1100, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 21/11/2025 12:14 pm, micky wrote:

    <Snip>

    Great program. I use it all the time.

    I used to use Nothing, but with win Vista, I switched to Something.

    Since then, I switched to Everything and I like it much more.

    This has got to be some sort of Joke, Hasn't it??

    Yes, a joke.

    Nothing -> Something -> Everything ;-P

    Or just a Developer with a sense of humour?? ;-)

    I used to be an application programmer for mainframes, but I've never
    tried to write for PCs. I'm sure I could but havent' had a real need.

    Same. Same. Last time I did any programming was for a Z80 uPC. Oh, no,
    wait, I set up various "*.bat" files for DOS and Win95/98. Does that count!!

    I've done that too, come to think of it. And I've written one .ahk file
    for AutoHotKey. Never got all of it to work but it does 96%** of what I
    want. Does that count?

    **Disables insert and 0/insert keys, changes number / and * to volume up
    and down, and Pause/Break to mute. I wanted to provided exceptions for
    the calculator program so I could use / and *, and for a DOS or CMD box
    so I could use pause, things I've really never needed, but I never got
    them to work.
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