• Re: israel/Palestine

    From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Nov 27 02:06:33 2025
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    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:15:41 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    The destruction of hospitals and murdering of journalists can not be >justified. Nor the killing by famine, this is a war crime. No matter if
    your enemy is evil.

    Working backwards, "so all sieges are a war crime?" (I don't recall
    any Germans being executed for the 900 day siege of Leningrad - which
    killed over a milion mostly by exposure and starvation) As for evil
    I'd argue both Hitler and Stalin were extremely evil and we can debate
    on which was worse. (No thanks) If you go strictly by deliberate
    killings to score the "who's the greatest victor" in the killings
    department and Mao was worse than both combined - even if you include
    Tojo's scorecard.

    Scenario 1: If I bomb a wheat field am I committing a war crime? How
    about if I mine the wheat field or simply drive tanks across one?
    (Hint: there were LOTS of farmers' fields in Normandy in the summer of
    1944 - some of them were driven through by tanks, others were bombed
    by US, British and Canadian bombers)

    Scenario 2: If I put weaponry and military headquarters inside a
    hospital have I created a target? (Because if the hospital is now a
    military headquarters, haven't I just given the HQ the ultimate
    defence? Or have I just exposed all the patients to deadly harm?
    Because logically it has to be one or the other)

    Scenario 3: And lastly hasn't any military commander who does that
    exposed himself to hanging in a war crimes trial - for deliberately
    endangering civilians? (Assuming of course the other side can grab
    him)

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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Nov 27 02:08:55 2025
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    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:18:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-13 06:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 22:24, Chris wrote:
    And the UN bases
    its judgement on what HAMAS tells it.
    That's clearly a lie.
    The point is that there are no independent witnesses in Gaza. Only Hamas

    That's the fault of Israel, who prohibits foreign news media from
    entering, and if they do, they risk being murdered by tank or shell or
    air bomb.

    When has Israel welcomed journalists into live fire areas? Afterwards
    sure (though they seldom take reporters into areas with uncleared
    mines)
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Nov 27 02:10:37 2025
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    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 11:29:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    That's the fault of Israel, who prohibits foreign news media from
    entering, and if they do, they risk being murdered by tank or shell or
    air bomb.

    Or by Hamas.

    In fairness, when foreign news media are escorted into dangerous areas
    by the IDF the danger doesn't come from Israeli weaponry....
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Thu Nov 27 02:19:44 2025
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    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:26:34 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army from
    behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.

    They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?

    And the British didn't retaliate by bombing the entire city to a rubble.

    Terrorism is fought with police, not military.

    I've touched the "Peace Wall" between the Falls and Shankill Roads in
    Belfast. The British DIDN'T level all of West Belfast. (Admittedly I
    did that in 2016 well after the shooting stopped but the folks whose
    homes were adjacent to the wall on both sides still have chain link
    fencing over their back yards at about a 20 degree angle downwards
    leading away from their homes (so that any grenades or shells would
    tend to roll away from the house) Now that's 20+ years after the
    ceasefire in Northern Ireland and the fact that the overhead backyard
    chain link fencing still existed more than 20 years later should tell
    you that the locals still feared a resumption of fighting.)
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