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The submect line says it all!

whatsapp "could not find a connected microphone"

Whatsapp for win11, fully updated including 25H2. Since I'm asking you
to speculate, I'm sending this to win10 too. They speculate as well as
11 people do!

I've checked my permissions and of course the microphone is permitted or
audio calls would not work. I've uninstalled and reinstalled. After reinstalling, when I tried to make a video call it gave me the same
message, "whatsapp could not find a connected microphone" and when I
tried an audio call it said it needed permission to use the microphone,
and provided a button to grant itself permission. I did that, but then
the video call *still* said it was not connected to the microphone. How
can that be? At least how can it be for me and not everyone? Isn't being connected a sort of base-line status that's established when a program
is loaded and before one tries to make a call?

I'm not sure I've ever made a video call. I have received one and the
audio worked fine then. That was several weeks ago. I can ask someone to
video call me again if you want to know what happens.


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On 2025/12/8 1:29:35, micky wrote:

The submect line says it all!

whatsapp "could not find a connected microphone"

Whatsapp for win11, fully updated including 25H2. Since I'm asking you
to speculate, I'm sending this to win10 too. They speculate as well as
11 people do!

I've checked my permissions and of course the microphone is permitted or audio calls would not work. I've uninstalled and reinstalled. After reinstalling, when I tried to make a video call it gave me the same
message, "whatsapp could not find a connected microphone" and when I

I know nothing of WhatsApp or Windows 11, but a left field thought:
could the "audio calls" part still be running, and thus "using" the
microphone, so the "video calls" part can't find a microphone?

[]

I'm not sure I've ever made a video call. I have received one and the
audio worked fine then. That was several weeks ago. I can ask someone to video call me again if you want to know what happens.

Can't hurt.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

just because you are offended - doesn't mean you are right
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On Sun, 12/7/2025 8:29 PM, micky wrote:

The submect line says it all!

whatsapp "could not find a connected microphone"

Whatsapp for win11, fully updated including 25H2. Since I'm asking you
to speculate, I'm sending this to win10 too. They speculate as well as
11 people do!

I've checked my permissions and of course the microphone is permitted or audio calls would not work. I've uninstalled and reinstalled. After reinstalling, when I tried to make a video call it gave me the same
message, "whatsapp could not find a connected microphone" and when I
tried an audio call it said it needed permission to use the microphone,
and provided a button to grant itself permission. I did that, but then
the video call *still* said it was not connected to the microphone. How
can that be? At least how can it be for me and not everyone? Isn't being connected a sort of base-line status that's established when a program
is loaded and before one tries to make a call?

I'm not sure I've ever made a video call. I have received one and the
audio worked fine then. That was several weeks ago. I can ask someone to video call me again if you want to know what happens.

Is this using the laptop webcam ? Does it have a microphone ? Does it even work ???
(My laptop has a Prince Of Darkness webcam.)

How is the Whatsapp implemented ?
Is it a Metro.App ?
Is it a web page you visit and you're using WebRTC in the browser to make the call ?

We still do need a little more of your fabulous color
commentary to figure out whatsbroke.app . Some of these
services have multiple "solutions" to using them, and
they can have the usual matrix of brokenness.

Not even attempting to record your webcam, might be sufficient proof of working.

Some conference applications, there are selectors for video choice
kept separate from audio source.

*******

Scroll to 1:57 here, and go full screen, for a selection pic

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6To3Cnhu04 )

Even when you select a source, the gain control has to be set high enough
for the job. Notice there is a test recording button on that screen, too.

Paul
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In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:19:22 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 12/7/2025 8:29 PM, micky wrote:

The submect line says it all!

whatsapp "could not find a connected microphone"

Whatsapp for win11, fully updated including 25H2. Since I'm asking you
to speculate, I'm sending this to win10 too. They speculate as well as
11 people do!

I've checked my permissions and of course the microphone is permitted or
audio calls would not work. I've uninstalled and reinstalled. After
reinstalling, when I tried to make a video call it gave me the same
message, "whatsapp could not find a connected microphone" and when I
tried an audio call it said it needed permission to use the microphone,
and provided a button to grant itself permission. I did that, but then
the video call *still* said it was not connected to the microphone. How
can that be? At least how can it be for me and not everyone? Isn't being
connected a sort of base-line status that's established when a program
is loaded and before one tries to make a call?

I'm not sure I've ever made a video call. I have received one and the
audio worked fine then. That was several weeks ago. I can ask someone to
video call me again if you want to know what happens.

Is this using the laptop webcam ? Does it have a microphone ? Does it even work ???

Yes, laptop webcam. Yes, it has a microphone. Microphone works
when I make audio calls, but you remind me that I have turned off the
camera in Device Manager! My bad. But if this solves it, they tricked
me, making the message about the microphone and not the camera. Still,
I should have thought of this. :-(

(My laptop has a Prince Of Darkness webcam.)

Maybe that's what one would call mine.

How is the Whatsapp implemented ?
Is it a Metro.App ?

Don't know what that is.

Is it a web page you visit and you're using WebRTC in the browser to make the call ?

I think a webpage would do the same thing but this is a separate
program. It's a bit strange. It's set to start when Windows starts and
it does, but later it's not running anymore. I have no idea when or why
it stops running. I'll give more details when I go downstairs. I like
it because it works even when the cell phone is off, like mine normally
is. There is another program, Phone Link iirc that emulates the cell
phone when using the cellular provider, but it only works when the cell
phone is on.

We still do need a little more of your fabulous color
commentary to figure out whatsbroke.app . Some of these
services have multiple "solutions" to using them, and
they can have the usual matrix of brokenness.

Not even attempting to record your webcam, might be sufficient proof of working.

Some conference applications, there are selectors for video choice
kept separate from audio source.

*******

Scroll to 1:57 here, and go full screen, for a selection pic

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6To3Cnhu04 )

Even when you select a source, the gain control has to be set high enough
for the job. Notice there is a test recording button on that screen, too.

Paul

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micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:19:22 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

[...]

How is the Whatsapp implemented ?
Is it a Metro.App ?

Don't know what that is.

WhatsApp is a UWP[1]/Metro/Modern/<whatever> 'app', not a normal
Windows program which lives in Program File [(x86)] (outside the
WindowsApps subfolder).

It used to be a normal Windows program, but changed to an 'app' quite
some time ago, according to my notes over two years.

According to our Linux 'friend' it will change again, now to some kind
of 'web app' (not a website), which should make it platform-independent (Windows, macOS, Linux?)

[...]

[1] According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Windows_Platform_apps>
all these names are outdated and the current name is probably "packaged
apps". As some English dude said "What's in a name?". :-(
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On Mon, 12/8/2025 11:14 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:19:22 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

[...]

How is the Whatsapp implemented ?
Is it a Metro.App ?

Don't know what that is.

WhatsApp is a UWP[1]/Metro/Modern/<whatever> 'app', not a normal
Windows program which lives in Program File [(x86)] (outside the
WindowsApps subfolder).

It used to be a normal Windows program, but changed to an 'app' quite
some time ago, according to my notes over two years.

According to our Linux 'friend' it will change again, now to some kind
of 'web app' (not a website), which should make it platform-independent (Windows, macOS, Linux?)

[...]

[1] According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Windows_Platform_apps>
all these names are outdated and the current name is probably "packaged apps". As some English dude said "What's in a name?". :-(

UWP and Metro are different, in that UWP might run on Windows 7, whereas
Metro would be on the more modern OSes only. The Universal word is what
gives it the extra OS of compatibility.

The Metro loader can be triggered by a zero byte file ending in EXE.
the loader uses a manifest to load things that it uses.

The UWP might be a non-zero EXE part, not really sure. In general,
I'm not aware of a structured way for a customer to identify
everything they're using. It's not like Linux where there is
a "file" command that at least in principle is trying to do
that job.

It sounds like maybe the WhatsApp has gone to the "Suspend" state and
is resting in memory (you should be able to review it in Task Manager
for the evidence of that). It might stop running if there is no interaction with it after some number of minutes. Whether it is "listening" on an
incoming port for activity, that's outside my pay scale to figure out.
Like, it could be that the software can do that, but the state machine
is so poorly defined, we cannot conclude anything from a four ball
incomplete state machine. The four ball tells us that if we click
on the WhatsApp with the intention of loading it, it starts running
from the RAM copy. To listen on a port, could be Event based, but
I don't have a way to prove or disprove that (short of writing
a Metro.App or a UWP).

SystemSettings.exe Suspended Paul CPU=00 ~3MB

Paul
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On Mon, 12/8/2025 10:32 AM, micky is to test:

Scroll to 1:57 here, and go full screen, for a selection pic

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6To3Cnhu04 )

Even when you select a source, the gain control has to be set high enough
for the job. Notice there is a test recording button on that screen, too.

Tell us whether the selection in that settings thing is enough to fix it.

The Test recording button might be sufficient to verify the gain is OK.

I don't have a WhatsApp, as that would require a Facebook account that
I don't have.

Paul


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In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 8 Dec 2025 01:55:49 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

I'm not sure I've ever made a video call. I have received one and the
audio worked fine then. That was several weeks ago. I can ask someone to
video call me again if you want to know what happens.

Can't hurt.

Didn't have to after all. See answer to Paul.
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In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on 8 Dec 2025 16:14:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:19:22 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

[...]

How is the Whatsapp implemented ?
Is it a Metro.App ?

Don't know what that is.

WhatsApp is a UWP[1]/Metro/Modern/<whatever> 'app', not a normal
Windows program which lives in Program File [(x86)] (outside the
WindowsApps subfolder).

It used to be a normal Windows program, but changed to an 'app' quite
some time ago, according to my notes over two years.

According to our Linux 'friend' it will change again, now to some kind
of 'web app' (not a website), which should make it platform-independent >(Windows, macOS, Linux?)

Wow. I was a simple application programmer. I wonder how I would have
done with stuff like this. Tnx.

[...]

[1] According to ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Windows_Platform_apps>
all these names are outdated and the current name is probably "packaged >apps". As some English dude said "What's in a name?". :-(

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 12/8/2025 11:14 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:19:22 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

[...]

How is the Whatsapp implemented ?
Is it a Metro.App ?

Don't know what that is.

WhatsApp is a UWP[1]/Metro/Modern/<whatever> 'app', not a normal
Windows program which lives in Program File [(x86)] (outside the WindowsApps subfolder).

It used to be a normal Windows program, but changed to an 'app' quite some time ago, according to my notes over two years.

According to our Linux 'friend' it will change again, now to some kind
of 'web app' (not a website), which should make it platform-independent (Windows, macOS, Linux?)

[...]

[1] According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Windows_Platform_apps>
all these names are outdated and the current name is probably "packaged apps". As some English dude said "What's in a name?". :-(

UWP and Metro are different, in that UWP might run on Windows 7, whereas Metro would be on the more modern OSes only. The Universal word is what
gives it the extra OS of compatibility.

The Wikipedia seems to disagree with you and says that UWP is newer
than Metro.

But read on. In this (WhatsApp) context the issue is probably moot.

[..]

It sounds like maybe the WhatsApp has gone to the "Suspend" state and
is resting in memory (you should be able to review it in Task Manager
for the evidence of that).

I looked in Task Manager and there are currently seven processes in
the 'WhatsApp' process tree. Six op them have names like 'WebView2:...'
and all have Properties 'File description: MicrosoftEdge WebView2' and 'Location:' is 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\EdgeWebView\ Application\142.0.3595.94'. (The seventh process is 'Crashpad'.)

So it seems that WhatsApp is already a 'web app' and no longer a UWP/Metro/Modern/<whatever> app.

N.B. I have no idea where the actual WhatsApp 'code' is, because all processes have 'msedgewebview2.exe' on the 'General' tab (with obviously
the same size). And I don't see anything WhatsApp-related in the ...\EdgeWebView\Application\142.0.3595.94 folder.

This is proabably the end of my 'contribution', because I know next to nothing about UWP/Metro/Modern/<whatever> apps and even less about 'web
apps'.

[...]
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In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 08 Dec 2025 10:32:41 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I'm not sure I've ever made a video call. I have received one and the
audio worked fine then. That was several weeks ago. I can ask someone to >>> video call me again if you want to know what happens.

Is this using the laptop webcam ? Does it have a microphone ? Does it even work ???

I thought I posted this yeaterday!

Yes, laptop webcam. Yes, it has a microphone. Microphone works
when I make audio calls, but you remind me that I have turned off the
camera in Device Manager! My bad. But if this solves it, they tricked
me, making the message about the microphone and not the camera.

That was it. When I enabled the camera in Device Manager, and then
tried to make a video call, it asked for permission to access the camera
and when I said yet, it dialed the phone. The problem was never the microphone.

Still,
I should have thought of this. :-(

It's typical of me. I'm very literal, both in talking and listening. Expecially in listening, and it causes small problems sometimes. And I
think maybe it caused big problems other times. Years ago girls would
say they were breaking up with me, and I didn't try to change their
minds. This was partly because there are always more girls, but it was
also becasue I took them literally, that we were now broken up. Sort
of the opposite of those police videos where the police say "You're
under arrest" and the bad driver says "No I"m not." or "You can't
arrest me" Some really do say "No I"m not."

And this time it never occurred to me t he problem was anything other
than the microphone. I'm glad you asked about the camera.


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In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on 8 Dec 2025 18:59:53 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

This is proabably the end of my 'contribution', because I know next to
nothing about UWP/Metro/Modern/<whatever> apps and even less about 'web >apps'.

I know even less than you do, so I'm not saying anything.
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On Tue, 12/9/2025 3:12 PM, micky wrote:

And this time it never occurred to me t he problem was anything other
than the microphone. I'm glad you asked about the camera.

When you did the microphone test in WhatsApp, were you satisfied
with the result ?

It isn't often on a computer, that you get to hear actual
high quality speech. Usually computer microphones suck, and webcam
ones pick up digital noise when the AGC (automatic gain control)
is cranked up between words.

The big microphone I bought, the frequency response rolls off as if
the microphone is only for voice frequencies. I tested the microphone
on some speech to text software, and it worked there, so I assume it
would also work good enough on a Zoom call.

Paul


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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 9 Dec 2025 16:29:26 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 12/9/2025 3:12 PM, micky wrote:

And this time it never occurred to me t he problem was anything other
than the microphone. I'm glad you asked about the camera.

When you did the microphone test in WhatsApp, were you satisfied
with the result ?

I don't remember there being a microphone test, but I talked to someone
on whatsapp and he heard me and answered appropritately. AFAIK, he
heard me fine. -- I do have a bit of trouble understanding people who
are on a cell phone sometimes. it's either their phone or my cordless
phone. Where is Western Electric when we need them?

I'm pretty sure I've done the mike test on zoom on this computer and I
was satisfied with the sound it recorded from my voice. I know I was
satisfied on the previous computer.

It isn't often on a computer, that you get to hear actual
high quality speech. Usually computer microphones suck, and webcam
ones pick up digital noise when the AGC (automatic gain control)
is cranked up between words.

The big microphone I bought, the frequency response rolls off as if
the microphone is only for voice frequencies. I tested the microphone
on some speech to text software, and it worked there, so I assume it
would also work good enough on a Zoom call.

Reasonable assumption.

Paul

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