On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 20:00:44 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
On 5/03/2026 11:33 pm, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2026-03-05, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Oh, sure, there were computers back in WWII-times .... just I've never
On 5/03/2026 7:25 am, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 3/4/2026 6:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/03/2026 8:24 pm, wasbit wrote:
On 03/03/2026 12:52, Daniel70 wrote:AH!! Of course. Is that why people now speak of "LLM" instead??
snip < Thank you, Paul. I think I prefer HI (Human Intelligence) >>>>>>>> rather than AI (Artificial Intelligence). ;-P
AI stands for Artificial Insemination. You can't Artificial
Intelligence a cow! :)
They use LLM-AI to signify "this is not the final or real one".
An AI that achieves Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is the one >>>>> that will join the "exclusive AI club".
The first AI I ran into, was a port of ELIZA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
Initial release 1966
1966?? You have GOT to be joking!! 1996, yeah, maybe, but 1966, No
Way!!
'66? Sounds legit.
There were computers before UNIX, and languages before C
considered them in more widespread than Defence-type usage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
On 7/03/2026 5:51 am, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 20:00:44 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:WOW!! 1938/41!! Who'd of thunk??
On 5/03/2026 11:33 pm, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2026-03-05, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Oh, sure, there were computers back in WWII-times .... just I've never
On 5/03/2026 7:25 am, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 3/4/2026 6:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/03/2026 8:24 pm, wasbit wrote:
On 03/03/2026 12:52, Daniel70 wrote:AH!! Of course. Is that why people now speak of "LLM" instead??
snip < Thank you, Paul. I think I prefer HI (Human Intelligence) >>>>>>>>> rather than AI (Artificial Intelligence). ;-P
AI stands for Artificial Insemination. You can't Artificial
Intelligence a cow! :)
They use LLM-AI to signify "this is not the final or real one".
An AI that achieves Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is the one >>>>>> that will join the "exclusive AI club".
The first AI I ran into, was a port of ELIZA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
Initial release 1966
1966?? You have GOT to be joking!! 1996, yeah, maybe, but 1966, No
Way!!
'66? Sounds legit.
There were computers before UNIX, and languages before C
considered them in more widespread than Defence-type usage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
I wonder if the little desktop Zuse (Apple 2 clone) that I used in
1983/4 might have been a great-great-grandchild of that big one??
On 3/23/2026 2:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 7/03/2026 5:51 am, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 20:00:44 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:WOW!! 1938/41!! Who'd of thunk??
On 5/03/2026 11:33 pm, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2026-03-05, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Oh, sure, there were computers back in WWII-times .... just I've never >>>> considered them in more widespread than Defence-type usage.
On 5/03/2026 7:25 am, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 3/4/2026 6:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/03/2026 8:24 pm, wasbit wrote:They use LLM-AI to signify "this is not the final or real one".
On 03/03/2026 12:52, Daniel70 wrote:AH!! Of course. Is that why people now speak of "LLM" instead?? >>>>>>>
snip < Thank you, Paul. I think I prefer HI (Human Intelligence) >>>>>>>>>> rather than AI (Artificial Intelligence). ;-P
AI stands for Artificial Insemination. You can't Artificial
Intelligence a cow! :)
An AI that achieves Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is the one >>>>>>> that will join the "exclusive AI club".
The first AI I ran into, was a port of ELIZA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
Initial release 1966
1966?? You have GOT to be joking!! 1996, yeah, maybe, but 1966, No >>>>>> Way!!
'66? Sounds legit.
There were computers before UNIX, and languages before C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
I wonder if the little desktop Zuse (Apple 2 clone) that I used in 1983/4 might have been a great-great-grandchild of that big one??
Maybe only in learning from the past.
The Z3 was electrical relays, an Apple 2 clone 6502 processor transistor logic chips.
On Mon, 3/23/2026 4:12 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
On 3/23/2026 2:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 7/03/2026 5:51 am, rbowman wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)WOW!! 1938/41!! Who'd of thunk??
I wonder if the little desktop Zuse (Apple 2 clone) that I used
in 1983/4 might have been a great-great-grandchild of that big
one??
Maybe only in learning from the past.
The Z3 was electrical relays, an Apple 2 clone 6502 processor
transistor logic chips.
This SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) file is a representation of the
6502 at transistor level. The size of the transistors is intended to
show drive strength, some bus driver pads having more milliamps of
drive than other signals.
https://davidmjc.github.io/6502/cd.svg
( https://davidmjc.github.io/6502/ )
It you're the right kind of person, you'll now run off and make one
of those out of transistors (and then we'll see a picture of your
contraption on Tomshardware).
That at least gives some idea how simple the things were inside, at--
least compared to the billions of transistor-equivalents in a CPU
today.
On Mon, 3/23/2026 4:12 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
On 3/23/2026 2:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 7/03/2026 5:51 am, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 20:00:44 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:WOW!! 1938/41!! Who'd of thunk??
On 5/03/2026 11:33 pm, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2026-03-05, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Oh, sure, there were computers back in WWII-times .... just I've never >>>>> considered them in more widespread than Defence-type usage.
On 5/03/2026 7:25 am, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 3/4/2026 6:12 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/03/2026 8:24 pm, wasbit wrote:They use LLM-AI to signify "this is not the final or real one". >>>>>>>>
On 03/03/2026 12:52, Daniel70 wrote:AH!! Of course. Is that why people now speak of "LLM" instead?? >>>>>>>>
snip < Thank you, Paul. I think I prefer HI (Human Intelligence) >>>>>>>>>>> rather than AI (Artificial Intelligence). ;-P
AI stands for Artificial Insemination. You can't Artificial >>>>>>>>>> Intelligence a cow! :)
An AI that achieves Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is the one >>>>>>>> that will join the "exclusive AI club".
The first AI I ran into, was a port of ELIZA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
Initial release 1966
1966?? You have GOT to be joking!! 1996, yeah, maybe, but 1966, No >>>>>>> Way!!
'66? Sounds legit.
There were computers before UNIX, and languages before C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
I wonder if the little desktop Zuse (Apple 2 clone) that I used in 1983/4 might have been a great-great-grandchild of that big one??
Maybe only in learning from the past.
The Z3 was electrical relays, an Apple 2 clone 6502 processor transistor logic chips.
This SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) file is a representation of the 6502 at transistor level.
The size of the transistors is intended to show drive strength, some
bus driver pads having more milliamps of drive than other signals.
https://davidmjc.github.io/6502/cd.svg
( https://davidmjc.github.io/6502/ )
It you're the right kind of person, you'll now run off and make
one of those out of transistors (and then we'll see a picture of
your contraption on Tomshardware).
That at least gives some idea how simple the things were inside,
at least compared to the billions of transistor-equivalents in
a CPU today.
Paul--
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