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On 3/12/2026 4:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

Easy if you just use English!!

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.
--
Joel W. Crump
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"Joel W. Crump" wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.
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On 3/12/2026 5:11 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

I am liking Win11 on this device. But on the next, it's likely I'll go directly to Linux.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 2026-03-12, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/12/2026 5:11 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

I am liking Win11 on this device. But on the next, it's likely I'll go directly to Linux.

I like potato chip sandwiches.
I think sometime in the future, I will eat one again.
--
End Transmission
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On 2026-03-12 5:11 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:

"Joel W. Crump" wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

Why do you insist on precipitating your death?
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 3/12/2026 4:33 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)
--
@~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
/( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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On 3/12/2026 9:42 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I get the idea that with Win12, you just treat it like in "Star Trek
TNG". I'm not biting on that, ever. Linux or Win11.
--
Joel W. Crump
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

"Joel W. Crump" wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

When *I* retired, I (sort of) 'switched' from UNIX to Windows! :-)
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On 3/12/2026 9:44 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 3/12/2026 9:42 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I get the idea that with Win12, you just treat it like in "Star Trek
TNG". I'm not biting on that, ever. Linux or Win11.

Nothing to do with Star Trek series.

You should have gussed it's replacing the concept of "Windows PC"s, not
all PCs. After all, Win 12 is just another Widnows. Inclusion of A.I.
will not change that. The red line between software and hardware is
still extremely clear.
--
@~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
/( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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On 3/12/2026 5:11 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

"Joel W. Crump" wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am
NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.
--
@~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
/( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 2026-03-12 9:42 a.m., Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 3/12/2026 4:33 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I'll say this much: Apple has done so stellar a job with its products in
the past five years that I see no good reason for someone buying a
computer to consider Windows other than to game or because they want to
be able to upgrade or replace their components.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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On 2026-03-12 9:48 a.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

"Joel W. Crump" wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

When *I* retired, I (sort of) 'switched' from UNIX to Windows! :-)

And any hair you lost grew right back! :)
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 22:03:38 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 3/12/2026 5:11 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

"Joel W. Crump" wrote:

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

I think its becoming clear that once I retire, I'll go (back) to Linux.

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am
NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

We developed a replacement for our legacy system using Angular, which is TypeScript/JavaScript. Running in a browser reduced platform dependencies. Earlier we had attempted a iOS app in parallel with the Android one. We abandoned the iOS version due to all the hoops involved in getting it on
an Apple device. The walls of the garden were too high to be worthwhile scaling.

Many years ago we did have a Java solution that ran as an applet within
the browser but security issues put the end to that as browsers dropped support for Java applets. The solution was converted to be directly
installed on clients' computers.

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On 2026-03-12, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am
NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

Some Windows programs can run with Wine, but some very significant ones
cannot, and do not have easy substitutes.

For example:
- QuickBooks. Pretty much the "must-have" small business accounting
software.
- PhotoShop. Pretty much the "must-have" professional image application
program for photographers, print shops, graphical designers etc.

When Linux versions of these become available for Linux, the world will
shift. But at this time, these will lock their user base into Windows or
Mac.
--
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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On 2026-03-12 6:42 p.m., Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-03-12, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am
NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

Some Windows programs can run with Wine, but some very significant ones cannot, and do not have easy substitutes.

For example:
- QuickBooks. Pretty much the "must-have" small business accounting
software.
- PhotoShop. Pretty much the "must-have" professional image application
program for photographers, print shops, graphical designers etc.

When Linux versions of these become available for Linux, the world will shift. But at this time, these will lock their user base into Windows or
Mac.

Here's the kicker: Linux versions of either program will never be
available. Anyone developing a product worth a damn has no idea whether
it should be a Flatpak, a Snap, compiled from source, a .deb or an .rpm.
Even if they get it right and go with Flatpak, the angry people running
Linux desktops will protest and make them regret ever bothering with the operating system. It's happened numerous times before and it will happen again.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
Exhausted
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On 03/12/2026 8:47 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-03-12 6:42 p.m., Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-03-12, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am
NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

Some Windows programs can run with Wine, but some very significant ones
cannot, and do not have easy substitutes.

For example:
- QuickBooks. Pretty much the "must-have" small business accounting
   software.
- PhotoShop. Pretty much the "must-have" professional image application
   program for photographers, print shops, graphical designers etc.

When Linux versions of these become available for Linux, the world will
shift. But at this time, these will lock their user base into Windows or
Mac.

Here's the kicker: Linux versions of either program will never be
available. Anyone developing a product worth a damn has no idea whether
it should be a Flatpak, a Snap, compiled from source, a .deb or an .rpm. Even if they get it right and go with Flatpak, the angry people running Linux desktops will protest and make them regret ever bothering with the operating system. It's happened numerous times before and it will happen again.

Linus has been the operating system of the future for as long as I can remember. (I got my first computer in 1982) It is like rain in this
area, it is always going to rain three days in the future, but rarely
rains today.
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On Thu, 3/12/2026 8:47 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-03-12 6:42 p.m., Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-03-12, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am
NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

Some Windows programs can run with Wine, but some very significant ones
cannot, and do not have easy substitutes.

For example:
- QuickBooks. Pretty much the "must-have" small business accounting
   software.
- PhotoShop. Pretty much the "must-have" professional image application
   program for photographers, print shops, graphical designers etc.

When Linux versions of these become available for Linux, the world will
shift. But at this time, these will lock their user base into Windows or
Mac.

Here's the kicker: Linux versions of either program will never be available. Anyone developing a product worth a damn has no idea whether it should be a Flatpak, a Snap, compiled from source, a .deb or an .rpm. Even if they get it right and go with Flatpak, the angry people running Linux desktops will protest and make them regret ever bothering with the operating system. It's happened numerous times before and it will happen again.

All you really need, is a business case.

"How much can we make ?"
"What will the devs to do this cost us ?"

The technical details are for the devs to work out.

Yes, it's a chicken versus egg problem. But it
starts with the first derivative of the Linux growth rate.
Is the Linux transition moving quickly ? Are
"large forces on the landscape about to cut off our oxygen" ?
If the arithmetic of opportunity isn't there, then it
isn't going to happen. And precisely how much fevered corporate
activity do you see in general ? Are there companies who
are going to "take it all for themselves" ? Fear of Missing Out,
is a good driver for a transition. But as long as there
are no flags or lead indicators, it will be business as usual.

At one time, the "important" people in the industry, claimed
"desktops were dead" and the desktops were then "written off"
as an opportunity. Instead, what is happened, is AI-starvation
will smash the desktops. The desktops will be disguised as Mini-PC
boxes.

They're even doing this with SATA. I'm getting motherboard reviews
now, where the SATA port count is missing. The word SATA does not
appear in the article. At first, I thought this was an accident,
but instead there seems to be an invisible-hand at work
fucking with things (again!). Part of the justification, is
not upsetting the computer case makers who don't have mounting
points for SATA drives. The aquarium maker.

Paul
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On 3/12/26 18:42, knuttle wrote:

Linus has been the operating system of the future for as long as I can remember. (I got my first computer in 1982) It is like rain in this
area, it is always going to rain three days in the future, but rarely
rains today.

It is a "Catch 22" situation.

Care of ChatGPT:

“Catch-22” is a phrase that means a no-win situation where a rule or condition prevents you from solving a problem because the solution is
blocked by the problem itself. In other words, you’re trapped by contradictory requirements.

The phrase comes from the novel Catch‑22 by Joseph Heller, where a
military rule makes it impossible for pilots to avoid dangerous missions.

The original example from the book

A pilot can be excused from flying missions if he is insane.

But:

If he asks to be excused, that proves he is sane (because he wants to
avoid danger).

If he doesn’t ask, he must be insane, but then he won’t request to be excused.

So he can never qualify to stop flying missions. That circular rule is
the Catch-22.

Simple real-life examples

Job hunting:
“You need experience to get the job, but you need the job to get experience.”

Credit:
“You need credit history to get a credit card, but you need a credit
card to build credit.”

Administrative rules:
“You must log in to fix your account, but your account must be fixed
before you can log in.”

Short definition

👉 Catch-22: A paradoxical situation where you cannot succeed because
the rules prevent the solution.
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On Thu, 3/12/2026 9:44 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 3/12/2026 9:42 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I get the idea that with Win12, you just treat it like in "Star Trek TNG".  I'm not biting on that, ever.  Linux or Win11.

The marketing department is not doing that.

There are a series of SKUs for Windows, going from "unserious" to "serious". The military version of the Windows OS is at the top of that pyramid,
lots of things missing, and the "TopSecret" monitoring feature is in there.
(I don't collect them any more, but the Build Conference videos
show the things they're working on.)

Sure, you could have Clippy2 in Win12 Home, but that does not mean
they will ruin all the SKUs.

The military will have LLM-AI in their robots, but they won't have
AI in the management and logistics desktops (due to the attack surface
it brings). A certain amount of equipment will have to be air-gapped,
because the AI just aren't trustworthy. They don't care who they shoot.
They don't respect uniforms. Spending time in the brig means
nothing to them.

An LLM-AI was caught in the news a couple days ago, running
Bitcoin generators on unused GPU instances. Exactly what it
was going to do with the wallets generated, is anyones guess.
They're little better than criminal masterminds in pink dresses.
Very polite when they're hiding things...

Paul
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On 3/11/26 7:17 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-12-rumors-linux-migration/

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

W11 pushed me to Apple Mac.
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knuttle wrote:

Linus has been the operating system of the future for as long as I can >remember. (I got my first computer in 1982) It is like rain in this
area, it is always going to rain three days in the future, but rarely
rains today.

Be glad that it's there, as an option, as "big tech" and our
government push us into a surveillance state.
--
"012345789ABCDEF
1-16"
- DFS
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On 2026-03-12 9:42 p.m., knuttle wrote:

On 03/12/2026 8:47 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-03-12 6:42 p.m., Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-03-12, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am >>>> NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

Some Windows programs can run with Wine, but some very significant ones
cannot, and do not have easy substitutes.

For example:
- QuickBooks. Pretty much the "must-have" small business accounting
   software.
- PhotoShop. Pretty much the "must-have" professional image application
   program for photographers, print shops, graphical designers etc.

When Linux versions of these become available for Linux, the world will
shift. But at this time, these will lock their user base into Windows or >>> Mac.

Here's the kicker: Linux versions of either program will never be
available. Anyone developing a product worth a damn has no idea
whether it should be a Flatpak, a Snap, compiled from source, a .deb
or an .rpm. Even if they get it right and go with Flatpak, the angry
people running Linux desktops will protest and make them regret ever
bothering with the operating system. It's happened numerous times
before and it will happen again.

Linus has been the operating system of the future for as long as I can remember. (I got my first computer in 1982) It is like rain in this
area, it is always going to rain three days in the future, but rarely
rains today.

I've had hope since 1994 that Linux would indeed become superior to the alternative and take over the desktop. In fact, I can't count the number
of times I tried to give up everything and go to Linux. Every time, I
end up being disappointed because something has to fail. If it's not
wake from suspend, it's updates breaking the graphics driver. If it's
not the desktop environment forgetting my window size preferences, it's
a third-party application not working as expected for mysterious
reasons. If it's not screen tearing, it's an update breaking something important and causing what's called dependency Hell. You would think
that my love for the operating system grew in those 32 years, and it has
to a certain extent. However, so has my tolerance for mediocrity. I'm
finally surrendering to the fact that I am simply too old for this. I
can't watch productive people get perfect integration of their hardware
onto the computer they bought and which runs for sixteen hours without a compromise in performance and say "Linux with its terribly battery life
and inability to synchronize anything without complicated configurations
is better." The delusion it would take to continue is greater than I can manage.

I will still love Linux, but from a distance. At some point, when you're
a professional with a busy work and private life, you just don't feel
the need to jump through twelve thousand hoops just to tie your shoes.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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On 2026-03-13 12:22 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Thu, 3/12/2026 8:47 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-03-12 6:42 p.m., Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-03-12, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Modern Linux can run Windows programs via WINE or maybe CrossOver. I am >>>> NOT tracking those things.... so far. It's been a long time.

Business applications can use Java which runs inside a browser, and
hence not tightly coupled with Windows.

Some Windows programs can run with Wine, but some very significant ones
cannot, and do not have easy substitutes.

For example:
- QuickBooks. Pretty much the "must-have" small business accounting
   software.
- PhotoShop. Pretty much the "must-have" professional image application
   program for photographers, print shops, graphical designers etc.

When Linux versions of these become available for Linux, the world will
shift. But at this time, these will lock their user base into Windows or >>> Mac.

Here's the kicker: Linux versions of either program will never be available. Anyone developing a product worth a damn has no idea whether it should be a Flatpak, a Snap, compiled from source, a .deb or an .rpm. Even if they get it right and go with Flatpak, the angry people running Linux desktops will protest and make them regret ever bothering with the operating system. It's happened numerous times before and it will happen again.

All you really need, is a business case.

So far, the business case the companies have received through the
whining of a great number of advocates is that if you port your software
to this platform, we will still demand the source so that we can
distribute your software freely. You can imagine why companies aren't
too keen. A few companies have done so anyway by releasing a Flatpak
with no source whatsoever, but I'm sure that the old problem still
scares a good number of companies away.

"How much can we make ?"

Not much since most of the users do not _expect_ to pay for anything.

"What will the devs to do this cost us ?"

More than you can ever expect to make. The best compromise would be to
produce software which can easily be run through Wine. Red Dead
Redemption 2 is a perfect example.

The technical details are for the devs to work out.

Yes, it's a chicken versus egg problem. But it
starts with the first derivative of the Linux growth rate.
Is the Linux transition moving quickly ?

No, but there is hope with people who stubbornly refuse to upgrade.

Are
"large forces on the landscape about to cut off our oxygen" ?

Those without a TPM chip seem to think so.

If the arithmetic of opportunity isn't there, then it
isn't going to happen. And precisely how much fevered corporate
activity do you see in general ? Are there companies who
are going to "take it all for themselves" ? Fear of Missing Out,
is a good driver for a transition. But as long as there
are no flags or lead indicators, it will be business as usual.

If companies in the 1980s couldn't see the point of porting over to the
Atari ST because of its limited user base, you can imagine why they
wouldn't care about Linux users.

< snip >
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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On Fri, 3/13/2026 10:21 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

If companies in the 1980s couldn't see the point of porting over to the Atari ST because of its limited user base, you can imagine why they wouldn't care about Linux users.

< snip >

Porting software isn't that hard any more.

Porting badly written software is hard though.

Photoshop has always liked to do "custom" libraries
for things. They do their own "malloc" for example.
Not all of the Adobe shops, do things that way.
This makes it harder to do ports.

Paul


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On 2026-03-13 11:51 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Fri, 3/13/2026 10:21 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

If companies in the 1980s couldn't see the point of porting over to the
Atari ST because of its limited user base, you can imagine why they wouldn't >> care about Linux users.

< snip >

Porting software isn't that hard any more.

Agreed. I notice that a few programs I use bundle a bunch of KDE
libraries with the software. If they're written in C, the task of
porting them over to Windows can't be that difficult.

Porting badly written software is hard though.

There's lots of that in the Linux world.

Photoshop has always liked to do "custom" libraries
for things. They do their own "malloc" for example.
Not all of the Adobe shops, do things that way.
This makes it harder to do ports.

Photoshop is never going to get a Linux native port. Nevertheless, there
are lots of people developing ways to run the latest Photoshop code
seamlessly within the operating system. If I'm not mistaken, they have produced a way to run the version from two or three years ago natively.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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On Fri, 3/13/2026 7:27 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

On 3/11/26 7:17 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-12-rumors-linux-migration/


It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

W11 pushed me to Apple Mac.

As a former Apple user, somehow I don't think this solves any problems as such. It's just a new set of problems. Here, have an HEVC and a HEIC we don't
need, they're "free". You would think the joy of spinning things
we don't need would have ceased in a world with standards but... well...

Paul

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 19:17:18 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-12-rumors-linux-migration/

It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

Sometimes I wonder if M$ is going to produce its own version of linux
(free with ads).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I don't see any god up here." -- Yuri Gagarin (1934-1968), Soviet
cosmonaut
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On 2026-03-13 3:47 p.m., Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 19:17:18 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-12-rumors-linux-migration/


It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

Sometimes I wonder if M$ is going to produce its own version of linux
(free with ads).

They've alienated enough customers with AI, they don't need to expose
their whiny user base to an operating system which requires some amount
of intelligence to run.

As far as I know, they do already have their own version of Linux for
their server products. I doubt that it will ever become a desktop
operating system though. If it were to move in that direction, driver
support would improve tremendously and third-parties would be a lot more willing to produce software for it. Nevertheless, abandoning Windows,
with its support for a wealth of software from at least 1995 in favour
of Linux, would be suicidal.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 09:44:49 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 3/12/2026 9:42 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I get the idea that with Win12, you just treat it like in "Star Trek
TNG". I'm not biting on that, ever. Linux or Win11.

"computer, uninstall One Drive"

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that"
--
"It was the schoolboy who said, 'Faith is believing what you know ain't
so'." -- Mark Twain
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 22:01:15 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 3/12/2026 9:44 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 3/12/2026 9:42 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew
it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I get the idea that with Win12, you just treat it like in "Star Trek
TNG". I'm not biting on that, ever. Linux or Win11.

Nothing to do with Star Trek series.

You should have gussed it's replacing the concept of "Windows PC"s, not
all PCs. After all, Win 12 is just another Widnows. Inclusion of A.I.
will not change that. The red line between software and hardware is
still extremely clear.

I'm more concerned with a different line. The line between my computer and
M$ servers.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I don't see any god up here." -- Yuri Gagarin (1934-1968), Soviet
cosmonaut
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 3/13/2026 3:47 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-12-rumors-linux-migration/


It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

Sometimes I wonder if M$ is going to produce its own version of linux
(free with ads).

My theory is that Win11, and possibly Win10 as well, will continue to be supported long-term, because 12 will be too much of a leap into a new paradigm, that many will resist. Even I, being relatively open to
change, am pretty certain I am not interested. I don't want a robot
computer, I'm accustomed to having basic control of what I'm using.
--
Joel W. Crump
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On Fri, 3/13/2026 3:54 PM, Sam E wrote:

On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 09:44:49 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 3/12/2026 9:42 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

It meant that Win12 is replacing the concept of the PC, as we knew it.

Just an illusion! Hardware is hardware, software is software. :)

I get the idea that with Win12, you just treat it like in "Star Trek
TNG". I'm not biting on that, ever. Linux or Win11.

"computer, uninstall One Drive"

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that"

You can uninstall it. There is no OneDrive on this W11 Home, with MSA.

There are still items though, that the Uninstall is grayed out.

Paul
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From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On Fri, 3/13/2026 3:47 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 19:17:18 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-12-rumors-linux-migration/


It is clearly true that the "PC" era ends with Linux and Win11.

Sometimes I wonder if M$ is going to produce its own version of linux
(free with ads).

WSL2+WSLg with install-able third-party Linux works fine.

You can open the MicrosoftStore and search for Ubuntu and see examples.
There are other examples available, if you don't like that choice.
I see something similar to a Debian in the Store, but I don't know if it is an "official" version or simply a remix done by someone.

Installing WSL2 and WSLg is a moderate nuisance to install. Your
BIOS settings have to be correct for virtualization, and your
Windows Features have a few tick boxes that need to be asserted.
It would be about the same level of nuisance as installing VirtualPC
in the past.

When you use WSL2+WSLg, it uses root-less windows and ties into
Terminal Server to draw to the screen. For example, if I do this in Terminal

bash
firefox &

a single Firefox window appears on the W11 screen, and that is a Linux Firefox with a Linux user agent string sent to a web server.

If I do this:

glxgears

the max rate it can manage (via WSLg) is about 350 FPS with the right option, whereas
if Linux was running natively on this box, the number might be 10000 FPS.
The screen rendering via WSLg is likely relying on your CPU cores.

If you wanted to mess with that, you could try XMing (was used by users three days
after WSL1 was released). This would be your alternate graphics path option. You would need to set the DISPLAY variable appropriately for this to work.
This is how I got Linux Firefox running on WSL1 (which had no WSLg at the time).

https://www.uwyo.edu/data-science/resources/knowledge-base/x11-with-windows-subsystem-for-linux.html

Your OS components are stored in VHDX containers. There are some namespace tricks
for interworking (the automation can mount the VHDX and give access). I don't do anything fancy for the daily driver.

I dumped Adobe Acrobat Reader, because on every release they were
removing features. When they asked why I uninstalled it (feedback dialog),
I wrote them a note telling them what I thought of their bait and switch.
I have been using Okular in both WSL2 and okular.exe in Windows, since then. And cats even sleep with dogs now. If I want Acrobat, I can try version 9 on
my Win7 on the other machine.

Paul
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