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I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it runs warm
to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously. This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after years of various cool
Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run warm or is it just my model?
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On Mon, 3/16/2026 1:36 AM, AJL wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it runs warm to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously. This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after years of various cool Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run warm or is it just my model?

( https://www.amazon.ca/AWOW-Windows-11-Tablet-Keyboard/dp/B0G1SXB292 )

AWOW Windows 11 Tablet with Keyboard:
10.1" in-Cell Display Tablet PC,
Mini Laptop 2-in-1,
Intel N150, 12GB RAM 256GB SSD,
[USB]PD 36W Fast Charging (charge time 3 hours),
WiFi 6, BT 5.0, HDMI, Type-C, 8MP+5MP Camera

1920 x 1080 pixels
Processor ‎3.6 GHz
Series ‎AiBook 11
Average Battery Life (in hours) ‎7 Hours

"My first day using it my battery lasted about 4 hours before recharging BUT it was not fully charged"

"Nice Features, Runs Warms to Hot, The tablet is Slightly Thicker and Heavier Than Others
Reviewed in the United States on February 24, 2026"

"So far the only significant down side I've noticed is the heat.
Just an extended web browsing session will result in the tablet
getting fairly warm. When I recharged the battery and continued
to use the unit it got very warm to hot to hold."

It charges USBPD but doesn't seem to charge off "lesser" standards.
This could mean the adapter is 15V or so.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/intel-processor-n150-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html

"Processor Base Power 6 W"

That does not cover its turbo behavior.

See if the BIOS settings have any options at all.

For example, on a couple computers in the room, there
is an "eco" setting, which gimps the machine but would
reduce the power consumption. You can turn off Turbo,
which would help a bit.

I would guess something else is wrong with the design,
to be wasting power like that. And especially with
fan cooling... on a 6W processor. Maybe the fan
has no place to draw cool air, and the fan is a
joke ? Make sure there is a flow of warm air coming
out as proof the fan actually blows air. I had one item
from China, where there was a fan and an air intake... but
no exhaust vent. I got my drill out and fixed/repaired that,
by making sure there was a place for air to go :-)

These descriptions of the thermals, suggest it is drawing
25-35W. But you know the battery has a W-h limit, you've
seen it run for X hours, and dividing the two should give
an idea of the average consumption over the battery interval.
Then you can see exactly how bad the hardware is being
treated.

The 6W rating does not take turbo behavior into account.

Tjunction 105°C

it may attempt to Turbo, but if it hits 105C, then it's going
to throttle and not run at 3.6GHz for long. But then the case
of the unit will have to be at a fraction of that temperature,
which could be annoying.

The basic purpose of the fan, is to suck air through the heatsink
that cools the processor+iGPU. Airflow through the rest of the space
can be uneven, which means there could be hotspots. You'll know
when the battery life is too short, that the power consumption
is too high.

Joel Crump has an N150 in a Mini-PC, but I doubt it is getting
as hot as yours is.

A high operating temperature, may not be good for the
prismatic battery cells. Lithium batteries are happy at 35C
but you might be going over that, and 50C is a reasonable limit.

Let us hope there is a BIOS setting that can "turn down the toaster"
in there. Switch off Turbo and test. Enable "ECO" (machine is supposed
to be doing this for itself!). A fan can work miracles... if the
heatsink is good.

Can't find an FCC entry that matches, so getting a screenshot
of the innards is going to be difficult.

Paul
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On 3/16/26 1:16 AM, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 3/16/2026 1:36 AM, AJL wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it runs warm to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously. This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after years of various cool Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run warm or is it just my model?

( https://www.amazon.ca/AWOW-Windows-11-Tablet-Keyboard/dp/B0G1SXB292 )

AWOW Windows 11 Tablet with Keyboard:
10.1" in-Cell Display Tablet PC,
Mini Laptop 2-in-1,
Intel N150, 12GB RAM 256GB SSD,
[USB]PD 36W Fast Charging (charge time 3 hours),
WiFi 6, BT 5.0, HDMI, Type-C, 8MP+5MP Camera

1920 x 1080 pixels

Though many ads say the tablet is FHD it's not. It's HD at 1080x800

Processor ‎3.6 GHz
Series ‎AiBook 11
Average Battery Life (in hours) ‎7 Hours

"My first day using it my battery lasted about 4 hours before recharging BUT it was not fully charged"

Around 5 hours for me. About 1/3 the time of my similar sized Android toys.

"Nice Features, Runs Warms to Hot, The tablet is Slightly Thicker and Heavier Than Others
Reviewed in the United States on February 24, 2026"

"So far the only significant down side I've noticed is the heat.
Just an extended web browsing session will result in the tablet
getting fairly warm. When I recharged the battery and continued
to use the unit it got very warm to hot to hold."

It charges USBPD but doesn't seem to charge off "lesser" standards.
This could mean the adapter is 15V or so.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/intel-processor-n150-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html

"Processor Base Power 6 W"

That does not cover its turbo behavior.

See if the BIOS settings have any options at all.

For example, on a couple computers in the room, there
is an "eco" setting, which gimps the machine but would
reduce the power consumption. You can turn off Turbo,
which would help a bit.

I'd rather not gimp the machine. It's slow enough as it is.

I would guess something else is wrong with the design,
to be wasting power like that. And especially with
fan cooling... on a 6W processor. Maybe the fan
has no place to draw cool air, and the fan is a
joke ? Make sure there is a flow of warm air coming
out as proof the fan actually blows air. I had one item
from China, where there was a fan and an air intake... but
no exhaust vent. I got my drill out and fixed/repaired that,
by making sure there was a place for air to go :-)

There's holes on the back (in) and side (out) for air flow. I just have to
be careful not to lay it down on a flat surface.

These descriptions of the thermals, suggest it is drawing
25-35W. But you know the battery has a W-h limit, you've
seen it run for X hours, and dividing the two should give
an idea of the average consumption over the battery interval.
Then you can see exactly how bad the hardware is being
treated.

The 6W rating does not take turbo behavior into account.

Tjunction 105°C

it may attempt to Turbo, but if it hits 105C, then it's going
to throttle and not run at 3.6GHz for long. But then the case
of the unit will have to be at a fraction of that temperature,
which could be annoying.

The basic purpose of the fan, is to suck air through the heatsink
that cools the processor+iGPU. Airflow through the rest of the space
can be uneven, which means there could be hotspots. You'll know
when the battery life is too short, that the power consumption
is too high.

Joel Crump has an N150 in a Mini-PC, but I doubt it is getting
as hot as yours is.

When I first fired it up the Windows updates made it almost too hot to
touch.

A high operating temperature, may not be good for the
prismatic battery cells. Lithium batteries are happy at 35C
but you might be going over that, and 50C is a reasonable limit.

Let us hope there is a BIOS setting that can "turn down the toaster"
in there. Switch off Turbo and test. Enable "ECO" (machine is supposed
to be doing this for itself!). A fan can work miracles... if the
heatsink is good.

Can't find an FCC entry that matches, so getting a screenshot
of the innards is going to be difficult.

Thanks for your efforts. I'm still curious if other Windows tablets get warm
too. Kinda surprised me as I never had a warm Android tablet. Guess they
weren't that hot of a design. (Sorry couldn't resist.)

I'm resorting to posting this with a (gasp) Chromebook because I couldn't
get the post to transmit using Thunderbird on my new tablet. Kinda makes me
hot having to write this twice. (Sorry again...)

Paul

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On Mon, 3/16/2026 1:06 PM, AJL wrote:

Thanks for your efforts. I'm still curious if other Windows tablets get warm too. Kinda surprised me as I never had a warm Android tablet. Guess they weren't that hot of a design. (Sorry couldn't resist.)

Qualcomm ARM running Windows as a desktop ~24 hours battery life
(Nobody cared about their NPU)

AMD x86 (CISC) Better than Intel (maybe), but warmer than ARM

Intel x86 (CISC) Bless their little hearts, they're trying :-)
They're still a bit warm :-) (N150 waves to you...)

You can run Windows on ARM. If all you wanted was a web browser,
I bet this could work in your favor.

*******

Things you don't know about, are the material science. They
started with Aluminum. Copper came next (big improvement).
Today, there is a dash of "scandium" in there :-) They're working
up the periodic table. Wake me when they're adding Americium
(what's in the smoke alarms) :-)

We had the notion years ago (and as an engineer, I've seen
this in the work we did) that "owning a fab gives you an
edge over the competition". What is supposed to happen,
is if Intel thinks a faster XOR gate would make a better
processor, they have their team "make a new one".

Today, that edge is well and truly gone. Intel owning a fab,
isn't helping them. And, as part of evaluation, you'll notice
Intel made one product, using silicon dies that all came
from TSMC. And the CPU is just as fast as Intel could make.
Intel will keep the technical data from this experience,
the next time there is a boardroom discussion "about fabs".

But Intel owning a fab, means they control their own destiny.
There is no chance of having their arm twisted, and TSMC
"suddenly charging more for an item". There *have* to be
some competing fabrication facilities, or otherwise
we'd really be screwed on price. Your N150 would be
too expensive if one big factory controlled everything.

Paul
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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it runs warm
to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously. This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after years of various cool
Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run warm or is it just my model?

Have a look at what the tablet is actually doing, not what you think
it's (not) doing.

Task Manager -> Performance. Have a look at each of the categories
(CPU, Memory, Disk, WiFi and GPU). The temperature is probably listed
for the GPU, not for the CPU.

In my experience - for my laptop, not a tablet - a high(er)
temperature or/and (more) audible fan is often an indication of some
unexpected CPU or/and GPU activity.

You also spoke about the tablet getting hot during Windows Update
updating. Was the device charging at that time? If so, charging will
produce internal heat. For my laptop, charging is about the only time I
hear its fan.

Finally, there are some performance settings in Settings (search in
Settings on 'performance') and in the 'Power Options' Control Panel
applet. Of course you're not looking for increased performance, but how
to decrease/limit performance in order to limit heat/temperature.
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On 3/16/2026 12:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I
was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it
runs warm to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously.
This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after
years of various cool Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run
warm or is it just my model?

Have a look at what the tablet is actually doing, not what you think
it's (not) doing.

Task Manager -> Performance. Have a look at each of the categories
(CPU, Memory, Disk, WiFi and GPU). The temperature is probably listed
for the GPU, not for the CPU.

In my experience - for my laptop, not a tablet - a high(er)
temperature or/and (more) audible fan is often an indication of some
unexpected CPU or/and GPU activity.

In your scenario your laptop is doing something different than usual. In
my case the tablet has been working normally (warm) from the start.
(Normal warmth according to several owners reviews).

You also spoke about the tablet getting hot during Windows Update
updating. Was the device charging at that time? If so, charging will
produce internal heat.

Of course I left it charging while MS completed about a half hours worth
of updates to bring it up date. Nothing screws updates more than a dead battery. And I suspect that the extra constant updating load on the
electronics contributed to most of the extra heat. I say that because I
often use it both charging and unplugged and notice no difference...


For my laptop, charging is about the only time I

hear its fan.

This fan runs all the time and is quite silent in normal use unless of
course you stick your ear right next to the vent holes.

Finally, there are some performance settings in Settings (search in
Settings on 'performance') and in the 'Power Options' Control Panel
applet. Of course you're not looking for increased performance, but
how to decrease/limit performance in order to limit
heat/temperature.

I'm not complaining about the heat. It doesn't bother me. I was just
surprised this being the first tablet toy I've played with that does it.

And as my title says I just wondered if all Windows tablets were also in
heat (sorry poor choice of words)...

Lets see if TB will work this time. Pushing button (screen) now...




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On Mon, 3/16/2026 4:38 PM, AJL wrote:

On 3/16/2026 12:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I
was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it
runs warm to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously.
This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after
years of various cool Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run
warm or is it just my model?

Have a look at what the tablet is actually doing, not what you think
 it's (not) doing.

Task Manager -> Performance. Have a look at each of the categories
(CPU, Memory, Disk, WiFi and GPU). The temperature is probably listed
for the GPU, not for the CPU.

In my experience - for my laptop, not a tablet - a high(er)
temperature or/and (more) audible fan is often an indication of some
 unexpected CPU or/and GPU activity.

In your scenario your laptop is doing something different than usual. In
my case the tablet has been working normally (warm) from the start.
(Normal warmth according to several owners reviews).

You also spoke about the tablet getting hot during Windows Update
updating. Was the device charging at that time? If so, charging will
 produce internal heat.

Of course I left it charging while MS completed about a half hours worth
of updates to bring it up date. Nothing screws updates more than a dead battery. And I suspect that the extra constant updating load on the electronics contributed to most of the extra heat. I say that because I
often use it both charging and unplugged and notice no difference...

 For my laptop, charging is about the only time I

hear its fan.

This fan runs all the time and is quite silent in normal use unless of
course you stick your ear right next to the vent holes.

Finally, there are some performance settings in Settings (search in
Settings on 'performance') and in the 'Power Options' Control Panel
applet. Of course you're not looking for increased performance, but
how to decrease/limit performance in order to limit
heat/temperature.

I'm not complaining about the heat. It doesn't bother me. I was just surprised this being the first tablet toy I've played with that does it.

And as my title says I just wondered if all Windows tablets were also in
heat (sorry poor choice of words)...

Lets see if TB will work this time. Pushing button (screen) now...

What leads up to Updates, makes the CPU warm.

There is a process which is railed on one core, which
can be the culprit, as it scans the packages in WinSxS
(Windows Side By Side [maintenance tree] ). Later on,
once the package list is computed, the downloads
can begin to bring them onboard.

You can run Task Manager, and you'll see a Service Host
(SVCHOST) near the top of the percentage list. In a terminal do

tasklist /svc

and it lists name versus PID (process ID). Using the Process ID
of the busy SVCHOST in Task Manager, you can scroll through the
tasklist /svc output and translate PID to Name.

And that is how you find out what makes it warm, when
Updates are happening.

*******

Sysinternals Process Explorer gives similar information.

The humorless individuals there, have lifted the requirements
for the program to Windows 11, when really even Win10 should
be able to tell you the same stuff. To use this on Windows 7,
you need an archive.org reference to the right version.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

Paul
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On 3/16/26 3:33 PM, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 3/16/2026 4:38 PM, AJL wrote:

On 3/16/2026 12:22 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I
was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it
runs warm to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously.
This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after
years of various cool Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run
warm or is it just my model?

Have a look at what the tablet is actually doing, not what you think
 it's (not) doing.

Task Manager -> Performance. Have a look at each of the categories
(CPU, Memory, Disk, WiFi and GPU). The temperature is probably listed
for the GPU, not for the CPU.

In my experience - for my laptop, not a tablet - a high(er)
temperature or/and (more) audible fan is often an indication of some
 unexpected CPU or/and GPU activity.

In your scenario your laptop is doing something different than usual. In
my case the tablet has been working normally (warm) from the start.
(Normal warmth according to several owners reviews).

You also spoke about the tablet getting hot during Windows Update
updating. Was the device charging at that time? If so, charging will
 produce internal heat.

Of course I left it charging while MS completed about a half hours worth
of updates to bring it up date. Nothing screws updates more than a dead
battery. And I suspect that the extra constant updating load on the
electronics contributed to most of the extra heat. I say that because I
often use it both charging and unplugged and notice no difference...


 For my laptop, charging is about the only time I

hear its fan.

This fan runs all the time and is quite silent in normal use unless of
course you stick your ear right next to the vent holes.

Finally, there are some performance settings in Settings (search in
Settings on 'performance') and in the 'Power Options' Control Panel
applet. Of course you're not looking for increased performance, but
how to decrease/limit performance in order to limit
heat/temperature.

I'm not complaining about the heat. It doesn't bother me. I was just
surprised this being the first tablet toy I've played with that does it.

And as my title says I just wondered if all Windows tablets were also in
heat (sorry poor choice of words)...

Lets see if TB will work this time. Pushing button (screen) now...

What leads up to Updates, makes the CPU warm.

There is a process which is railed on one core, which
can be the culprit, as it scans the packages in WinSxS
(Windows Side By Side [maintenance tree] ). Later on,
once the package list is computed, the downloads
can begin to bring them onboard.

You can run Task Manager, and you'll see a Service Host
(SVCHOST) near the top of the percentage list. In a terminal do

tasklist /svc

and it lists name versus PID (process ID). Using the Process ID
of the busy SVCHOST in Task Manager, you can scroll through the
tasklist /svc output and translate PID to Name.

And that is how you find out what makes it warm, when
Updates are happening.

*******

Sysinternals Process Explorer gives similar information.

The humorless individuals there, have lifted the requirements
for the program to Windows 11, when really even Win10 should
be able to tell you the same stuff. To use this on Windows 7,
you need an archive.org reference to the right version.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

Paul

I guess that no one here has firsthand knowledge of my title question since
there have been no answers. I suppose that just means no one here has ever
had a Windows tablet. So I guess next time I'm in a Best Buy store I'll
just have to feel up the demo Windows tablets to get my answer...

I may have screwed up cause it's gonna be 104F here in a few days. Having a
tablet heat up the house and load up the AC may have been a bad decision.
I'M KIDDING.

Posted with a nice cool Android tablet (Rubbing it in...)




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On Mon, 3/16/2026 8:12 PM, AJL wrote:

I guess that no one here has firsthand knowledge of my title question since there have been no answers. I suppose that just means no one here has ever had a Windows tablet. So I guess next time I'm in a Best Buy store I'll
just have to feel up the demo Windows tablets to get my answer...

I may have screwed up cause it's gonna be 104F here in a few days. Having a tablet heat up the house and load up the AC may have been a bad decision. I'M KIDDING.

Posted with a nice cool Android tablet (Rubbing it in...)

I can answer that question for you. Windows runs on ARM and x86,
and on the ARM tablet, it will run cooler.

This is my single datapoint, for making the statement.

Qualcomm makes an ARM based laptop, and it runs Windows 11.
It has a battery life of around 24 hours. You would then need
to compare "like to like", if trying to "match" that to an
x86 machine. How many similar x86 machines last that long
(barring some monster-sized battery inside).

*******

It's quite easy when benchmarking things, to make a careless mistake.
A benchmarking article on Tomshardware got pulled down, when
something like an Apple M5 Pro was compared to a 9995WX THreadripper.
The benchmark was not designed to scale to the 96C 192T of the
Threadripper, so the benchmark made poor usage of all that silicon.
Then the Threadripper looks bad, when you don't bench it properly.

Someone at Anandtech, Ian Cutress, used to write benches for computers,
and he had some that could be used to compare "desktop workloads"
on servers, so the audience would have some idea what they were missing.
But generally speaking, some kinds of benches have been poorly done,
and it's up to the writer to converse with his colleagues before an
article is released, to stop the release before a stupid error ruins it.

You can see on this page, that the 9995WSX is 173,772 . The Apple M5 Pro isn't listed, but I can just pick a candidate as a stand-in.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX 173,772

Apple M3 8 Core 19,093

Even if we double that and add 20%, it's still not remotely close. If
we measured the top one for thermals, it might be a 350W beast. The one
below it is a lot less than that (a laptop device for example,
can only handle that much heat, with difficulty).

There have been a few laptops, that drew so much power, they ran off
two power adapters. And even then, if you played a 3D game, the laptop
could *still* manage to continue draining the battery, even with the
two wall adapters connected to it. These are all examples of things
that get "very warm". When comparing any of them, we have to be
careful to apply the same workload.

One person who used to test cooling systems, he used a nichrome heater
as a reference. It kicked out something like 100W. Then, he would
test how a bunch of coolers worked with that "dummy load". That is
a way to test how much a device heats up (due to poorly designed
cooling scheme).

Paul

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On 3/16/26 5:49 PM, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 3/16/2026 8:12 PM, AJL wrote:

I guess that no one here has firsthand knowledge of my title question since >> there have been no answers. I suppose that just means no one here has ever >> had a Windows tablet. So I guess next time I'm in a Best Buy store I'll
just have to feel up the demo Windows tablets to get my answer...

I may have screwed up cause it's gonna be 104F here in a few days. Having a >> tablet heat up the house and load up the AC may have been a bad decision. I'M KIDDING.

Posted with a nice cool Android tablet (Rubbing it in...)

I can answer that question for you. Windows runs on ARM and x86,
and on the ARM tablet, it will run cooler.

This is my single datapoint, for making the statement.

Qualcomm makes an ARM based laptop, and it runs Windows 11.
It has a battery life of around 24 hours. You would then need
to compare "like to like", if trying to "match" that to an
x86 machine. How many similar x86 machines last that long
(barring some monster-sized battery inside).

*******

It's quite easy when benchmarking things, to make a careless mistake.
A benchmarking article on Tomshardware got pulled down, when
something like an Apple M5 Pro was compared to a 9995WX THreadripper.
The benchmark was not designed to scale to the 96C 192T of the
Threadripper, so the benchmark made poor usage of all that silicon.
Then the Threadripper looks bad, when you don't bench it properly.

Someone at Anandtech, Ian Cutress, used to write benches for computers,
and he had some that could be used to compare "desktop workloads"
on servers, so the audience would have some idea what they were missing.
But generally speaking, some kinds of benches have been poorly done,
and it's up to the writer to converse with his colleagues before an
article is released, to stop the release before a stupid error ruins it.

You can see on this page, that the 9995WSX is 173,772 . The Apple M5 Pro isn't >listed, but I can just pick a candidate as a stand-in.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX 173,772

Apple M3 8 Core 19,093

Even if we double that and add 20%, it's still not remotely close. If
we measured the top one for thermals, it might be a 350W beast. The one
below it is a lot less than that (a laptop device for example,
can only handle that much heat, with difficulty).

There have been a few laptops, that drew so much power, they ran off
two power adapters. And even then, if you played a 3D game, the laptop
could *still* manage to continue draining the battery, even with the
two wall adapters connected to it. These are all examples of things
that get "very warm". When comparing any of them, we have to be
careful to apply the same workload.

One person who used to test cooling systems, he used a nichrome heater
as a reference. It kicked out something like 100W. Then, he would
test how a bunch of coolers worked with that "dummy load". That is
a way to test how much a device heats up (due to poorly designed
cooling scheme).

Paul

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet
insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows
tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm.
Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.

If you do want to discuss the technology, knock yourself out. Others here
may find it interesting and that's fine. I'm not technology inclined so
it's pretty much wasted on me.

My GUESS is that a Windows OS device requires more physical electronics to
run than an Android OS device and thus generates more heat. I suspect if
you felt around your Windows 11 laptop you would feel heat. Cram the same
electronics into a tablet size that you hold with a metal case and you
would likely feel the heat even more.

But if someone has a Windows tablet that runs as cool as my Android tablets
do then my guess was wrong...


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On 2026-03-16 20:38, AJL wrote:

And as my title says I just wondered if all Windows tablets were also in
heat (sorry poor choice of words)...

O my gawd! Let's hope they don't start breeding, then we'd really be in trouble!

:-)
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On 2026-03-17 02:43, AJL wrote:

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm.
Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.
If you do want to discuss the technology, knock yourself out. Others here
may find it interesting and that's fine. I'm not technology inclined so
it's pretty much wasted on me.

There are times when Paul's willingness to share his deep level
expertise are very helpful, there are others when it's somewhat overkill
- don't knock it, you never know who else is reading a thread that it
might help, or when you yourself might find it useful in future.

My GUESS is that a Windows OS device requires more physical electronics to run than an Android OS device and thus generates more heat. I suspect if
you felt around your Windows 11 laptop you would feel heat. Cram the same electronics into a tablet size that you hold with a metal case and you
would likely feel the heat even more.

I can't do a like for like comparison between Windows 11 and Android,
but in the past I have done for different versions of Windows. To just display an empty Desktop, no user programs having been launched except
Task Manager to count them:

Trimmed down XP: 26
Trimmed down W7: 39 (inc 6 NVidia services for the Gfx card)
As installed W10: 133 (inc 5 MS Edge processes when Edge isn't open, and
after disabling 18 services before even counting, making 151 in total!)

I presume W11 is at least as bad as W10, most probably worse. I think
the above probably explains the larger part of your problem.
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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

I guess that no one here has firsthand knowledge of my title question since
there have been no answers. I suppose that just means no one here has ever
had a Windows tablet.

Yes, that's what I expected. I've only seen ads for Windows tablets,
but never have seen anyone actually using one (other than laptops which
can also be used as tablets).

So I guess next time I'm in a Best Buy store I'll
just have to feel up the demo Windows tablets to get my answer...

Yup.

[...]
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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet
insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows
tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm.
Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.

An Android tablet is basically a phone with a bigger display. The
display doesn't generate much heat and neither does the bigger battery.

I.e. not an Apples to Apples :-) comparison.

If you do want to discuss the technology, knock yourself out. Others here
may find it interesting and that's fine. I'm not technology inclined so
it's pretty much wasted on me.

My GUESS is that a Windows OS device requires more physical electronics to
run than an Android OS device and thus generates more heat. I suspect if
you felt around your Windows 11 laptop you would feel heat. Cram the same
electronics into a tablet size that you hold with a metal case and you
would likely feel the heat even more.

But if someone has a Windows tablet that runs as cool as my Android tablets
do then my guess was wrong...

Nothing is as cool as *my* laptop! :-)
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On 3/16/2026 1:36 PM, AJL wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I was surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it runs warm
to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously. This is my first Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after years of various cool
Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run warm or is it just my model?

My bet will on the virus and malware scanner (Defender?)!!
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AJL wrote:

I suppose that just means no one here has ever
had a Windows tablet.

I've never owned a MS Surface, but have had a couple of them on loan for
a year or so, or in for repairs ... they have fans but never noticed
them actually getting hot.
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On 3/17/26 5:29 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

AJL wrote:

I suppose that just means no one here has ever
had a Windows tablet.

I've never owned a MS Surface, but have had a couple of them on loan for
a year or so, or in for repairs ... they have fans but never noticed
them actually getting hot.

But were they warm to the touch under normal use is the question.

I suspect so because after reading your post I Bing searched for MS Surface
and found several articles that told what to do if the tablet was "hotter
than normal". But not what was normal. I'm guessing that means warm. Could
you hear the fan under normal use? I suppose a bigger fan means a cooler
device? IIRC those tablets were more expensive than mine so likely of
better quality including cooling. Thanks...


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On 3/17/26 4:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet >> insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows >> tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm.
Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.

An Android tablet is basically a phone with a bigger display. The
display doesn't generate much heat and neither does the bigger battery.

Yup. That kinda makes my point that the extra electronics needed by Windows
is the heat culprit as compared to Android devices. Ever see a Windows 11
phone?

I.e. not an Apples to Apples :-) comparison.

Apples? But this is a Windows group. Or was that your intended joke? Good
one... ;)

If you do want to discuss the technology, knock yourself out. Others here
may find it interesting and that's fine. I'm not technology inclined so
it's pretty much wasted on me.

My GUESS is that a Windows OS device requires more physical electronics to >> run than an Android OS device and thus generates more heat. I suspect if
you felt around your Windows 11 laptop you would feel heat. Cram the same >> electronics into a tablet size that you hold with a metal case and you
would likely feel the heat even more.

But if someone has a Windows tablet that runs as cool as my Android tablets >> do then my guess was wrong...

Nothing is as cool as *my* laptop! :-)

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On Tue, 3/17/2026 11:50 AM, AJL wrote:

On 3/17/26 4:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet >>>  insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows >>>  tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm. >>>  Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.

 An Android tablet is basically a phone with a bigger display. The
display doesn't generate much heat and neither does the bigger battery.

Yup. That kinda makes my point that the extra electronics needed by Windows is the heat culprit as compared to Android devices. Ever see a Windows 11 phone?

 I.e. not an Apples to Apples :-) comparison.

Apples? But this is a Windows group. Or was that your intended joke? Good one...  ;)

If you do want to discuss the technology, knock yourself out. Others here >>>  may find it interesting and that's fine. I'm not technology inclined so >>>  it's pretty much wasted on me.

My GUESS is that a Windows OS device requires more physical electronics to >>>  run than an Android OS device and thus generates more heat. I suspect if >>>  you felt around your Windows 11 laptop you would feel heat. Cram the same >>>  electronics into a tablet size that you hold with a metal case and you >>>  would likely feel the heat even more.

But if someone has a Windows tablet that runs as cool as my Android tablets >>>  do then my guess was wrong...

 Nothing is as cool as *my* laptop! :-)

There is no extra hardware here.

When Windows runs on this, it runs on the same hardware Android uses.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/return-of-windows-phone-this-new-device-runs-android-linux-windows

And that would allow a head-to-head thermal analysis. Boot one OS, feel
how warm it gets running your test bench, then boot over to the
other OS and try to do something similar, compare temps.

Paul
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On Tue, 3/17/2026 7:49 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 3/16/2026 1:36 PM, AJL wrote:

I recently got this AWOW 10" Windows 11 tablet I'm posting with. I was
surprised to find that even with light duty like browsing it runs warm
to the touch. And it has a fan that runs continuously. This is my first
Windows tablet so I was a bit surprised after years of various cool
Android tablets. Do all Windows tablets run warm or is it just my model?

My bet will on the virus and malware scanner (Defender?)!!

[Picture] 36W desktop, 2% CPU load ("Defender"), RyzenMaster measurement

https://i.postimg.cc/wTpDVFvK/No-slouch-at-attempting-to-save-power.gif

The CPU die is running at close to room temperature. 26C or so.

When I came into the room this morning, we'd had high winds last night, and it looks like the computer took a power bump. The fan profile was altered.
The fan on the CPU was... OFF. I checked in RyzenMaster and
it was *still* 26C :-)

The best I can do on my Zen3 collection, is 22W. Power
numbers are measured with a Kill-O-Watt on the mains line cord.
The 22W machine has no plugin cards (uses iGPU for graphics).

The machine in the top picture, used to idle at 33W, but changing
from a 1440x900 monitor to a 3840x2160 monitor, causes the
video card to burn 3W more, raising idle power to 36W.

Things other than the CPU, relatively speaking they draw a lot of power.
This was also the case on my 440BX system in the year 2000. A lot of
cruft in the chipset, the plugin cards, caused quite a power drain.
The CPU only had a single phase SMPS, which means it could not "make"
more than 35W or so. And the total machine power was a *lot* more than that.

Only when a CPU is railed on all cores on 7ZIP, do you see the
power-consuming limits of the CPU.

On a Windows tablet, you don't have enough surface area to
dissipate the heat load. Poorly designed fan schemes are more
or less a joke, if choked badly enough. You need copper and
heatpipes if you want cadaver temperatures.

Paul
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On 2026-03-17 12:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet >> insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows >> tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm.
Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.

An Android tablet is basically a phone with a bigger display. The
display doesn't generate much heat and neither does the bigger battery.

I.e. not an Apples to Apples :-) comparison.

Android has been designed to run on portable devices, small, low
powered, from batteries, for at least a day. And applications are
designed with the same goal. A hungry application gets lower scores.

Windows was never designed for that scenario. You can optimize it, but
it never gets there. Impossible.
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On Tue, 3/17/2026 6:05 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-03-17 12:27, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

Still no answer to my title question. I don't need to know about the tablet >>>   insides to answer it. I just need a human who can feel and owns a Windows
  tablet. My Windows tablet gets warm. My Android tablets don't get warm. >>>   Easy peasy definition with no technology discussion needed.

   An Android tablet is basically a phone with a bigger display. The
display doesn't generate much heat and neither does the bigger battery.

   I.e. not an Apples to Apples :-) comparison.

Android has been designed to run on portable devices, small, low powered, from batteries, for at least a day. And applications are designed with the same goal. A hungry application gets lower scores.

Windows was never designed for that scenario. You can optimize it, but it never gets there. Impossible.

Get out some tools and check.

[Picture] 36W desktop, 2% CPU load ("Defender"), RyzenMaster measurement

https://i.postimg.cc/wTpDVFvK/No-slouch-at-attempting-to-save-power.gif

There were some (apparent to me) minor changes to the scheduler.
When you are railed on one core, the load does not migrate randomly
all over the CPU die. It might oscillate back and forth between
two particular virtual cores. Whether they are on the same physical
core would be an interesting question (as the core numbering is suspect,
in Task Manager).

To "hypermile" my hardware, would require stripping a bunch of stuff out. Remove video card, remove two NICs (leaving a RealTek on the motherboard), leave only one RAM stick in it. Place my smallest monitor on the
output of the iGPU. That would get the best power number.
Turning off Turbo would help.

On some boards, you can even turn off CPU cores, but that's not recommended after a certain $1000 Intel CPU, used to "die" if you set the core count
to exactly "1 core". Other core count settings were OK.

But turning off and defeating hardwares, kinda defeats the money you
spent to get the items.

Paul
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On 3/18/2026 2:20 AM, Paul wrote:

On a Windows tablet, you don't have enough surface area to
dissipate the heat load. Poorly designed fan schemes are more
or less a joke, if choked badly enough. You need copper and
heatpipes if you want cadaver temperatures.

Low-power devices really need special tuning at OS level.
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