• Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    From mummycullen@mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Mar 21 14:03:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    ๐Ÿ˜† Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Mar 21 14:55:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/21/26 2:03 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    ๐Ÿ˜† Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
    I saw an article about some of those and more changes, but I wonder about the "listen to
    all the users' opinions" idea. The article said it was going to show up in the insider
    version. Of course those changes do eventually show up in the mainstream.

    It could be new management somewhere but I'll wait and see. Gladly see, but still wait.
    --
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    Alan K.
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  • From John Hall@john@jhall.co.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Mar 21 19:00:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 21/03/2026 18:03, MummyChunk wrote:
    ๐Ÿ˜† Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans
    to implement everything that has been requested for many years in
    Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??

    Are we sure it's not a premature April Fool?
    --
    John Hall

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    those who divide people into two categories and those who don't
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Mar 21 16:13:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:03:25 -0400, mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    ? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    I got the taskbar to be more than one row by using Explorer Patcher, but
    I'd rather it was built-in. a) The 2024H2 update required uninstalilng
    EP first (although the 2025H2 did not). b) after every MS update I get a message in the bottom right that it's downloading labels to go with
    something that was in the MS update. It says some features won't work
    until the labels are all downloade, and one time or more it suggested
    that only some of them were being provided (although maybe that meant at first). Despite all this, I haven't seen anything not work with EP.

    Why they took out multiple lines in the first place, once they went to
    the trouble of writing it, I can't imainge.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Mar 21 16:21:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/21/26 4:13 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:03:25 -0400, mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    ? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    I got the taskbar to be more than one row by using Explorer Patcher, but
    I'd rather it was built-in. a) The 2024H2 update required uninstalilng
    EP first (although the 2025H2 did not). b) after every MS update I get a message in the bottom right that it's downloading labels to go with
    something that was in the MS update. It says some features won't work
    until the labels are all downloade, and one time or more it suggested
    that only some of them were being provided (although maybe that meant at first). Despite all this, I haven't seen anything not work with EP.

    Why they took out multiple lines in the first place, once they went to
    the trouble of writing it, I can't imainge.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
    What amazes me more than anything is with all the things that MS takes out, there seems to
    be ways that 3rd parties add them back or better yet turn them on. Seems so many of them
    are there but just not enabled. Why is my question.
    --
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    Alan K.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Mar 21 17:43:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 3/21/2026 3:00 PM, John Hall wrote:
    On 21/03/2026 18:03, MummyChunk wrote:
    ๐Ÿ˜† Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??

    Are we sure it's not a premature April Fool?

    I think this is a leg pull.

    Here, Microsoft (in the blue dress), holds
    a football for the users to kick (we're
    that kid on the right).

    https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/charlie-brown-lucy-football.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=1008&h=693&dpr=1.5

    It's not in evidence that Microsoft has any "senses" :-)

    Paul

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  • From Boris@Boris@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 01:51:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:10pn3ej$2pttr$1@dont-email.me:

    On Sat, 3/21/2026 3:00 PM, John Hall wrote:
    On 21/03/2026 18:03, MummyChunk wrote:
    ๐Ÿ˜† Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans
    to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows
    11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??

    Are we sure it's not a premature April Fool?

    I think this is a leg pull.

    Here, Microsoft (in the blue dress), holds
    a football for the users to kick (we're
    that kid on the right).

    https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-
    content/uploads/2024/03/charlie-brown-lucy-football.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w= 1008&h=693&dpr=1.5

    It's not in evidence that Microsoft has any "senses" :-)

    Paul


    NIce, very nice.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 00:17:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 16:21:56 -0400, "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 3/21/26 4:13 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:03:25 -0400,
    mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    ? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    I got the taskbar to be more than one row by using Explorer Patcher, but
    I'd rather it was built-in. a) The 2024H2 update required uninstalilng
    EP first (although the 2025H2 did not). b) after every MS update I get a
    message in the bottom right that it's downloading labels to go with
    something that was in the MS update. It says some features won't work
    until the labels are all downloade, and one time or more it suggested
    that only some of them were being provided (although maybe that meant at
    first). Despite all this, I haven't seen anything not work with EP.

    Why they took out multiple lines in the first place, once they went to
    the trouble of writing it, I can't imainge.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
    What amazes me more than anything is with all the things that MS takes out, there seems to
    be ways that 3rd parties add them back or better yet turn them on. Seems so many of them
    are there but just not enabled. Why is my question.

    I think they are still there too, just bypassed. Although it could also
    be that they are deleted and the 3rd parties copy the code out of
    previous versions.
    I wonder if these 3rd parties are MS employees who wrote or checked
    the code in the first place and maybe they work under a pseudonym.
    Because it seems like it would take even longer if they had to figure
    out what each line is doing.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 02:07:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 3/22/2026 12:17 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 16:21:56 -0400, "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 3/21/26 4:13 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:03:25 -0400,
    mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    ? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    I got the taskbar to be more than one row by using Explorer Patcher, but >>> I'd rather it was built-in. a) The 2024H2 update required uninstalilng
    EP first (although the 2025H2 did not). b) after every MS update I get a >>> message in the bottom right that it's downloading labels to go with
    something that was in the MS update. It says some features won't work
    until the labels are all downloade, and one time or more it suggested
    that only some of them were being provided (although maybe that meant at >>> first). Despite all this, I haven't seen anything not work with EP.

    Why they took out multiple lines in the first place, once they went to
    the trouble of writing it, I can't imainge.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
    What amazes me more than anything is with all the things that MS takes out, there seems to
    be ways that 3rd parties add them back or better yet turn them on. Seems so many of them
    are there but just not enabled. Why is my question.

    I think they are still there too, just bypassed. Although it could also
    be that they are deleted and the 3rd parties copy the code out of
    previous versions.
    I wonder if these 3rd parties are MS employees who wrote or checked
    the code in the first place and maybe they work under a pseudonym.
    Because it seems like it would take even longer if they had to figure
    out what each line is doing.


    Legacy code has been left in the OSes on purpose.
    Calling into them, may give the appearance of old menu structures.

    There would also be the opportunity for Microsoft to remove
    those, on a whim.

    Paul

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 06:47:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    I will believe it when I see it. How about not spying on its users?


    MummyChunk <mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
    ? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 03:57:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 3/22/2026 2:47 AM, Ant wrote:
    I will believe it when I see it. How about not spying on its users?

    They're willing to move the deck-chairs around for you.

    Remember, that this is "not an admission that we were wrong".

    It is recognition of year 2026 business conditions and
    what the MBA told them about their business plan.
    (The "rental OS" on a "$3000 surface machine".)

    If you're in a business this year, the sign over
    your head in the office says:

    "Brace for impact"

    I can see businesses going bankrupt.

    Conditions will not improve either. It's
    going to take years to fix. Years we don't have.

    And in the larger picture (current affairs), this is all irrelevant.
    World events will dwarf whatever is going on in the computer business.

    Paul
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  • From Bill Bradshaw@bradshaw@gci.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 09:41:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and
    plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years
    in Windows 11 with a single update.
    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in
    previous versions of Windows.
    What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will be able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>



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  • From Nick@nick@koohii.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 19:00:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 22.03.2026 18:41, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and
    plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years
    in Windows 11 with a single update.
    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in
    previous versions of Windows.
    What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will be able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>



    I hope you are right Bill. Though, I can't allow myself to hope that
    it's true, only to get disappointed once again.

    As someone already stated, for now, I'll just keep my eye on the whole situation as it unfolds. Something tells me that the whole "Microslop" situation really hurt them, and they are trying their best to get back
    into peoples good graces. And once they do, they'll try to push their
    luck once again.

    One more thing, someone else mentioned that, despite everything, they
    aren't removing any of their telemetry tendrils, nor are they mentioning
    that. That might be a sign that this is all just performative
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 18:07:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Bill Bradshaw wrote:

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different interfaces in including Windows 7

    This sounds more like April 1st the longer it goes on ...


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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 20:15:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 09:41:49 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans
    to implement everything that has been requested for many years in
    Windows 11 with a single update.
    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in
    previous versions of Windows.
    What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different
    interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will be
    able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my
    computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>

    I still remember when I got the preview of Windows 8, and it made my
    computer look like an iPhone. I really don't want that, and didn't use W8. Later Windows got SOMEWHAT better (before W11 got worse, but still not as
    bad as 8).
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty"
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 16:21:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 3/22/2026 2:07 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Bill Bradshaw wrote:

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different interfaces >> in including Windows 7

    This sounds more like April 1st the longer it goes on ...



    "What can we do for amusement ?"

    "I know. Let's troll the users."

    <giggling>

    "ATTENTION. ATTENTION. We're bringing back the Control Panels."

    "There will be a picture of rolling hills, where cows could graze"

    https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/spiceworks/optimized/4X/4/8/8/4889fc7dcdcd2bff9f3987cd462b28786fe307a6_2_621x499.jpeg

    Paul
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  • From pyotr filipivich@phamp@mindspring.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 14:17:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> on 22 Mar 2026 20:15:49 GMT typed
    in alt.comp.os.windows-11 the following:
    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 09:41:49 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different
    interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will be
    able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my
    computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>

    I still remember when I got the preview of Windows 8, and it made my >computer look like an iPhone. I really don't want that, and didn't use W8. >Later Windows got SOMEWHAT better (before W11 got worse, but still not as >bad as 8).

    All I can say is that Windows 11 is a great recommendation for switching to Linux.

    Which I really do not want to do, but until MicroSloth, or Firefox
    buys me a new computer to run the software, what are my options?
    --
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    Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
    Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 17:54:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 3/22/2026 4:15 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 09:41:49 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans
    to implement everything that has been requested for many years in
    Windows 11 with a single update.
    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in
    previous versions of Windows.
    What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different
    interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will be
    able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my
    computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>

    I still remember when I got the preview of Windows 8, and it made my computer look like an iPhone. I really don't want that, and didn't use W8. Later Windows got SOMEWHAT better (before W11 got worse, but still not as bad as 8).


    You know, it was only recently, that I changed the background on
    my copy of Windows 8/8.1 :-) When something is so perfect... you
    tend to leave it in the corner. To its credit, I never did erase
    the Windows 8 drive. When I use it, I can get things done, so
    it isn't a total loss.

    Paul

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  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Mar 22 22:48:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2026-03-22, Nick <nick@koohii.invalid> wrote:
    On 22.03.2026 18:41, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and
    plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years
    in Windows 11 with a single update.
    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in
    previous versions of Windows.
    What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different interfaces >> in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will be able to give up >> Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my computer looking like and >> working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>



    I hope you are right Bill. Though, I can't allow myself to hope that
    it's true, only to get disappointed once again.

    As someone already stated, for now, I'll just keep my eye on the whole situation as it unfolds. Something tells me that the whole "Microslop" situation really hurt them, and they are trying their best to get back
    into peoples good graces. And once they do, they'll try to push their
    luck once again.

    Penny to a pound this will happen.


    One more thing, someone else mentioned that, despite everything, they
    aren't removing any of their telemetry tendrils, nor are they mentioning that. That might be a sign that this is all just performative

    Also a very important point. How every as it workd in the background if will not affect the users experience. Win Win.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 13:28:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/22/2026 2:03 AM, MummyChunk wrote:

    What else is planned to be fixed??


    Employees' attitude? Priority for stupid but rich customers? :)
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 01:47:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 3/23/2026 1:28 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 3/22/2026 2:03 AM, MummyChunk wrote:

    What else is planned to be fixed??


    Employees' attitude? Priority for stupid but rich customers? :)


    Their primary customer is enterprise, which come with IT departments.

    They get more money from that, than from consumer installations.

    You might not see double-height TaskBars on the enterprise SKU.
    At one time, they weren't even allowed to have MSEdge.

    Paul

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 21:45:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 23/03/2026 7:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 09:41:49 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and
    plans to implement everything that has been requested for many
    years in Windows 11 with a single update. Updates can now be
    completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive,
    and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous
    versions of Windows. What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different
    interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we
    will be able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not
    like my computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>

    I still remember when I got the preview of Windows 8, and it made my computer look like an iPhone.

    Sorry!! WHAT?? Windows looking like Apple?? That can't be right, can
    it?? ;-)

    I really don't want that, and didn't use W8. Later Windows got
    SOMEWHAT better (before W11 got worse, but still not as bad as 8).

    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 18:45:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/23/2026 1:47 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 3/23/2026 1:28 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Employees' attitude? Priority for stupid but rich customers? :)

    Their primary customer is enterprise, which come with IT departments.
    They get more money from that, than from consumer installations.

    You might not see double-height TaskBars on the enterprise SKU.
    At one time, they weren't even allowed to have MSEdge.

    GUI changes can affect security, but is it really necessary to deny new
    ideas and drop old features? :)
    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 14:58:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Nick <nick@koohii.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    One more thing, someone else mentioned that, despite everything, they
    aren't removing any of their telemetry tendrils, nor are they mentioning that. That might be a sign that this is all just performative

    You can limit the 'telemetry' ('Diagnostic data'), view what you send
    ('View diagnostic data'), 'Delete diagnostic data' if you want and, last
    but not least, use a local account, so Microsoft does not get any
    personal information.

    FWIW, I get zero 'spam' from Microsoft, let alone any personalized
    content. My 'problem' is the exact opposite, Microsoft doesn't inform
    the user, for example not about what is in a Windows Update update. You
    have to search with the KB number (if any) and hope you find something
    useful there.
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 15:03:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    I still remember when I got the preview of Windows 8, and it made my computer look like an iPhone. I really don't want that, and didn't use W8. Later Windows got SOMEWHAT better (before W11 got worse, but still not as bad as 8).

    Yes, Windows 8 was bad, but Windows 8.1 was quite usable once you put
    the Fisher Price UI to the side and added Classic Start Menu. IMO,
    Windows 10 was actually worse than Windows 8.1 (but could also be beaten
    into submission, like Windows 11 can).
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  • From Bill Bradshaw@bradshaw@gci.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 08:37:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    MummyChunk wrote:
    ?? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and
    plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years
    in Windows 11 with a single update.
    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made
    less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in
    previous versions of Windows.
    What else is planned to be fixed??

    I saw an article yesterday that they are going to offer different
    interfaces in including Windows 7and fix the taskbar. Maybe we will
    be able to give up Open-Shell and Explorer Patcher. I do not like my computer looking like and working like a cellphone.

    <Bill>

    This was not spam and I read it in one of PC Magazine's or PCWorld's news letters I subscribe to. They also had a image of the screen where you would make the interface selection. Now they may be spreading spam and fooling
    me.

    <Bill>


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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 16:45:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 23 Mar 2026 14:58:13 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Nick <nick@koohii.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    One more thing, someone else mentioned that, despite everything, they
    aren't removing any of their telemetry tendrils, nor are they
    mentioning that. That might be a sign that this is all just
    performative

    You can limit the 'telemetry' ('Diagnostic data'), view what you send ('View diagnostic data'), 'Delete diagnostic data' if you want and, last
    but not least, use a local account, so Microsoft does not get any
    personal information.

    FWIW, I get zero 'spam' from Microsoft, let alone any personalized
    content. My 'problem' is the exact opposite, Microsoft doesn't inform
    the user, for example not about what is in a Windows Update update. You
    have to search with the KB number (if any) and hope you find something
    useful there.

    I have never used a Microsoft account, either on 10 or 11. I don't get ads
    in Windows (except once when I tried Solitaire, which had ads).
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
    way of women's emancipation." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 16:57:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 14:17:05 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:

    [snip]

    All I can say is that Windows 11 is a great recommendation for switching to Linux.

    I actually started using Linux when Windows XP came out. "product
    activation" (weak link) caused a lot of problems (IIRC mostly with
    updates), although that has improved. I now use Linux for a lot of things,
    but still keep Windows for things that need it. I actually have 2000, XP,
    7, 10, and 11. All except 7 are on virtual machines.

    Which I really do not want to do, but until MicroSloth, or Firefox
    buys me a new computer to run the software, what are my options?
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
    way of women's emancipation." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 16:59:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 17:54:51 -0400, Paul wrote:

    [snip]

    You know, it was only recently, that I changed the background on my copy
    of Windows 8/8.1 :-) When something is so perfect... you tend to leave
    it in the corner. To its credit, I never did erase the Windows 8 drive.
    When I use it, I can get things done, so it isn't a total loss.

    Paul

    Most of my objections to Win8 applied to the original version. 8.1 was an improvement.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
    way of women's emancipation." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 17:01:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 21:45:14 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    [snip]

    Sorry!! WHAT?? Windows looking like Apple?? That can't be right, can
    it?? ;-)

    That's what the original Win 8 did. I remembering some people calling it
    "tile world".

    I really don't want that, and didn't use W8. Later Windows got SOMEWHAT
    better (before W11 got worse, but still not as bad as 8).
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
    way of women's emancipation." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsQ==?=@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 12:18:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/23/2026 10:01 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 21:45:14 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    [snip]

    Sorry!! WHAT?? Windows looking like Apple?? That can't be right, can
    it?? ;-)

    That's what the original Win 8 did. I remembering some people calling it "tile world".



    Maybe even something just as familiar. <g> <https://i.postimg.cc/PqvJTwpm/History101.jpg>
    --
    ...wยกรฑยงยฑยครฑ
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 20:15:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 23 Mar 2026 16:45:08 GMT
    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:


    []

    I have never used a Microsoft account, either on 10 or 11. I don't get ads in Windows (except once when I tried Solitaire, which had ads).

    I'm pretty sure the old card game didn't have ads. ah, sorry I'm in a w-11
    ng. IGMC.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Mar 23 20:35:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 3/23/2026 4:15 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On 23 Mar 2026 16:45:08 GMT
    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:


    []

    I have never used a Microsoft account, either on 10 or 11. I don't get ads >> in Windows (except once when I tried Solitaire, which had ads).

    I'm pretty sure the old card game didn't have ads. ah, sorry I'm in a w-11 ng. IGMC.


    And you'd know there is a ZIP kicking around with old games
    in it, hand-hacked to run in newer OSes. You can still play WinXP Solitaire... without ads.

    There are a few bytes in those files, the executables, that indicate
    what OS release is the limit for them, and there were people in the
    past, who had figured out the encoding and could use a hex editor
    so that the old solitaire would run on a newer machine. You might find
    four particular bytes difference, between the executable you can see
    on your old WinXP machine, and the same executable (hacked) running
    on a newer system.

    Paul

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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 12:36:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 14:03:25 -0400,
    mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    ? Microsoft has finally come to its senses

    The company has suddenly started listening to users' opinions and plans to implement everything that has been requested for many years in Windows 11 with a single update.

    Updates can now be completely disabled, the AI Copilot will be made less intrusive, and even the taskbar can be moved up, just like in previous versions of Windows.

    What else is planned to be fixed??

    Better the devil you know.
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 20:42:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 24/03/2026 3:45 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

    <Snip>

    I have never used a Microsoft account, either on 10 or 11. I don't get ads
    in Windows (except once when I tried Solitaire, which had ads).

    I don't have a MS Account on this Win11 computer either.

    Usually, each evening, after doing my Interneting, I'll turn off my
    computers Wi-Fi and then start playing Solitaire (which MS always wants
    to update, hence my turning off the Wi-Fi). And two of the five
    Solitaire games (When did Solitaire start have multiple versions?) want
    to 'phone home' to MS to get more board arrangements or some such.

    So I'm limited to just playing the other three versions of Solitaire.
    (When did Solitaire start have multiple versions?) ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 08:20:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/24/26 5:42 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    (When did Solitaire start have multiple versions?) ๐Ÿ˜œ

    Splitting hairs, but solitaire only refers to a game played alone. Thus there are way to
    many to count. I have about 20 I play, and I'm skipping a bunch I don't know the rules
    enough to be able to play.
    --
    Linux Mint 22.3, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.8.1esr, Mozilla Firefox 148.0.2
    Alan K.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 17:26:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 08:20:01 -0400, Alan K. wrote:

    On 3/24/26 5:42 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    (When did Solitaire start have multiple versions?) ๐Ÿ˜œ

    Splitting hairs, but solitaire only refers to a game played alone. Thus there are way to many to count. I have about 20 I play, and I'm
    skipping a bunch I don't know the rules enough to be able to play.

    KPatience (KDE application on Linux) has 14 versions, but the only one I understand is Klondike. It's an ego thing but I like a game where I win
    every now and then.

    KPatience does not phone home.
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 18:47:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 3/23/2026 4:15 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On 23 Mar 2026 16:45:08 GMT
    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

    []

    I have never used a Microsoft account, either on 10 or 11. I don't get ads
    in Windows (except once when I tried Solitaire, which had ads).

    I'm pretty sure the old card game didn't have ads. ah, sorry I'm in a w-11 ng. IGMC.

    And you'd know there is a ZIP kicking around with old games
    in it, hand-hacked to run in newer OSes. You can still play WinXP Solitaire...
    without ads.

    You're probably referring to:

    'Windows 7 Games for Windows 11 and Windows 10' (and Windows 8.1) <https://win7games.com/#games>

    I installed these on my wife's Windows 8.1, 10 and now 11 systems.
    They work perfectly fine and she plays them often. (N.B. The pre-11
    version 2 works fine on Windows 11. I didn't check for a newer version
    and just used the 'old' ZIP file on the new Windows 11 box.)

    [...]
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 20:18:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 20:15:11 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

    On 23 Mar 2026 16:45:08 GMT Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:


    []

    I have never used a Microsoft account, either on 10 or 11. I don't get
    ads in Windows (except once when I tried Solitaire, which had ads).

    I'm pretty sure the old card game didn't have ads. ah, sorry I'm in a
    w-11 ng. IGMC.

    It didn't. I like the one from XP (especially when I found a way to
    disable the "machine gun" sound when dealing), and have copied it to other versions of Windows (2000 and later). The one that had ads came with
    Windows 10.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "You can't kill the truth...Actually you can kill the truth, but it
    always comes back to haunt you" Sheridan, Babylon 5. Contributed by
    Larry Reyka.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 20:23:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 12:18:57 -0700, ...wยกรฑยงยฑยครฑ wrote:

    [snip]

    That's what the original Win 8 did. I remembering some people calling
    it "tile world".



    Maybe even something just as familiar. <g> <https://i.postimg.cc/PqvJTwpm/History101.jpg>

    I used AOL around then, before finding something better. I had forgotten
    how it looked.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "You can't kill the truth...Actually you can kill the truth, but it
    always comes back to haunt you" Sheridan, Babylon 5. Contributed by
    Larry Reyka.
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Mar 24 23:20:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 3/24/26 1:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 08:20:01 -0400, Alan K. wrote:

    On 3/24/26 5:42 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    (When did Solitaire start have multiple versions?) ๐Ÿ˜œ

    Splitting hairs, but solitaire only refers to a game played alone. Thus
    there are way to many to count. I have about 20 I play, and I'm
    skipping a bunch I don't know the rules enough to be able to play.

    KPatience (KDE application on Linux) has 14 versions, but the only one I understand is Klondike. It's an ego thing but I like a game where I win
    every now and then.

    KPatience does not phone home.
    kmahjongg has a bunch of board layouts, some are relatively easy. Shisen-sho is another.
    --
    Linux Mint 22.3, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.8.1esr, Mozilla Firefox 148.0.2
    Alan K.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Mar 25 03:50:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 23:20:06 -0400, Alan K. wrote:

    On 3/24/26 1:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 08:20:01 -0400, Alan K. wrote:

    On 3/24/26 5:42 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    (When did Solitaire start have multiple versions?) ๐Ÿ˜œ

    Splitting hairs, but solitaire only refers to a game played alone.
    Thus there are way to many to count. I have about 20 I play, and I'm
    skipping a bunch I don't know the rules enough to be able to play.

    KPatience (KDE application on Linux) has 14 versions, but the only one
    I understand is Klondike. It's an ego thing but I like a game where I
    win every now and then.

    KPatience does not phone home.
    kmahjongg has a bunch of board layouts, some are relatively easy.
    Shisen-sho is another.

    I sometimes run that when I gt tired of Klondike. gnome-mahjongg isn't bad
    but doesn't have as many layouts and tile faces.
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