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On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 22:38:30 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

If you plan to use that distance to measure your speed, that little
will amount to a nice error in your final speed number you
calculate. And this subthread got started by discussing speed
measurements.

Could that be why the Cops allow a margin of error??

I dunno - my Dad once got a speeding ticket when he was operating
under 'cruise control' which he had set to 3-5 mph below the speed
limit.
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On Sat, 3/21/2026 5:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 22:38:30 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

If you plan to use that distance to measure your speed, that little
will amount to a nice error in your final speed number you
calculate. And this subthread got started by discussing speed
measurements.

Could that be why the Cops allow a margin of error??

I dunno - my Dad once got a speeding ticket when he was operating
under 'cruise control' which he had set to 3-5 mph below the speed
limit.

You can use any city "warning radar" for calibration
of your dashboard readout.

The highways have a "measured mile" you can use for
calibration as well. Count the number of seconds it
takes to traverse the measured mile. Compare to the
speedo you held constant while driving past that.
You must manually hold the speed constant. The math is
easier if you hold at a canonical value, like 60MPH
traverses the measured mile in 60.0 seconds. Any deviation
then tells you how close you're getting to attracting
a ticket.

On older cars, it was quite common for a person to buy
a different wheel and tire combo, that threw off the
calibration. That's why you were supposed to be checking
the calibration. Now with the warning radars that run
off solar power, you have options like that.

Paul
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On 22/03/2026 8:43 am, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 22:38:30 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

If you plan to use that distance to measure your speed, that little
will amount to a nice error in your final speed number you
calculate. And this subthread got started by discussing speed
measurements.

Could that be why the Cops allow a margin of error??

I dunno - my Dad once got a speeding ticket when he was operating
under 'cruise control' which he had set to 3-5 mph below the speed
limit.

I'm the other way.

In various places, on our major highways, 'they' have speed guns set up
with the output speeds displayed so you can see how accurate your cars
speedo display is (taking into account tyre inflation and tread ware).

I'd regularly be sitting on the speed limit and these overhead
guns/readouts would show me doing 3 - 5% LESS than the limit.

So now, on the open road, I regularly/always sit about 3 - 5% ABOVE
(according to my speedo) the displayed speed limit!

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would allow
you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you over!!

Ahh! Urban Myths!!
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Daniel70
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On Mon, 3/23/2026 6:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 22/03/2026 8:43 am, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 22:38:30 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

If you plan to use that distance to measure your speed, that little
will amount to a nice error in your final speed number you
calculate. And this subthread got started by discussing speed
measurements.

Could that be why the Cops allow a margin of error??

I dunno - my Dad once got a speeding ticket when he was operating
under 'cruise control' which he had set to 3-5 mph below the speed
limit.

I'm the other way.

In various places, on our major highways, 'they' have speed guns set up with the output speeds displayed so you can see how accurate your cars speedo display is (taking into account tyre inflation and tread ware).

I'd regularly be sitting on the speed limit and these overhead guns/readouts would show me doing 3 - 5% LESS than the limit.

So now, on the open road, I regularly/always sit about 3 - 5% ABOVE (according to my speedo) the displayed speed limit!

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you over!!

Ahh! Urban Myths!!

They give you a bit of leeway.

For one thing, the radar gun has limits on it too.
It needs to be calibrated once in a while.
And that question may come up in traffic court.

Paul
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On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would
allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you
over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different ways of
doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired 34 years), many
with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway in my jurisdiction
(Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice. Your jurisdiction obviously
may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH leeway
before writing. That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I
was writing the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and
obviously needed my services more. Another reason was selfish. I hated
going to court and the lower over the limit ones would often go while
the 15+ overs knew they were really guilty and seldom did. Cops are
selfish too...

Back on semi-topic (Windows) I'm using my new AWOW tablet's snap on
keyboard and was surprised to find that it's lighted. Heck many of my
past Windows and Chrome laptop toys didn't have lighted keyboards.
Course that may not be all that great for battery life but then it can
be turned off so perhaps only use it sparingly after dark??

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 21:24:57 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

[snip]

I'm the other way.

In various places, on our major highways, 'they' have speed guns set up
with the output speeds displayed so you can see how accurate your cars
speedo display is (taking into account tyre inflation and tread ware).

I passed one of those things recently. It seemed to be accurate, but was
set wrong. It showed a speed limit of 40mph, and was about three feet past
the normal speed limit sign that said 50mph.

[snip]
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
way of women's emancipation." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 21:24:57 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

I'd regularly be sitting on the speed limit and these overhead
guns/readouts would show me doing 3 - 5% LESS than the limit.

So now, on the open road, I regularly/always sit about 3 - 5% ABOVE (according to my speedo) the displayed speed limit!

In the winter I run studded tires on 14" rims as opposed to the street
tires on 15" rims that the car is calibrated for. Between the GPS and the roadside displays I get used to an indicated 40 mph on the speedometer
being a real 35 mph.

Last weekend I switched the tires. Now I have to condition myself to 40
mph being a real 40 mph.

The two Suzuki bikes also read low, which is common for Japanese bikes.
Once again 40 mph indicated is closer to 35 mph. The Harley, however, is accurate. All this is pertinent because a stretch of road on my way to
town is posted at 35 and the cops love to sit along it.
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On 24/03/2026 3:06 am, AJL wrote:

On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would
allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you
over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different ways
of doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired 34
years), many with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway in my jurisdiction (Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice. Your
jurisdiction obviously may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH
leeway before writing.

*WOW* !! 15MPH!! Back in the day when we used MPH (swapped in the late
70's, I think), on our major Highways/Freeways, the limit was 60MPH ....
so you were giving 25% leeway. Thank you!! ;-P

That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I was writing
the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and obviously
needed my services more.

Hang on!! Didn't just the sight of you writing someone a ticket have a beneficial effect on the passing drivers?? I'm sure it did/does on me.
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Daniel70
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On 24/03/2026 3:40 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 21:24:57 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

[snip]

I'm the other way.

In various places, on our major highways, 'they' have speed guns set up
with the output speeds displayed so you can see how accurate your cars
speedo display is (taking into account tyre inflation and tread ware).

I passed one of those things recently. It seemed to be accurate, but was
set wrong. It showed a speed limit of 40mph, and was about three feet past the normal speed limit sign that said 50mph.

[snip]

So .... on the part of the road where it is testing your speed (several
yards BEFORE the speed gun and BEFORE the speed limit change) that part
of the roadway would have had a speed limit of 40mph, surely?? ;-P
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On 3/23/2026 9:06 AM, AJL wrote:

On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would
allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you
over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different ways of
doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired 34 years), many
with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway in my jurisdiction
(Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice. Your jurisdiction obviously
may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH leeway
before writing. That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I
was writing the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and
obviously needed my services more. Another reason was selfish. I hated
going to court and the lower over the limit ones would often go while
the 15+ overs knew they were really guilty and seldom did. Cops are
selfish too...

Back on semi-topic (Windows) I'm using my new AWOW tablet's snap on
keyboard and was surprised to find that it's lighted. Heck many of my
past Windows and Chrome laptop toys didn't have lighted keyboards.
Course that may not be all that great for battery life but then it can
be turned off so perhaps only use it sparingly after dark??

Thanks for your service.

Quite a few years back(iirc 1996), during a snow ski trip, I received a
ticket in another country for 7 mph over posted limit.
I asked the officer why I was stopped. His response, after merging into traffic everyone in front was over the limit, my vehicle just happened
to be the person in front of him(i.e. the last vehicle in a line of
multiple vehicles all over the limit).
I mailed the ticket stub and a check for the amount in U.S. dollars -
also kept a paper copy of the ticket and check(made on a copy machine at CompUSA)
The check was never cashed, about 2 months after not seeing the check cashed(two bank statments), I sent a follow-up letter to the same
address with copy of the check and the ticket number and asked why the
check had not been cashed.
A month later, they sent me a notice that the ticket was cancelled and
for some unknown reason a check for the amount of ticket(in their
country's dollars) which I deposited in the bank. 4 weeks later the
equivalent U.S. conversion $ amount was deposited in my checking account.

Never did find out why the ticket was cancelled, nor after two
attempts(to pay the ticket and question why the check wasn't cashed)
worry about it any more, or even question why they paid me to travel 7
mph over the speed limit.

After all these years, I still keep that ticket copy, check copy, cancel notice, and copy of their check in my vehicle glove box - just in case I
ever get stopped in that country.

The other country?
Canada, city Guelph.
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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
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On 24/03/2026 9:03 pm, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

On 3/23/2026 9:06 AM, AJL wrote:

On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would
allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you
over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different ways of
doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired 34 years), many
with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway in my jurisdiction
(Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice. Your jurisdiction obviously
may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH leeway
before writing. That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I
was writing the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and
obviously needed my services more. Another reason was selfish. I hated
going to court and the lower over the limit ones would often go while
the 15+ overs knew they were really guilty and seldom did. Cops are
selfish too...

Back on semi-topic (Windows) I'm using my new AWOW tablet's snap on
keyboard and was surprised to find that it's lighted. Heck many of my
past Windows and Chrome laptop toys didn't have lighted keyboards.
Course that may not be all that great for battery life but then it can
be turned off so perhaps only use it sparingly after dark??

Thanks for your service.

Quite a few years back(iirc 1996), during a snow ski trip, I received a ticket in another country for 7 mph over posted limit.
I asked the officer why I was stopped. His response, after merging into traffic everyone in front was over the limit, my vehicle just happened
to be the person in front of him(i.e. the last vehicle in a line of
multiple vehicles all over the limit).

Back in mid-70's, I had my Probationary Licence which, for the first
twelve months, meant I could drive on my own or with passengers .... but
I was speed limited to 50mph.

The speed limit on our open highways was 60mph. One time on an busy
single lane open highway, I was doing my 50mph and the cars were
building up behind me Five! Ten! Twenty, maybe.

So I speed up to the road advertised limit, 60mph, and, sure enough, the
third or fourth car behind me was an unmarked Cop car who pulled me over
.... and I lost that licence for, I think, twelve months!!
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On 3/24/26 2:16 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 24/03/2026 3:06 am, AJL wrote:

On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would
allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you
over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different ways
of doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired 34
years), many with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway in my
jurisdiction (Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice. Your
jurisdiction obviously may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH
leeway before writing.

*WOW* !! 15MPH!! Back in the day when we used MPH (swapped in the late
70's, I think), on our major Highways/Freeways, the limit was 60MPH ....
so you were giving 25% leeway. Thank you!! ;-P

That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I was writing
the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and obviously
needed my services more.

Hang on!! Didn't just the sight of you writing someone a ticket have a >beneficial effect on the passing drivers?? I'm sure it did/does on me.

Yes I'm sure it did. I know it does on me. I can't imagine the ribbing I
would get from the family if I got a ticket. Our department also used to
park unused marked police cars by the roadside to get what we called the
halo effect: everybody became good little boys and girls as they slowed
down when they drove by...

Back to semi on topic (Windows). I gave that hot Windows tablet that I've
been complaining about here to a great-grandkid yesterday. I'm now
officially Windowless again. I wonder how long I can last this time. So no
more Window pains for me (ha ha)...
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On 3/24/26 3:03 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

On 3/23/2026 9:06 AM, AJL wrote:

On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops would
allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother pulling you
over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different ways of
doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired 34 years), many
with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway in my jurisdiction
(Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice. Your jurisdiction obviously
may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH leeway
before writing. That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I
was writing the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and
obviously needed my services more. Another reason was selfish. I hated
going to court and the lower over the limit ones would often go while
the 15+ overs knew they were really guilty and seldom did. Cops are
selfish too...

Back on semi-topic (Windows) I'm using my new AWOW tablet's snap on
keyboard and was surprised to find that it's lighted. Heck many of my
past Windows and Chrome laptop toys didn't have lighted keyboards.
Course that may not be all that great for battery life but then it can
be turned off so perhaps only use it sparingly after dark??

Thanks for your service.

Thanks. I quit a tech job at Motorola to go do it and enjoyed the change. I
think things were better back then though. And where else could I have
completely retired at age 50...

Quite a few years back(iirc 1996), during a snow ski trip, I received a >ticket in another country for 7 mph over posted limit.
I asked the officer why I was stopped. His response, after merging into >traffic everyone in front was over the limit, my vehicle just happened
to be the person in front of him(i.e. the last vehicle in a line of
multiple vehicles all over the limit).
I mailed the ticket stub and a check for the amount in U.S. dollars -
also kept a paper copy of the ticket and check(made on a copy machine at >CompUSA)
The check was never cashed, about 2 months after not seeing the check >cashed(two bank statments), I sent a follow-up letter to the same
address with copy of the check and the ticket number and asked why the
check had not been cashed.
A month later, they sent me a notice that the ticket was cancelled and
for some unknown reason a check for the amount of ticket(in their
country's dollars) which I deposited in the bank. 4 weeks later the >equivalent U.S. conversion $ amount was deposited in my checking account.

Never did find out why the ticket was cancelled, nor after two
attempts(to pay the ticket and question why the check wasn't cashed)
worry about it any more, or even question why they paid me to travel 7
mph over the speed limit.

After all these years, I still keep that ticket copy, check copy, cancel >notice, and copy of their check in my vehicle glove box - just in case I >ever get stopped in that country.

The other country?
Canada, city Guelph.

In my state Arizona USA the speed law 28-701A is what's called reasonable
and prudent. You're not automatically guilty at 7 mph over the limit. If
you took that ticket to court here I'm sure you would be found not guilty
unless you had rear-ended somebody going 5 MPH and that's the code they
would have used. So at 3 AM when there's no traffic on the road 10+ over
might be reasonable whereas in heavy traffic with a nearby school in
session then not so much. The cop makes the first decision and the judge
(if you go to court) makes the final one...


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On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 20:22:14 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

[snip]

I passed one of those things recently. It seemed to be accurate, but
was set wrong. It showed a speed limit of 40mph, and was about three
feet past the normal speed limit sign that said 50mph.

[snip]

So .... on the part of the road where it is testing your speed (several
yards BEFORE the speed gun and BEFORE the speed limit change) that part
of the roadway would have had a speed limit of 40mph, surely?? ;-P

No, the limit was 55mph there. A few blocks past the device it was 45mph.
This was on the way into town.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"You can't kill the truth...Actually you can kill the truth, but it
always comes back to haunt you" Sheridan, Babylon 5. Contributed by
Larry Reyka.
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 15:13:04 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote:

[snip]

Back to semi on topic (Windows). I gave that hot Windows tablet that
I've
been complaining about here to a great-grandkid yesterday. I'm now
officially Windowless again. I wonder how long I can last this time. So
no more Window pains for me (ha ha)...

The first Window pains I thought of were about updates, which seem to be
much slower than they should be. Linux updates much faster.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"You can't kill the truth...Actually you can kill the truth, but it
always comes back to haunt you" Sheridan, Babylon 5. Contributed by
Larry Reyka.
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On Tue, 3/24/2026 4:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 15:13:04 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote:

[snip]

Back to semi on topic (Windows). I gave that hot Windows tablet that
I've
been complaining about here to a great-grandkid yesterday. I'm now
officially Windowless again. I wonder how long I can last this time. So
no more Window pains for me (ha ha)...

The first Window pains I thought of were about updates, which seem to be much slower than they should be. Linux updates much faster.

The OSes do not approach updates the same way.

Let us take a practical example. You see the word "Python" and
you're sitting on your little Linux box. What do you notice.
"Oh, I can't use that, because that was written for Python 2.6".
You're denied a lot of things because of the inflexibility of
your chosen ecosystem. Once the treeherders remove the Python
2.6 tree from your distro, you're screwed.

Both systems have their own concept of "DLL hell". Part of the
runtime price you pay for on Windows Update, is related to managing
that mess. Linux answers that question by limiting you to
managed-tree applications. If you run something from outside
the tree, yes, you can probably do it by compiling from
source for a while. But if a commercial entity was involved,
their interest in supporting your "frozen in time" release
would be zero after a couple years, and if they had to maintain
that executable, they'd want a constant stream of money to do it.

Watch Alan try to maintain MythTV on his PC, and recompile
the driver for his TV Tuner card, over and over again.
(When the kernel changes, you need to use DKMS for your custom
driver.) Do I have to do that for my Hauppauge TV tuner card ? No.
On Windows, "that sucker still runs".

Be a little more careful about what you wish for. You have to
be a Nerd Plus, to keep any really varied pile of shit
running on Linux. ("If it's not broken, you aren't
trying hard enough.") If all you do is surf Web Pages, then yes,
Linux looks Superb Then. Of course, my kitchen toaster
also looks Superb as a web surfing machine. My dog gives
me updates from CNN, the compute load is so low. But you will
find topics that will try your patience on Linux.

To help Alan with MythTV, when I didn't have his TV Tuner card
to work with, I had to Google my ass off, figure out which
"bad instructions" he was following, and remind him of the
correct instructions (which he had figured out for himself
in a previous time -- ya gotta keep notes!). His complaint was
some files were missing, whereas the source package I had in
hand, had two files that pointed to the one I got, being
suited to keeping his MythTV running. It took me about
four or five days to offer assistance, because I noticed
those files while unpacking a candidate.

Another thing that will try your patience, is setting up
WINE properly on Linux. I can warn you ahead of time to
"make a backup before you start messing around". When
you flub it and have to start over again, you will thank
me that you have a backup in hand. Otherwise, on my own,
I have on multiple occasions, broken WINE beyond repair,
and just reinstalled the OS (just not on the same day,
later, after I'd cooled off). There are some other
forms of "packaged WINE" which will work better than
trying to use the In-Tree version. In some cases,
you won't know whether you're supposed to be installing
.NET from Microsoft, or some version of Mono instead.
You might not even know what Mono is (you're in winetricks,
trying to pick items to add). You may need to
enable multilib in your package manager, so that both
wine32 and wine64 work when you need them. There is no
hint in the tree materials, that you need to do that.
Then when you have "half a WINE tree", you'll be starting
over again when you figure that out.

So yes, WINE is in your tree. It's like that bicycle they
ship to you that says "some assembly required". And when
you're finished, you're riding a unicycle and there are
a lot of spare parts on the floor. They could do better.
Really they could. The ten or so license classifications,
the tree-herders are unlikely to want to wade into that.
But third parties have been able to make a better looking
"kit" that sorta looks like a bicycle and not like your
unicycle.

Some of you will succeed at this. Just not all of you.

It's a good thing you no longer have to figure out
how to get the NIC running, on your brand new Linux OS.
They've gotten pretty good at that.

Paul

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On 25/03/2026 2:13 am, AJL wrote:

On 3/24/26 2:16 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 24/03/2026 3:06 am, AJL wrote:

On 3/23/2026 3:24 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

Tie into that the Urban Myth I heard yonks ago that the Cops
would allow you about 3% leeway as well before they'd bother
pulling you over!! Ahh! Urban Myths!!

Cops are people too (some would disagree) and so have different
ways of doing things. I have 25 years of experience (now retired
34 years), many with a radar gun. There were no rules on leeway
in my jurisdiction (Phoenix AZ USA) so it was personal choice.
Your jurisdiction obviously may be different.

On the main roads (not school zones, etc.) I often gave 15 MPH
leeway before writing.

*WOW* !! 15MPH!! Back in the day when we used MPH (swapped in the
late 70's, I think), on our major Highways/Freeways, the limit was
60MPH .... so you were giving 25% leeway. Thank you!! ;-P

That's because if I did 5 MPH many cars going by while I was
writing the ticket were going by at 15+ MPH over the limit and
obviously needed my services more.

Hang on!! Didn't just the sight of you writing someone a ticket
have a beneficial effect on the passing drivers?? I'm sure it
did/does on me.

Yes I'm sure it did. I know it does on me. I can't imagine the
ribbing I would get from the family if I got a ticket. Our department
also used to park unused marked police cars by the roadside to get
what we called the halo effect: everybody became good little boys and
girls as they slowed down when they drove by...

Same but different .... our Road Authorities have taken to parking cars
that have been in prangs/stacks as a warning to us Drivers.

Back to semi on topic (Windows). I gave that hot Windows tablet that
I've been complaining about here to a great-grandkid yesterday.

Meanwhile, I'm gifting my Grand-nephew (7 yo) a couple box sets of
"Famous Five" and "Secret Seven" Enid Blyton books. I had wondered if he
might have been a E-Books Devices-Kid but my Niece said No, he was a
books kid.

I'm now officially Windowless again. I wonder how long I can last
this time. So no more Window pains for me (ha ha)...

One day I'll stick Linux on this desktop.
--
Daniel70
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On 3/25/26 2:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 25/03/2026 2:13 am, AJL wrote:

I gave that hot Windows tablet that
I've been complaining about here to a great-grandkid yesterday.

Out of curiosity I popped the back off the tablet before I gave it away. The
fan is approximately 2x2 inches. I'm surprised it was as quiet as it was.
I'm also surprised people would use it as a tablet because it does get
uncomfortable to hold at times depending on the use. My GUESS is that it's
more used as a mini-laptop with it's detachable keyboard because it's very
small and light and easy to carry. And when used as a laptop sitting on a
table the heat would not be a problem.

Meanwhile, I'm gifting my Grand-nephew (7 yo) a couple box sets of
"Famous Five" and "Secret Seven" Enid Blyton books. I had wondered if he >might have been a E-Books Devices-Kid but my Niece said No, he was a
books kid.

I've got a 15 year old great-grandkid like that. I can't talk her into
reading ebooks on a tablet like I do. Or even those light easy to carry
paperbacks. She insists on the real thing. She gets them at the library so
they're cheap. Although, my last Kindle ebook was 50 cents US so that's
pretty cheap too. How do authors make any money with prices like that?

I'm now officially Windowless again. I wonder how long I can last
this time. So no more Window pains for me (ha ha)...

One day I'll stick Linux on this desktop.

This Chromebook I'm posting with apparently has Linux stuff available. In
settings it says: "Linux development environment
Run developer tools, IDEs, and editors". I've not tried it though.

And Windows stuff is listed there too: "OneDrive, add your Microsoft
account" and "Microsoft 365: Open Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files".

BTW Windows also has the update advantage. This Chromebook stops getting
updates a little more than a year from now and I've only had it for around
3 years. I didn't realize at the time that the updates time limit (AUE)
starts at the devices release date. If you find a very cheap one check the
AUE as the seller may be trying to get rid of old stock. But no worries
with the folks here. Who in a Windows group would have a (gasp)
Chromebook... 8-O
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2026 16:27:21 -0000 (UTC), AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

I've got a 15 year old great-grandkid like that. I can't talk her into
reading ebooks on a tablet like I do. Or even those light easy to carry paperbacks. She insists on the real thing. She gets them at the library so they're cheap. Although, my last Kindle ebook was 50 cents US so that's pretty cheap too. How do authors make any money with prices like that?

They take a loss on every sale but they make it up in volume.

Old business joke, sometimes misattributed to Henry Ford.

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On Wed, 3/25/2026 12:27 PM, AJL wrote:

On 3/25/26 2:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 25/03/2026 2:13 am, AJL wrote:

I gave that hot Windows tablet that
I've been complaining about here to a great-grandkid yesterday.

Out of curiosity I popped the back off the tablet before I gave it away. The fan is approximately 2x2 inches. I'm surprised it was as quiet as it was.
I'm also surprised people would use it as a tablet because it does get uncomfortable to hold at times depending on the use. My GUESS is that it's more used as a mini-laptop with it's detachable keyboard because it's very small and light and easy to carry. And when used as a laptop sitting on a table the heat would not be a problem.

<<snip>>

Who in a Windows group would have a (gasp) Chromebook...  8-O

As a tablet, the fan is likely to be extremely thin (depth of
fan 10mm or less), so the air performance of the fan is not going
to be all that great. And especially with a declaration it
is "quiet". It may be relying on conduction for cooling, as
much as for that airflow. If you had to tear away any thermal
pads to get in there, that could be the conduction cooling
path the designer used.

If it had a decent BIOS, you could adjust the settings,
make them less aggressive, and that should make it run cooler.

*******

To give an example of "adjusting things", I was doing some
compression runs on the big machine 16C 32T. I was using 7ZIP.
I noticed late in the run, that there was a lot of temperature
fluctuation. This is caused when not many cores are busy
at the moment (7ZIP is not loading more data to compress,
until laggard threads are finished). The control of the CPU
allows the clock to be raised, when few cores are railed, and
the temperature then shoots up.

I finally decided to use the Affinity control on the 7ZIP process.
I turned on CPU0,2,4,6...30 and turned off 1,3,...31. That is
half the cores and maybe that is like turning off SMT. That
reduces the performance by 10%, but magically the temperature
dropped about 15 degrees and did not vary quite as much as before.
That's an example of a tuning process for a long term compute run.

It is not practical to steer a computer that way, using Task Manager
manually to do it, but it demonstrates that knowledge of how
the processor tuning keeps pushing the CPU "to the outside of
the envelope", a little "counter-tuning" can bring back a bit
of margin. No hardware was in any danger, running without
the tuning, but things were just better balanced with the
hyperthread cores disabled for that specific running program.

*******

There is the odd collector out there, who has one of everything,
and they would have a Chromebook.

I've run the Chromebook software on the Test Machine, using
Neverware CloudReady. Google bought them and put them out of
business, and while Google does offer a successor to that
product, it is not really designed for desktops (it does not
install if it detects an NVidia desktop video card, it is
mainly for iGPU devices like your Intel tablet).

So in fact, if you wanted, you could take your Intel tablet
and repurpose it as a Chromebook :-)

"Here is the USB drive download page for "Chrome OS Flex" free upgrade for PCs and Macs:
https://chromeenterprise.google/os/chromeosflex/
"

There is a lot of beating around the bushes and circular
Googlean Logic, but then...

https://support.google.com/chromeosflex/answer/11541904

On your device, download the latest ChromeOS Flex installer image.

https://dl.google.com/chromeos-flex/images/latest.bin.zip

Use the command to write the image to USB (just like the instructions
for installing a Linux hybrid ISO onto a USB stick):

sudo dd if=image_name.bin of=/dev/sdN bs=4M status=progress

image_name.bin - The name of the downloaded installer file
/dev/sdN - The USB drive

so if you wanted to blow away what was currently on the Intel tablet
with iGPU, you could convert the thing to a kind of Chromebook
(then check the temperatures). Purely as an experiment of course.
The other ingredient, is to attach a Google Account to it.
That makes it practical.

That was part of Googles plan to recycle Windows computers, but
with the hardware restriction of only iGPU support, not a lot
of desktops will immediately qualify.

At least with Neverware, it tried to install. The Test Machine
with NVidia card, worked just fine with NeverWare. But a second
machine I tried, the installer did not finish. That at least,
could (some of the time) repurpose old desktops for ChromeOS usage
without having to pull any hardware out of them.

Paul
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On 3/25/26 10:20 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

my last Kindle ebook was 50 cents US so that's
pretty cheap. How do authors make any money with prices like that?

They take a loss on every sale but they make it up in volume.
Old business joke, sometimes misattributed to Henry Ford.

Good one.

Many years back I used to steal my ebooks from the Usenet ebook groups. Then
a son-in-law became an author and I got religion and have bought them ever
since. I seldom pay more than 10 bucks (US) for one, usually from self
published authors, and at those prices I wonder why I ever thought I needed
to steal them...


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On 3/25/26 10:28 AM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 3/25/2026 12:27 PM, AJL wrote:

I've run Chromebook software on the Test Machine, using
Neverware CloudReady. Google bought them and put them out of
business, and while Google does offer a successor to that
product, it is not really designed for desktops (it does not
install if it detects an NVidia desktop video card, it is
mainly for iGPU devices like your Intel tablet).

So in fact, if you wanted, you could take your Intel tablet
and repurpose it as a Chromebook :-)

Perhaps you missed it. I gave my hot tablet away a few days ago. I'm now
Windowless...

"Here is the USB drive download page for "Chrome OS Flex" free upgrade for PCs and Macs:
https://chromeenterprise.google/os/chromeosflex/

I don't currently own any PCs or Macs. But thanks anyway.

That was part of Googles plan to recycle Windows computers,

Google is always trying something. Now Chromebooks will be evolving. When
older models like mine lose support, Google plans to merge ChromeOS with
Android, potentially branded as "Aluminum OS,". I'm not sure I'm looking
forward to the change...



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