Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States,
On 3/25/26 18:29, WatchMan wrote:
Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States,
TDS is a mental illness.
Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States, has banned all foreign-made routers with immediate effect. The
fact sheet states:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 01:29:33 +0000, WatchMan wrote:
Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States, has banned all foreign-made routers with immediate effect. The fact sheet states:
You think he knows the 'made in US' routers have foreign hardware?
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that
there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to
improve/maintain security! NOT!
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that
there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 3/25/26 18:29, WatchMan wrote:
Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States,
TDS is a mental illness.
The symptoms include thinking that Trump has any sense at all!
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that
there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to
improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
A little while ago, I found out that my wife's Beelink Mini-PC is
Chinese and earlier I found out that our 'Japanese' Kenwood SmartRadio
is for the most essential part also Chinese. So we're doomed! :-)
OTOH, these days if we have to choose between American and Chinese ...
:-(
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that
there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to
improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
A little while ago, I found out that my wife's Beelink Mini-PC is
Chinese and earlier I found out that our 'Japanese' Kenwood SmartRadio
is for the most essential part also Chinese. So we're doomed! :-)
OTOH, these days if we have to choose between American and Chinese ...
:-(
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that
there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to
improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist
mentioned that there is no such thing as 'a made in US router',
not hardware wise and not firmware wise. To add insult to
injury, they are banning security updates to existing routers.
Yes, that's the way to improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in
China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
I know that "Red" China thinks Taiwan is part of China,
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan currently
one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia counts as
friendly?
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or some
such??
Daniel70 wrote:
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or some
such??
Well, the "Chinese Dream" is to reincorporate ROC into PRC by the 100th anniversary of the latter, which is in 2049.
Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States, has banned all foreign-made routers with immediate effect. The
fact sheet states:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 01:29:33 +0000, WatchMan wrote:
Donald J. Trump, the insane, brain-damaged President of the United
States, has banned all foreign-made routers with immediate effect. The
fact sheet states:
You think he knows the 'made in US' routers have foreign hardware?
On Tue, 3/31/2026 2:20 AM, John wrote:
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that >>>>> there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to
improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
As far as I know, this ban is on "any foreign country",
and the ban is on processing the item through the FCC.
You have to get some sort of approvals for things
like RF emissions (or emissions in the wrong bands).
You cannot get to the approval process, without applying
for a waiver of some sort (no one will review your gadget
without a "special" permission). Some units may still be imported >(eventually) as a result. I don't know if the process can be
appealed, can go through a court or not. Presumably the people
who cooked this up, have thought of all of this beforehand.
Whether a lot of kit is made in Taiwan or Vietnam, likely does
not matter.
Since existing routers already have passed through the FCC process,
they are not pulling those approvals. They are not driving through
the countryside and gathering up all the existing routers
and burning them in a bonfire.
It just means new models,
maybe a unit with Wifi 8 won't get past the border (because
it won't have FCC approval and the FCC won't work on it).
Once the old models are MD (manufacturer discontinued),
then things will get interesting.
Paul--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
You can re-program the routers with open source firmware.
On 31/03/2026 5:20 pm, John wrote:
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist
mentioned that there is no such thing as 'a made in US router',
not hardware wise and not firmware wise. To add insult to
injury, they are banning security updates to existing routers.
Yes, that's the way to improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in
China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
I know that "Red" China thinks Taiwan is part of China,
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or some
such??
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan currently
one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia counts as
friendly?
What's with this "USAlia" thing?? Are you trying to improve the
appearance of U.S. of A. by associating it with Australia?? ;-P
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or some
such??
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan currently
one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia counts as
friendly?
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 20:49:26 +1100, Daniel70[...]
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
What's with this "USAlia" thing?? Are you trying to improve the
appearance of U.S. of A. by associating it with Australia?? ;-P
You don't have a name, so I gave you two to choose from:
USofA and its demonym USofAn
and
USAlia and USAlien.
I prefer the latter because y'all are weird. Lovely at times but
definitely weird.
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist mentioned that
there is no such thing as 'a made in US router', not hardware wise
and not firmware wise. To add insult to injury, they are banning
security updates to existing routers. Yes, that's the way to
improve/maintain security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
I know that "Red" China thinks Taiwan is part of China, and Taiwan
thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan currently one of the
very, very few "good countries" that USAlia counts as friendly?
A little while ago, I found out that my wife's Beelink Mini-PC is
Chinese and earlier I found out that our 'Japanese' Kenwood SmartRadio
is for the most essential part also Chinese. So we're doomed! :-)
Only if we stop trading with "Red" China because Taiwan can't
possibly supply everyone with everything we need or want.
OTOH, these days if we have to choose between American and Chinese ...
:-(
The US considers Taiwan an ally, yes.
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 20:49:26 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 31/03/2026 5:20 pm, John wrote:
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist
mentioned that there is no such thing as 'a made in US
router', not hardware wise and not firmware wise. To add
insult to injury, they are banning security updates to
existing routers. Yes, that's the way to improve/maintain
security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in
China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
I know that "Red" China thinks Taiwan is part of China,
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or
some such??
Really?
Isn't it the other way around? The *real* Chinese government moved
off-shore a while back and wants to go home to claim its rightful
place in the Sunlight.
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan
currently one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia
counts as friendly?
What's with this "USAlia" thing?? Are you trying to improve the
appearance of U.S. of A. by associating it with Australia?? ;-P
You don't have a name, so I gave you two to choose from:
USofA and its demonym USofAn
and
USAlia and USAlien.
I prefer the latter because y'all are weird. Lovely at times but
definitely weird.
No, you are *not* the only "Americans". That term includes everyone
from pole to pole including the bears. *Canadians* are "Americans",
as are Mexicans and Perubians.
Please don't tell the Canadians that I said that. :)
John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 20:49:26 +1100, Daniel70[...]
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
What's with this "USAlia" thing?? Are you trying to improve the
appearance of U.S. of A. by associating it with Australia?? ;-P
You don't have a name, so I gave you two to choose from:
USofA and its demonym USofAn
and
USAlia and USAlien.
I prefer the latter because y'all are weird. Lovely at times but
definitely weird.
FYI, Daniel70 is an Aussie (Australian),
not a US citizen ('seppo' in Strine (slang for Australian (the
language))).
[...]
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or
some such??
No. I think you're confusing it a bit with Hong Kong. Hong Kong was a
British colony, which the Brits had on a long term lease which ended
in 1997. (I think that's accurate.)
At any rate, the Brits had to hand it back to China in 1997, and
Beijing has been tightening its grip ever since. No such thing
applies to Taiwan, but Beijing does consider Taiwan to belong to
China. The Taiwanese disagree.
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan
currently one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia
counts as friendly?
The US considers Taiwan an ally, yes.
On 1/04/2026 12:19 am, John wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 20:49:26 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 31/03/2026 5:20 pm, John wrote:
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist
mentioned that there is no such thing as 'a made in US
router', not hardware wise and not firmware wise. To add
insult to injury, they are banning security updates to
existing routers. Yes, that's the way to improve/maintain
security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in
China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
I know that "Red" China thinks Taiwan is part of China,
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or
some such??
Really?
Isn't it the other way around? The *real* Chinese government moved
off-shore a while back and wants to go home to claim its rightful
place in the Sunlight.
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan
currently one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia
counts as friendly?
What's with this "USAlia" thing?? Are you trying to improve the
appearance of U.S. of A. by associating it with Australia?? ;-P
You don't have a name, so I gave you two to choose from:
USofA and its demonym USofAn
and
USAlia and USAlien.
I prefer the latter because y'all are weird. Lovely at times but
definitely weird.
No, you are *not* the only "Americans". That term includes everyone
from pole to pole including the bears. *Canadians* are "Americans",
as are Mexicans and Perubians.
Please don't tell the Canadians that I said that. :)
Usually, when people here-abouts talk about 'America', I respond along
the lines of "America. Is that Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? .... ".
Strangely, nobody seems able to answer THAT question.
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 21:11:18 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 1/04/2026 12:19 am, John wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 20:49:26 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 31/03/2026 5:20 pm, John wrote:
On 30 Mar 2026 18:54:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
On 3/30/2026 8:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
A recent CNET article by a long time router specialist
mentioned that there is no such thing as 'a made in US
router', not hardware wise and not firmware wise. To add
insult to injury, they are banning security updates to
existing routers. Yes, that's the way to improve/maintain
security! NOT!
I use a router supplied by my ISP... :-O
Me too. It's probably also made in
China/Korea/<insert_'bad'_country>.
Isn't a lot of kit made in Taiwan?
I know that "Red" China thinks Taiwan is part of China,
Isn't Taiwan supposed to be handed back to 'Red' China in 2049 or
some such??
Really?
Isn't it the other way around? The *real* Chinese government moved
off-shore a while back and wants to go home to claim its rightful
place in the Sunlight.
and Taiwan thinks she's the *Real* China, but isn't Taiwan
currently one of the very, very few "good countries" that USAlia
counts as friendly?
What's with this "USAlia" thing?? Are you trying to improve the
appearance of U.S. of A. by associating it with Australia?? ;-P
You don't have a name, so I gave you two to choose from:
USofA and its demonym USofAn
and
USAlia and USAlien.
I prefer the latter because y'all are weird. Lovely at times but
definitely weird.
No, you are *not* the only "Americans". That term includes everyone
from pole to pole including the bears. *Canadians* are "Americans",
as are Mexicans and Perubians.
Please don't tell the Canadians that I said that. :)
Usually, when people here-abouts talk about 'America', I respond along
the lines of "America. Is that Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? .... ".
Strangely, nobody seems able to answer THAT question.
Perhaps, you should ask them "'America'? Do you mean 'Mexico'?", that
would certainly bother a whole herd of USAliens.
The type of USofAns who would reject the notion of Mexicans being
"Americans" are also those least likely to know that your choices
*are* in "America".
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