Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
They WILL hacked. Sorry.
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
The concern is “what hurts me most if things go wrong”.
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force everyone to use:
ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
They WILL hacked. Sorry.
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the least with
Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
The concern is “what hurts me most if things go wrong”.
Your thoughts?
-T
On 4/3/26 6:25 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
I think online's safer than the old post office mailings which had my SS#
and other personal info in them. I often get other folks snail mail mis-delivered to me. Visa versa I'm sure.
They WILL hacked. Sorry.
All the hundreds of millions accounts? 8-O
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
And you believe robots?
The concern is “what hurts me most if things go wrong”.
You probably are in more danger of having your (on topic) Windows 11
machine
hacked...
On Fri, 4/3/2026 9:25 PM, T wrote:
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
You always seem to be on a secret mission, T.
Paul
On 4/3/26 20:23, AJL wrote:
On 4/3/26 6:25 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
I think online's safer than the old post office mailings which had my SS#
and other personal info in them. I often get other folks snail mail
mis-delivered to me. Visa versa I'm sure.
They WILL hacked. Sorry.
All the hundreds of millions accounts? 8-O
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
And you believe robots?
Why do you think I am asking here?
The concern is “what hurts me most if things go wrong”.
You probably are in more danger of having your (on topic) Windows 11
machine
hacked...
All my Windows machines (XP, 7, 10, 2x11) are qemu-kvm
virtual machines and are typically powered off until I have
a customer I need to fire them up to research something
for them.
My host computer is obviously NOT Windows.
And I do NO on-line banking.
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
Your thoughts?
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
They WILL hacked. Sorry.
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
The concern is “what hurts me most if things go wrong”.
Your thoughts?
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
They WILL hacked. Sorry.
ChatGPT seems to think the damage from a hack is the
least with Login.gov and the worst with ID.me.
The concern is “what hurts me most if things go wrong”.
Your thoughts?
Don't use ChatGPT for hypotheticals that it cannot consider well.
Your concern is based on personal risk appetite. There are plenty of bad options, but no single best.
On 4/3/2026 6:25 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
Your thoughts?
Late to the party?
The SS web site logon requirements for ID.me and Login.gov have been
in effect over 270 days(9 months)
Paranoia in spades then? Got it.
So how do you file your US income tax?
Post
Office? Now that would be scary...
On 4/4/26 00:05, AJL wrote:
Paranoia in spades then? Got it.
Oh you called that! Two weeks ago, I helped a customer
file with the FBI over a few dollars short loss of
$100,000.00.
You should not be using Windows with on line banking.
You should not being using eMail if you fall for phishing
attacks.
On 4/4/26 00:05, AJL wrote:
[T has] Paranoia in spades then? Got it.
Oh you called that! Two weeks ago, I helped a customer file with the
FBI over a few dollars short loss of $100,000.00.
You should not be using Windows with on line banking.
You should not being using eMail if you fall for phishing attacks.
So how do you file your US income tax? Post Office? Now that would
be scary...
Yup. Post office has a whole bunch of cops working for them that
take things really serious. One of their employees get out of line
and oh holy ...
By the way, if you get your IRS refund check sent by direct deposit
and they send it to the wrong recipient, you are screwed. IRS does
not care.
Back 30 years ago when I first started this, check washing was the
big deal. Now-a-days, I have not heard of that a for years. Too
easy and too much money in electronic fraud.
And law enforcement seems to not care. This is as much of a law
enforcement issue and it is a technical issue.
That said, out post office has a new sorting machines that mangles
and destroys things on a regular basis. Come to think of it, they
would be a good solution to toxic waste, what they do not lose, they
will destroy.
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:25:29 -0700, T wrote:
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR or Login.gov.
Belgian government requires users to use their eID to log in on
government websites (pension, taxes, ...). We can use our eID (with RFID chip) in a card reader or use an app like Itsme on our phone. We've been doing that for /years/ now. So?
<https://eid.belgium.be/en>
<https://www.itsme-id.com/en-be/>
OTOH, the Dutch governement has to abide by EU anti-competition rules. Catch-22!
On 05/04/2026 15:44, Frank Slootweg wrote:
OTOH, the Dutch governement has to abide by EU anti-competition rules. Catch-22!
Not necessarily. National security interests take priority over
competition rules. Otherwise, the Chinese could take over all utility companies, including those involved in power, electricity, energy,
nuclear power, transport, and water.
Allowing anything to a US corporation would be a recipe for disaster.
On 4/3/2026 6:25 PM, T wrote:
[quoted text muted]
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR or Login.gov.
Your thoughts?
Late to the party?
The SS web site logon requirements for ID.me and Login.gov have been
in effect over 270 days(9 months)
Important: New Medicare log in page experience
Next time you visit the Medicare account log in page (if you--
haven't already), you'll see a new log in page with some new
options to access your Medicare information.
You'll see we've partnered with three leading identity
verification services ? ID.me, CLEAR and Login.gov ? that you
can now use to access your Medicare account on Medicare.gov.
These services help prevent fraud and ensure you're the only one
who can access your information. And these services are all free
to use!
If you already use one of these trusted services with another
government agency, like the IRS or Social Security, that's great!
You can use your existing ID.me, CLEAR or Login.gov account to
log in to your Medicare account.
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:25:29 -0700, T wrote:
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
Belgian government requires users to use their eID to log in on
government websites (pension, taxes, ...). We can use our eID (with RFID chip) in a card reader or use an app like Itsme on our phone. We've been doing that for /years/ now. So?
<https://eid.belgium.be/en>
<https://www.itsme-id.com/en-be/>
s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:25:29 -0700, T wrote:
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
Belgian government requires users to use their eID to log in on
government websites (pension, taxes, ...). We can use our eID (with RFID
chip) in a card reader or use an app like Itsme on our phone. We've been
doing that for /years/ now. So?
<https://eid.belgium.be/en>
<https://www.itsme-id.com/en-be/>
Exactly! Our system, DigiD exists since late 2004, so nearly 22 years!
It's not only used for governmental sites, but also medical
institutions, health insurance, etc, etc..
But it's nice to hear that the US is joining this century, albeit a
'bit' late! :-)
The only bad news is that the Dutch service company (Solvinity ) which provides the infrastructure platform on which DigiD runs, will possibly
be taken over by an US company (Kyndryl). As all US companies fall under
the US Cloud Act, that introduces serious privacy and autonomy concerns. OTOH, the Dutch governement has to abide by EU anti-competition rules. Catch-22! :-(
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiD> <https://www.logius.nl/onze-dienstverlening/domeinen/toegang/digid/digid-door-de-jaren-heen>
<https://www.digid.nl/>
<https://www.digid.nl/solvinity>
On 4/4/26 01:49, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
On 4/3/2026 6:25 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
The (US) social Security web site is trying to force
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
Your thoughts?
Late to the party?
The SS web site logon requirements for ID.me and Login.gov have been
in effect over 270 days(9 months)
Hmmmmm. You have not been reading SS's spam. This from two
days ago:
Note: At this time, you can still use your username
and password from when you created your Medicare account.
Eventually you will only be able to use one of the three
new services listed above [ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.]
I noticed that you did not answer my question about which of
the three was the most dangerous when they get hacked.
So, the USA is finally arriving at the XXI century :-D
Medicare is not Social Security.
As usual, your attempts to change what you originally intended to complain/comment continues.
I noticed that you did not answer my question about which of
the three was the most dangerous when they get hacked.
And for good reason. Fear mongering just propagates more fight or flight responses, another form of catastrophizing(your usual "MO" regarding Windows).
On Sat, 4 Apr 2026 01:49:02 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:My experience from just yesterday:
On 4/3/2026 6:25 PM, T wrote:
[quoted text muted]
everyone to use: ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov.
Your thoughts?
Late to the party?
The SS web site logon requirements for ID.me and Login.gov have been
in effect over 270 days(9 months)
Indeed. And Medicare has just announced that they are going to
require ID.me, CLEAR, or Login.gov:
Subject line of email:
Important: New Medicare log in page experience
Text:
Next time you visit the Medicare account log in page (if you
haven't already), you'll see a new log in page with some new
options to access your Medicare information.
You'll see we've partnered with three leading identity
verification services ? ID.me, CLEAR® and Login.gov ? that you
can now use to access your Medicare account on Medicare.gov.
These services help prevent fraud and ensure you're the only one
who can access your information. And these services are all free
to use!
If you already use one of these trusted services with another
government agency, like the IRS or Social Security, that's great!
You can use your existing ID.me, CLEAR® or Login.gov account to
log in to your Medicare account.
Anti-Trump Brigade <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/04/2026 15:44, Frank Slootweg wrote:
OTOH, the Dutch governement has to abide by EU anti-competition
rules. Catch-22!
Not necessarily. National security interests take priority over
competition rules. Otherwise, the Chinese could take over all
utility companies, including those involved in power, electricity,
energy, nuclear power, transport, and water.
Yes, that's the way it should be, but sadly it's not the way it is.
At least formally, the US is still considered our 'friend' (FSVSVO
'friend').
As to the Chinese, they are already doing what you say they should
not be able to do. For example taking a major stake in one of
Europe's biggests (or the biggest?) ports, Rotterdam. Just one on
(too many) examples.
On Sun, 5 Apr 2026 20:42:26 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
So, the USA is finally arriving at the XXI century :-D
No, the US is arriving at a surveillance society that the Eurotrash implemented long ago. There are enemies foreign and domestic; we have
plenty of the latter.
On 4/5/26 13:14, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Medicare is not Social Security.
As usual, your attempts to change what you originally intended to
complain/comment continues.
Same people handle it
On Sun, 5 Apr 2026 20:42:26 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
So, the USA is finally arriving at the XXI century :-D
No, the US is arriving at a surveillance society that the Eurotrash implemented long ago. There are enemies foreign and domestic; we have
plenty of the latter.
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