It wouldn't be the first time the TATDIS fell into an alternate dimension.
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass murdering genocidal monster from another dimension.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up fake
ones?
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass
murdering genocidal monster from another dimension.
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that
believes that the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually
the Master's, i.e. the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass
murdering genocidal monster," and not the Doctor.
The Master only pretended that it was the Doctor's past to trick the--
Doctor into thinking the Doctor was evil in hopes that the Doctor
would then reunite with the Master and they could do evil together.
Of course, I have heard that RTD2 doubled-down on the Timeless Child
really being the Doctor, so there is that.
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf balls, >>>>> golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same positions they
were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were still
in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that in the
episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
and where they have always been.
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the moon >>>>> during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says she was on the moon when that happened? Once
again, I don’t remember seeing her in the episode.
Is Aggy making stuff up again?
RTD said she was based on the moon. Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff
about what might have happened to her?
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf balls, >>>>> golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same positions they
were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were still
in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that in the
episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
and where they have always been.
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the moon >>>>> during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says she was on the moon when that happened? Once
again, I don’t remember seeing her in the episode.
Is Aggy making stuff up again?
RTD said she was based on the moon. Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff
about what might have happened to her?
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
----
solar penguin
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/11/2025 21:23, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/24/2025 1:20 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/24/2025 11:43 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/11/2025 19:16, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/23/2025 11:40 AM, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10fvlst$1mstp$1@dont-email.me>, Tim
Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> wrote:
On 11/23/2025 9:46 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/11/2025 12:50, The Doctor wrote:
Happy 62 Doctor Who.
You are just suffering from a Cancer called the
Timeless Child.
Once that cancer is removed, you will be healthy
again.
Doctor Who died in 2017, at the age of 54, of a
massive coronary infarction.
Happy what would have been its 62nd birthday.
You got the cause of death wrong, it's actual that
The True Doctor declared them dead (IMHO
prematurely).
Please explain.
The problems you all see with the timeless child et al,
aren't in the show, they're in you all.
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass
murdering genocidal monster from another dimension.
Where do you get "mass murdering and genocidal"? Why not
gender swamping, or homosexual? It was established a while
ago the Rasalon regenerated as different sexes. (When Clara
Oswald killed them and and they regenerated as a different
sex.)
Also it's established that The Doctor is comfortably with
homosexuality, re Jack Harkness.
Also The Master/Missie.
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have never
seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise his
appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with
exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf
balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same
positions they were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the
moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations on
the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does he haveWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his former
companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
----
Daniel70
On 26/11/2025 6:00 am, Tim Merrigan wrote:
<Snip>
It wouldn't be the first time the TATDIS fell into an alternate dimension. >>"TATDIS"??
----
Daniel70
On 26/11/2025 09:23, solar penguin wrote:
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf balls, >>>>>> golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same positions they
were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were still
in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that in the
episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
and where they have always been.
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
According to Kill the Moon they will, even after the moon has been
destroyed after 90% of it's mass flew into space, and then came back
again out of nothing.
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
Wrong. You demonstrate that you have no understanding of Chaos Theory.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the moon >>>>>> during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says she was on the moon when that happened? Once
again, I don’t remember seeing her in the episode.
Is Aggy making stuff up again?
RTD said she was based on the moon. Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff
about what might have happened to her?
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
He said she was based on the Moon during the Sarah Jane Adventures.
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
It's mentioned at the end of the SJA episode he wrote featuring Matt Smith.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
It's still a problem with the episode which means that nothing from that >episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened. There is no >possible way to suspend disbelief.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
The reason why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside has been explained >multiple times including at the start of The Robots of Death, therefore >there is suspension of disbelief. It also does not affect anything on
Earth.
There was no explanation whatsoever for why the laws of gravity and >conservation of energy were systematically violated in Kill the Moon.
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes
and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew >away?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass murdering
genocidal monster from another dimension.
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that believes
that
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the Master's,
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
The Master only pretended that it was the Doctor's past to trick the
Doctor
into thinking the Doctor was evil in hopes that the Doctor would then
reunite with the Master and they could do evil together.
Of course, I have heard that RTD2 doubled-down on the Timeless Child
really
being the Doctor, so there is that.
* SLMR 2.1a * OPCODE: MWAG = Make Wild-Assed Guess--
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up fake
ones?
Yeah, Kill the Moon had enough issues on its own for sure.
* SLMR 2.1a * Profanity, the language of computer professionals--
On 25/11/2025 11:12 am, Dumas Walker wrote:
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass
murdering genocidal monster from another dimension.
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that
believes that the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually
the Master's, i.e. the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass
murdering genocidal monster," and not the Doctor.
Aww!! Interesting idea!!
--The Master only pretended that it was the Doctor's past to trick the--
Doctor into thinking the Doctor was evil in hopes that the Doctor
would then reunite with the Master and they could do evil together.
Of course, I have heard that RTD2 doubled-down on the Timeless Child
really being the Doctor, so there is that.
Daniel70
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/11/2025 21:23, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/24/2025 1:20 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/24/2025 11:43 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/11/2025 19:16, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/23/2025 11:40 AM, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10fvlst$1mstp$1@dont-email.me>, Tim
Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> wrote:
On 11/23/2025 9:46 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/11/2025 12:50, The Doctor wrote:
Happy 62 Doctor Who.
You are just suffering from a Cancer called the
Timeless Child.
Once that cancer is removed, you will be healthy
again.
Doctor Who died in 2017, at the age of 54, of a massive >>>>>>>>>>> coronary infarction.
Happy what would have been its 62nd birthday.
You got the cause of death wrong, it's actual that
The True Doctor declared them dead (IMHO
prematurely).
Please explain.
The problems you all see with the timeless child et al,
aren't in the show, they're in you all.
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass
murdering genocidal monster from another dimension.
Where do you get "mass murdering and genocidal"? Why not
gender swamping, or homosexual? It was established a while
ago the Rasalon regenerated as different sexes. (When Clara
Oswald killed them and and they regenerated as a different
sex.)
Also it's established that The Doctor is comfortably with
homosexuality, re Jack Harkness.
Also The Master/Missie.
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have never
seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise his
appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with
exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf
balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same
positions they were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the
moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations on
the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does he haveWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his former
companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass murdering
genocidal monster from another dimension.
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that believes
that
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the Master's,
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
The Master only pretended that it was the Doctor's past to trick the
Doctor
into thinking the Doctor was evil in hopes that the Doctor would then
reunite with the Master and they could do evil together.
Of course, I have heard that RTD2 doubled-down on the Timeless Child
really
being the Doctor, so there is that.
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/11/2025 21:23, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/24/2025 1:20 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/24/2025 11:43 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/11/2025 19:16, Tim Merrigan wrote:
On 11/23/2025 11:40 AM, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10fvlst$1mstp$1@dont-email.me>, Tim
Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> wrote:
On 11/23/2025 9:46 AM, The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/11/2025 12:50, The Doctor wrote:
Happy 62 Doctor Who.
You are just suffering from a Cancer called the
Timeless Child.
Once that cancer is removed, you will be healthy
again.
Doctor Who died in 2017, at the age of 54, of a massive >>>>>>>>>>>> coronary infarction.
Happy what would have been its 62nd birthday.
You got the cause of death wrong, it's actual that
The True Doctor declared them dead (IMHO
prematurely).
Please explain.
The problems you all see with the timeless child et al,
aren't in the show, they're in you all.
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass
murdering genocidal monster from another dimension.
Where do you get "mass murdering and genocidal"? Why not
gender swamping, or homosexual? It was established a while
ago the Rasalon regenerated as different sexes. (When Clara
Oswald killed them and and they regenerated as a different
sex.)
Also it's established that The Doctor is comfortably with
homosexuality, re Jack Harkness.
Also The Master/Missie.
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have never
seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise his
appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions'
(i.e. parallel universes) all comply with the laws of conservation of >energy.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with
exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they landed
on the moon and stood on it.
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf
balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same
positions they were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags, laser reflectors, rocket stages,
and other stuff started being put on the moon. If you claim that they >weren't then all of history after 1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the
moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations on
the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does he haveWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his former
companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 25/11/2025 11:12, Dumas Walker wrote:
The Doctor isn't a homosexual race and gender swapping mass murdering
genocidal monster from another dimension.
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that believes
that
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the Master's,
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
That was all contradicted with the ending of Flux which showed Whittaker
and Martin to both be the Timeless Child monster as confirmed by the
child murdering bitch Tekteun and the pocket watch she gave Whittaker.
The Master only pretended that it was the Doctor's past to trick the
Doctor
into thinking the Doctor was evil in hopes that the Doctor would then
reunite with the Master and they could do evil together.
Of course, I have heard that RTD2 doubled-down on the Timeless Child
really
being the Doctor, so there is that.
RTD killed the series off completely by making the Doctor gay and not >erasing the Timeless Child monster at the very first opportunity. All
the sick disgusting pervert cared about was using the show to sexually
groom children and even admitted it by saying that he though Doctor Who
was too white, the masculine, and too heterosexual, as well as getting >thrilled every time a young boy told him that he had discovered he was >homosexual after watching something Davies wrote or produced. The
repulsive and disgusting pervert should have been kicked out of the >entertainment industry the moment he said that.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 26/11/2025 6:00 am, Tim Merrigan wrote:
<Snip>
It wouldn't be the first time the TATDIS fell into an alternate dimension. >>"TATDIS"??
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf balls, >>>>> golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same positions they
were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were still
in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that in the
episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
and where they have always been.
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the moon >>>>> during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says she was on the moon when that happened? Once
again, I don’t remember seeing her in the episode.
Is Aggy making stuff up again?
RTD said she was based on the moon. Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff
about what might have happened to her?
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
On 2025-11-26 10:52:49 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 26/11/2025 6:00 am, Tim Merrigan wrote:
<Snip>
It wouldn't be the first time the TATDIS fell into an alternate dimension. >>>"TATDIS"??
Time And Total Distance In Space
It's the TARDIS's equivalent of a car's odometer. ;-)
On 2025-11-26 09:23:32 +0000, solar penguin said:
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags, golf balls, >>>>>> golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the same positions they
were before, and with exactly the same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were still
in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that in the
episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
They aren't there now ... we all know the Moon was blown out of Earth's >obrit back in 1999, we saw it in the "documentary" show, 'Space: 1999'.
;-)
and where they have always been.
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on the moon >>>>>> during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Who says she was on the moon when that happened? Once
again, I don’t remember seeing her in the episode.
Is Aggy making stuff up again?
RTD said she was based on the moon. Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff
about what might have happened to her?
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have
never seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise
his appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even
canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The
Conservation of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories
that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions' (i.e. parallel universes) all
comply with the laws of conservation of energy.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a
giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and
then the moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had
before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they
landed on the moon and stood on it.
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags,
golf balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the
same positions they were before, and with exactly the same
features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags,
laser reflectors, rocket stages, and other stuff started being put on
the moon. If you claim that they weren't then all of history after
1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on
the moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations
on the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does heWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his
former companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
have the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
On 2025-11-26 10:52:49 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 26/11/2025 6:00 am, Tim Merrigan wrote:
<Snip>
It wouldn't be the first time the TATDIS fell into an alternate"TATDIS"??
dimension.
Time And Total Distance In Space
It's the TARDIS's equivalent of a car's odometer. ;-)
On 27/11/2025 4:04 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have
never seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise
his appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even
canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The
Conservation of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions' (i.e. parallel universes) all
comply with the laws of conservation of energy.
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a
giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and
then the moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had
before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they
landed on the moon and stood on it.
So it DID happen. Glad to know!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags,
golf balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the
same positions they were before, and with exactly the same
features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags,
Sorry! Which 'American' flag?? Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? ....
laser reflectors, rocket stages, and other stuff started being put on
the moon. If you claim that they weren't then all of history after
1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on
the moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations
on the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
O.K., which 'Universe' was that then, Aggy??
Oh!! Yes, Aggy. Have YOU??When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does heWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his
former companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
have the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
----
Daniel70
On 27/11/2025 8:25 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-11-26 10:52:49 +0000, Daniel70 said:Ah!! I can see that ..... NOT!!
On 26/11/2025 6:00 am, Tim Merrigan wrote:
<Snip>
It wouldn't be the first time the TATDIS fell into an alternate"TATDIS"??
dimension.
Time And Total Distance In Space
It's the TARDIS's equivalent of a car's odometer. ;-)
----
Daniel70
moonOr do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
thesomehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with exactly
same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also claiming
that
the moon landings were all faked?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that believes
that
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the Master's,
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
moonOr do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
thesomehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with exactly
same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also claiming
that
the moon landings were all faked?
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happened in
this
dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
The end result being that the mirrors, golf balls, Liz Shaw, etc.,
would
still be on the Moon in our dimension (because it isn't an egg in this
one), while in the "Egg dimension" Liz may never have been on the Moon
and
those other objects might/might not have ever been.
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
In this dimension, history would have continued as it did.
Far fetched, yes, but it is really the only way you can make it work...
if
you want it to work.
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War sealed
the
"walls" of this dimension making travel into another one very
difficult.
* SLMR 2.1a * Adolescence - the time between puberty and adultery.--
On 27/11/2025 4:04 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have
never seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise
his appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even
canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The
Conservation of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions' (i.e. parallel universes) all
comply with the laws of conservation of energy.
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a
giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and
then the moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had
before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they
landed on the moon and stood on it.
So it DID happen. Glad to know!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags,
golf balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the
same positions they were before, and with exactly the same
features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags,
Sorry! Which 'American' flag?? Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? ....
laser reflectors, rocket stages, and other stuff started being put on
the moon. If you claim that they weren't then all of history after
1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on
the moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations
on the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
O.K., which 'Universe' was that then, Aggy??
Oh!! Yes, Aggy. Have YOU??When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does heWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his
former companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
have the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
moonOr do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
thesomehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with exactly
same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also claiming
that
the moon landings were all faked?
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happened in
this
dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one where Moon >landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
The end result being that the mirrors, golf balls, Liz Shaw, etc.,
would
still be on the Moon in our dimension (because it isn't an egg in this
one), while in the "Egg dimension" Liz may never have been on the Moon
and
those other objects might/might not have ever been.
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
In this dimension, history would have continued as it did.
Far fetched, yes, but it is really the only way you can make it work...
if
you want it to work.
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War sealed
the
"walls" of this dimension making travel into another one very
difficult.
* SLMR 2.1a * Adolescence - the time between puberty and adultery.--
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
Melissa
On 27/11/2025 10:57, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/11/2025 4:04 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we have
never seen that ever occur. He has the ability to disguise
his appearance or to take over other people's bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even
canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The
Conservation of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
IN ALL UNIVERSES OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T EXIST AND WE COULDN'T EXIST IN THEM!
that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions' (i.e. parallel universes) all
comply with the laws of conservation of energy.
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
IN ALL UNIVERSES OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T EXIST AND WE COULDN'T EXIST IN THEM!
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a
giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and
then the moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had
before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened, right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they
landed on the moon and stood on it.
So it DID happen. Glad to know!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags,
golf balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the
same positions they were before, and with exactly the same
features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags,
Sorry! Which 'American' flag?? Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? ....
The stars and stripes.
laser reflectors, rocket stages, and other stuff started being put on
the moon. If you claim that they weren't then all of history after
1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based on
the moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was stations
on the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
O.K., which 'Universe' was that then, Aggy??
I already said that in the sentence 4 lines above. Do they teach people
to read in Australia?
Oh!! Yes, Aggy. Have YOU??When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions?? Does heWhy didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw, his
former companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
have the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
Unlike you I have watched hundreds.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <764091480@darkrealms.ca>,
NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca says...
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, that believes
that
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the Master's,
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
That would be a lot better.
It's a bad sign for a show when the fan theories are
preferable to what they actually give us.
Melissa
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
Melissa
Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with
exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also claiming
that the moon landings were all faked?
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happened in
this dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one
where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
The end result being that the mirrors, golf balls, Liz Shaw, etc.,
would still be on the Moon in our dimension (because it isn't an egg
in this one), while in the "Egg dimension" Liz may never have been
on the Moon and those other objects might/might not have ever been.
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
In this dimension, history would have continued as it did.
Far fetched, yes, but it is really the only way you can make it
work... if you want it to work.
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War
sealed the "walls" of this dimension making travel into another one
very difficult.
On 26/11/2025 10:31, Dumas Walker wrote:
Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a
giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and
then the moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had
before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also
claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happened
in this dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in
one where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and the
SJAs that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was
stationed on a UNIT base on the moon.
The end result being that the mirrors,
golf balls,
Liz Shaw,
etc., would still be on the Moon in our dimension (because it isn't
an egg in this one), while in the "Egg dimension" Liz may never
have been on the Moon and those other objects might/might not have
ever been.
That would contradict everything we know from Matt Smith.
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
--In this dimension, history would have continued as it did.
Far fetched, yes, but it is really the only way you can make it
work... if you want it to work.
Nonsense. All the rock formations, craters, seas, and markings on the
moon are exactly the same before the moon hatches into a giant space
dragon which flies away with 90% of the moon's mass and after the
moon reforms looking exactly the same as it did before and with all
of the missing mass coming back out of nowhere. On top of that
everyone on the space shuttle is slammed to the ground during free
fall as if their weight had massively increased instead of being
completely weightless. This entire story defies all belief and
therefore nothing from that point onwards can be considered to be
canon.
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War
sealed the "walls" of this dimension making travel into another one
very difficult.
On 26/11/2025 09:23, solar penguin wrote:
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were
still in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that
in the episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
Wrong. You demonstrate that you have no understanding of Chaos Theory.
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
He said she was based on the Moon during the Sarah Jane Adventures.
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
It's mentioned at the end of the SJA episode he wrote featuring Matt Smith.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
It's still a problem with the episode
which means that nothing from that
episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.
There is no possible way to suspend disbelief.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
The reason why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside has been explained multiple times including at the start of The Robots of Death, therefore there is suspension of disbelief. It also does not affect anything on
Earth.
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes
and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew away?
On 27/11/2025 10:57, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/11/2025 4:04 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we
have never seen that ever occur. He has the ability to
disguise his appearance or to take over other people's
bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even
canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The
Conservation of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
IN ALL UNIVERSES OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T EXIST AND WE COULDN'T EXIST IN
THEM!
that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions' (i.e. parallel universes)
all comply with the laws of conservation of energy.
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
IN ALL UNIVERSES OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T EXIST AND WE COULDN'T EXIST IN
THEM!
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into
a giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's
mass and then the moon somehow reformed into the exact
shape it had before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened,
right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they
landed on the moon and stood on it.
So it DID happen. Glad to know!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags,
golf balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the
same positions they were before, and with exactly the
same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would
be unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags,
Sorry! Which 'American' flag?? Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? ....
The stars and stripes.
laser reflectors, rocket stages, and other stuff started being
put on the moon. If you claim that they weren't then all of
history after 1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based
on the moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was
stations on the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
O.K., which 'Universe' was that then, Aggy??
I already said that in the sentence 4 lines above.
Do they teach people to read in Australia?
When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions??Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw,
his former companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
Does he have the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his
Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
Oh!! Yes, Aggy. Have YOU??
Unlike you I have watched hundreds.
Conservation of energy/mass must always be valid. Newton's first law
must also be always valid. Kill the Moon violates both and no
explanation whatsoever for that is given.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 09:23, solar imbecile wrote:
You forgot to change it to ‘solar imbecile’! Please try harder!
The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were
still in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that
in the episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode. The craters aren’t
a natural part of the moon, but the result of meteors hitting it.
You should’ve gone with that instead of nonsense about NASA’s
lunar junk.
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
Wrong. You demonstrate that you have no understanding of Chaos Theory.
You demonstrate that you have no understanding of your own
posts. Further down you ask: “Why wasn't the Earth thrown out
of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes and huge tidal waves
and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew away?”
That would have a _much_ bigger effect than NASA no longer
knowing where its moon junk is!
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
He said she was based on the Moon during the Sarah Jane Adventures.
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
It's mentioned at the end of the SJA episode he wrote featuring Matt Smith. >>
That was around 2010. ‘Kill the Moon’ is set in 2049. This gives
Liz nearly 40 years to return from the moon and die of old age
or whatever.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
It's still a problem with the episode
And you should’ve gone with that instead of your made-up
fake problems.
which means that nothing from that
episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.
No, it means that this was a disappointing episode. In a show
that’s lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always bound to
be some disappointing episodes, just by the law of averages.
There is no possible way to suspend disbelief.
Your imagination is too small. I can think of at least two ways
to do it.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
The reason why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside has been explained
multiple times including at the start of The Robots of Death, therefore
there is suspension of disbelief. It also does not affect anything on
Earth.
So a bit of handwaving technobabble years after the problem is
enough to solve it.
If a future episode has a line saying that space dragons’ ovaries
extend into a parallel dimension, would that be enough to bring
‘Kill the Moon’ and everything that follows back into canon?
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes
and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew
away?
Yes, that’s a real problem. You should’ve gone with that instead
of Liz Shaw and NASA’s junk.
On 27/11/2025 13:16, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
There's no such thing.
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
That's because such a claim is inherently unprovable.
If there are parallel universes that humans can travel to and exist in
then the laws of physics have to be common to all of them. If we can't
exist in them then they might as well not exist. If we can communicate
with them then they must obey common laws of physics.
Conservation of energy/mass must always be valid. Newton's first law
must also be always valid. Kill the Moon violates both and no
explanation whatsoever for that is given.
Melissa
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True loon’s lack of logic loomed larger:
On 26/11/2025 09:23, solar penguin wrote:
You forgot to change it to ‘solar imbecile’! Please try harder!
The True loon twisted himself into loops:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were
still in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that
in the episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode. The craters aren’t
a natural part of the moon, but the result of meteors hitting it.
You should’ve gone with that instead of nonsense about NASA’s
lunar junk.
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
Wrong. You demonstrate that you have no understanding of Chaos Theory.
You demonstrate that you have no understanding of your own
posts. Further down you ask: “Why wasn't the Earth thrown out
of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes and huge tidal waves
and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew away?”
That would have a _much_ bigger effect than NASA no longer
knowing where its moon junk is!
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
He said she was based on the Moon during the Sarah Jane Adventures.
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
It's mentioned at the end of the SJA episode he wrote featuring Matt Smith. >>
That was around 2010. ‘Kill the Moon’ is set in 2049. This gives
Liz nearly 40 years to return from the moon and die of old age
or whatever.
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
It's still a problem with the episode
And you should’ve gone with that instead of your made-up
fake problems.
which means that nothing from that
episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.
No, it means that this was a disappointing episode. In a show
that’s lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always bound to
be some disappointing episodes, just by the law of averages.
There is no possible way to suspend disbelief.
Your imagination is too small. I can think of at least two ways
to do it.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
The reason why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside has been explained
multiple times including at the start of The Robots of Death, therefore
there is suspension of disbelief. It also does not affect anything on
Earth.
So a bit of handwaving technobabble years after the problem is
enough to solve it.
If a future episode has a line saying that space dragons’ ovaries
extend into a parallel dimension, would that be enough to bring
‘Kill the Moon’ and everything that follows back into canon?
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes
and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew
away?
Yes, that’s a real problem. You should’ve gone with that instead
of Liz Shaw and NASA’s junk.
----
solar penguin
On 28/11/2025 1:30 am, The True Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
On 27/11/2025 10:57, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/11/2025 4:04 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 10:50, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 11:41, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/11/2025 3:42 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
The Master has never regenerated into a woman and we
have never seen that ever occur. He has the ability to
disguise his appearance or to take over other people's
bodies.
So says Aggy and Binky!!
Besides which nothing from Kill the Moon onwards is even
canon.
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The
Conservation of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
Because the only valid theories
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
IN ALL UNIVERSES OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T EXIST AND WE COULDN'T EXIST IN
THEM!
that 'predict' multiple 'dimensions' (i.e. parallel universes)
all comply with the laws of conservation of energy.
... IN THIS UNIVERSE ...
IN ALL UNIVERSES OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T EXIST AND WE COULDN'T EXIST IN
THEM!
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from?Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into
a giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's
mass and then the moon somehow reformed into the exact
shape it had before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
From the Asteroid Belt of course!!
Are you also claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
No!! I saw them .... on T.V., so it MUST have happened,
right!!
NASA sent people there and they all came back and confirmed they
landed on the moon and stood on it.
So it DID happen. Glad to know!!
and with laser reflectors, moon buggies, American flags,
golf balls, golf clubs, and rocket stages in exactly the
same positions they were before, and with exactly the
same features?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would
be unrecognisable after 1969.
Why the '1969' limitation, Aggy??
Because that's when the American flags,
Sorry! Which 'American' flag?? Argentina?? Brazil?? Canada?? ....
The stars and stripes.
Oh!! Sorry, I didn't realise that there even was such a place as
"America" ... let alone that it's flag was known as 'The Stars and
Stripes' .... just like the flag of The United States of America!
Maybe, in your different Universe, there is a country called 'America'
and it could have a flag known as 'The Stars and Stripes'!!
laser reflectors, rocket stages, and other stuff started being
put on the moon. If you claim that they weren't then all of
history after 1969 would be completely unrecognisable.
DON'T BE A FOOL! What happened to Liz Shaw who was based
on the moon during this time?
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! In the universe Doctor Who is set in Liz Show was
stations on the UNIT base on the moon.
Really??
Yes.
O.K., which 'Universe' was that then, Aggy??
I already said that in the sentence 4 lines above.
Ah!! So you agree it was "In another Dimension .... YES."!! Finally, we >agree.
Do they teach people to read in Australia?
Yes, Aggy, they do teach people all sorts of stuff .... like what is
REAL and what is made-up.
When did The Doctor ever care about his former companions??Why didn't the Doctor give a stuff about her?In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! If the Doctor doesn't give a stuff about Liz Shaw,
his former companion, then this show is NOT Doctor Who.
Does he have the Dates they left marked on some Calender in his
Bedroom??
Have you ever watched a single episode of Doctor Who, ever?
Failure to answer Questions asked ..... Noted!!
Oh! No, Aggy, my count of episodes of 'Doctor Who' watched would alsoOh!! Yes, Aggy. Have YOU??
Unlike you I have watched hundreds.
reach into the hundreds!!
----
Daniel70
On 28/11/2025 3:56 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Conservation of energy/mass must always be valid. Newton's first law
must also be always valid. Kill the Moon violates both and no
explanation whatsoever for that is given.
But, hang on, Aggy, in some of those other Universe's, Newton might have >been of Indian heritage!! ;-P
----
Daniel70
On 28/11/2025 09:59, solar imbecile wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 09:23, solar imbecile wrote:
You forgot to change it to ‘solar imbecile’! Please try harder!
The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:
Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were
still in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that
in the episode.
Because that's where they are now
But will they continue to be there after 2049?
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode. The craters aren’t
a natural part of the moon, but the result of meteors hitting it.
You should’ve gone with that instead of nonsense about NASA’s
lunar junk.
I already said that when I stated that the moon looked exactly the same
as it did before. Learn to read you infant. Meteor craters are not
something man made. Laser reflectors, rocket stages, and moon buggies
are, and therefore impossible to reproduce without human intervention.
If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole
world would have been completely unrecognisable.
I think the other events of the episode would change the world
far more than the position of some lunar junk.
Wrong. You demonstrate that you have no understanding of Chaos Theory.
You demonstrate that you have no understanding of your own
posts. Further down you ask: “Why wasn't the Earth thrown out
of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes and huge tidal waves
and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew away?”
That would have a _much_ bigger effect than NASA no longer
knowing where its moon junk is!
You demonstrate that you have no understanding of anything you stupid
infant and have no idea of how to reason. I listed all the reasons why
the story was totally undeliverable. I didn't write them down for you to >divert people's attention form the subject by turning it into a
competition to decide which was the best you degenerate. Address the >question moron. Any of those reasons is enough to totally invalidate the >imbecilic story which provides no explanation for any of them.
Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during
the specific events of this specific episode?
He said she was based on the Moon during the Sarah Jane Adventures.
And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the
show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.
It's mentioned at the end of the SJA episode he wrote featuring Matt Smith. >>>
That was around 2010. ‘Kill the Moon’ is set in 2049. This gives
Liz nearly 40 years to return from the moon and die of old age
or whatever.
There's still a moon base there. What happened to it?
With all the real problems in that episode, why make up
fake ones?
It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall
instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and
therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.
That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk
or Liz Shaw.
It's still a problem with the episode
And you should’ve gone with that instead of your made-up
fake problems.
I went with all of them you imbecilic, stupid, degenerate moron, since
all are equally valid failings.
which means that nothing from that
episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.
No, it means that this was a disappointing episode. In a show
that’s lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always bound to
be some disappointing episodes, just by the law of averages.
This episode was totally inexcusable.
There is no possible way to suspend disbelief.
Your imagination is too small. I can think of at least two ways
to do it.
Only if you're an imbecile could you possibly suspend disbelief at that >episode.
(It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating
physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on
the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)
The reason why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside has been explained
multiple times including at the start of The Robots of Death, therefore
there is suspension of disbelief. It also does not affect anything on
Earth.
So a bit of handwaving technobabble years after the problem is
enough to solve it.
It was already commented on from the very first episode and thus >acknowledged as a technological problem. None of the violation of basic >physics in Kill the Moon were ever commented on. Learn you to write
science fiction you moron.
If a future episode has a line saying that space dragons’ ovaries
extend into a parallel dimension, would that be enough to bring
‘Kill the Moon’ and everything that follows back into canon?
No. That does not fix the violation of Newton's first law which was made >into a stupid infantile plot element or the return of the laser
reflectors, moon buggies, rocket stages, and craters to the places and >shapes and places they were before the moon cracked open or the fact
that the Earth was not thrown out of its orbit and completely devastated,
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes >>> and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew
away?
Yes, that’s a real problem. You should’ve gone with that instead
of Liz Shaw and NASA’s junk.
I went with all of them you stupid, infantile, degenerate, moronic, >imbecile. You ain't fooling anyone who has intelligence trying to worm
your way out.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 26/11/2025 10:31 am, Dumas Walker wrote:
Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a giant
space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and then the
moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had before with
exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also claiming
that the moon landings were all faked?
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happened in
this dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one
where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
The end result being that the mirrors, golf balls, Liz Shaw, etc.,
would still be on the Moon in our dimension (because it isn't an egg
in this one), while in the "Egg dimension" Liz may never have been
on the Moon and those other objects might/might not have ever been.
See, Aggy, Dumas can understand where I'm coming from, so why can't you >understand, too??
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
In this dimension, history would have continued as it did.
Far fetched, yes, but it is really the only way you can make it
work... if you want it to work.
Hey, I know my memory MIGHT be failing, but I cannot recall any mention
in any NEWS Service of some guy that gets around the place IN A POLICE
BOX ... or of Earth being invaded by several different 'Space' races
over time .... or by a Race of beings from under the Ocean trying to
take over the Earth's surface .... or of a bloody big Eel-type thing in
the Thames River a couple of hundred years ago .... or a Flying
Saucer-type thing crashing into 'Big Ben' .... or ..... or ...... or.
But some people live in a World where what they see on T.V. MUST HAVE >HAPPENED because they've seen it!!
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War
sealed the "walls" of this dimension making travel into another one
very difficult.
Ah!! But here in THIS dimension, we can still receive signals from those >'sealed off' dimensions .... so we still know what's going on!! ;-P
----
Daniel70
On 28/11/2025 1:26 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/11/2025 10:31, Dumas Walker wrote:
Or do you seriously think the Earth's moon hatched into a
giant space dragon which flew away with 90% of it's mass and
then the moon somehow reformed into the exact shape it had
before with exactly the same mass,
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! Where did the missing mass come from? Are you also
claiming that the moon landings were all faked?
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happened
in this dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in
one where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and the
SJAs that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was
stationed on a UNIT base on the moon.
I'll tell you what, Aggy, here in MY Universe the moon landings DID
happen .... so that's got part of your DREAMS fixed!!
The end result being that the mirrors,
Yes!!
golf balls,
Yes!!
Liz Shaw,
NO!! Not in my Universe, anyway!!
etc., would still be on the Moon in our dimension (because it isn't
an egg in this one), while in the "Egg dimension" Liz may never
have been on the Moon and those other objects might/might not have
ever been.
That would contradict everything we know from Matt Smith.
Wacko!!
In another Dimension .... YES.
Wrong! No such dimension exists otherwise all history would be
unrecognisable after 1969.
Bull!
----In this dimension, history would have continued as it did.
Far fetched, yes, but it is really the only way you can make it
work... if you want it to work.
Nonsense. All the rock formations, craters, seas, and markings on the
moon are exactly the same before the moon hatches into a giant space
dragon which flies away with 90% of the moon's mass and after the
moon reforms looking exactly the same as it did before and with all
of the missing mass coming back out of nowhere. On top of that
everyone on the space shuttle is slammed to the ground during free
fall as if their weight had massively increased instead of being
completely weightless. This entire story defies all belief and
therefore nothing from that point onwards can be considered to be
canon.
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War
sealed the "walls" of this dimension making travel into another one
very difficult.
Daniel70
On 28/11/2025 3:56 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Conservation of energy/mass must always be valid. Newton's first law
must also be always valid. Kill the Moon violates both and no
explanation whatsoever for that is given.
But, hang on, Aggy, in some of those other Universe's, Newton might have been of Indian heritage!! ;-P
On 28/11/2025 10:08, Daniel70 wrote:
On 28/11/2025 3:56 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Conservation of energy/mass must always be valid. Newton's first law
must also be always valid. Kill the Moon violates both and no
explanation whatsoever for that is given.
But, hang on, Aggy, in some of those other Universe's, Newton might have
been of Indian heritage!! ;-P
No he couldn't. In ALL universes Newton is of Anglo-Saxon heritage
otherwise he doesn't exist. Learn the basics of Chaos Theory.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <MPG.43921921bf2f3bb5989755@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
Do laws vary?
In article <10gb996$176g$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
In article <MPG.43921921bf2f3bb5989755@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
Do laws vary?
They vary by jurisdiction. Perhaps physical laws have
different jurisdictions. :D
Melissa
In article <MPG.43921921bf2f3bb5989755@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation
of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
In article <10gb996$176g$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,^^^^^<-Paedophile talkers noted
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
In article <MPG.43921921bf2f3bb5989755@news.eternal-september.org>,Do laws vary?
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <10g6m2h$adpr$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/11/2025 5:15 am, The True Doctor wrote:
[quoted text muted]
In this Dimension .... YES.
The laws of Physics are the same in all dimensions. The Conservation >>>>> of Energy must always be valid.
How do you know, Aggy??
That's a good point. There's a branch of physics which
says that the laws of physics *must* be different in each
different dimension. I can't explain the science of why,
though.
Yes, Binky, even here in THIS Dimension, laws vary!
I mean different speed limits in different countries for starters.--
--
Daniel70
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happenedin
thisMoon
dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one where
landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and the
SJAs
that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was stationed on
a
UNIT base on the moon.
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time Warsealed
the
"walls" of this dimension making travel into another one very
difficult.
From: thetruemelissa@gmail.com
In article <764091480@darkrealms.ca>,
NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca says...
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, thatbelieves
thatMaster's,
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
That would be a lot better.
It's a bad sign for a show when the fan theories are
preferable to what they actually give us.
From: solar.penguin@gmail.com
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with theexact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode. The craters aren't
a natural part of the moon, but the result of meteors hitting it.
That was around 2010. `Kill the Moon' is set in 2049. This gives
Liz nearly 40 years to return from the moon and die of old age
or whatever.
which means that nothing from that
episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.
No, it means that this was a disappointing episode. In a show
that's lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always bound to
be some disappointing episodes, just by the law of averages.
On 28/11/2025 09:59, solar imbecile wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode.
You should’ve gone with that instead of nonsense about NASA’s
lunar junk.
I already said that when I stated that the moon looked exactly the same
as it did before. Learn to read you infant.
Meteor craters are not
something man made. Laser reflectors, rocket stages, and moon buggies
are, and therefore impossible to reproduce without human intervention.
You demonstrate that you have no understanding of anything you stupid
infant and have no idea of how to reason. I listed all the reasons why
the story was totally undeliverable.
And you should’ve gone with that instead of your made-up
fake problems.
I went with all of them you imbecilic, stupid, degenerate moron,
since all are equally valid failings.
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes >>> and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew
away?
Yes, that’s a real problem. You should’ve gone with that instead
of Liz Shaw and NASA’s junk.
I went with all of them you stupid, infantile, degenerate, moronic, imbecile. You ain't fooling anyone who has intelligence trying to worm
your way out.
The True loon lost what little logic he once laid claim to:
On 28/11/2025 09:59, solar imbecile wrote:
That’s better. Can’t beat a bit of light-hearted banter to stop
things getting too serious.
The True Doctor wrote:
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode.
You should’ve gone with that instead of nonsense about NASA’s
lunar junk.
I already said that when I stated that the moon looked exactly the same
as it did before. Learn to read you infant.
Says the man who clearly couldn’t read what he was replying to.
I said you should’ve gone with the craters ‘instead of’ NASA’s junk >not ‘as well as’.
There’s a difference.
Meteor craters are not
something man made. Laser reflectors, rocket stages, and moon buggies
are, and therefore impossible to reproduce without human intervention.
So the obvious conclusion that they weren’t replaced, and the
new post-2049 moon doesn’t have them any more.
That’s why this isn’t a real problem outside your own imagination.
You demonstrate that you have no understanding of anything you stupid
infant and have no idea of how to reason. I listed all the reasons why
the story was totally undeliverable.
By ‘all’ you mean the real reasons and your fake, made-up ones.
Maybe just stick with the real reasons in future.
BTW it wasn’t all. You missed out the biggest problem with
the story.
And you should’ve gone with that instead of your made-up
fake problems.
I went with all of them you imbecilic, stupid, degenerate moron,
You really don’t understand the difference between ‘instead of’
and ‘as well as’, do you?
since all are equally valid failings.
The real reasons are valid. Your fake, made-up ones aren’t.
Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes >>>> and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew >>>> away?
Yes, that’s a real problem. You should’ve gone with that instead
of Liz Shaw and NASA’s junk.
I went with all of them you stupid, infantile, degenerate, moronic,
imbecile. You ain't fooling anyone who has intelligence trying to worm
your way out.
That’s the third time in a row you’ve failed to understand ‘instead >of’. Making a habit of that, aren’t you..?
----
solar penguin
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happenedin
thisMoon
dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one where
landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and the
SJAs
that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was stationed on
a
UNIT base on the moon.
Correct, but was it established anywhere that the *episode in question*
100%
happened in the same dimension as the moon landings, Liz Shaw being
stationed on the Moon, etc.?
As I said before, it is....
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time Warsealed
the
"walls" of this dimension making travel into another one very
difficult.
So I do not believe it is likely that the events of Kill the Moon
happened in
a different dimension, universe, or timeline but it is the only way to
explain
the events of that episode without dismissing it as non-canonical --
the
latter which I am inclined to do.
* SLMR 2.1a * I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.--
From: thetruemelissa@gmail.com
In article <764091480@darkrealms.ca>,
NOSPAM.Dumas.Walker@darkrealms.ca says...
There is a fan theory, that you are likely familar with, thatbelieves
thatMaster's,
the past the Master was showing the Doctor was actually the
i.e.
the Master is the Timeless Child and "mass murdering genocidal
monster,"
and not the Doctor.
That would be a lot better.
It's a bad sign for a show when the fan theories are
preferable to what they actually give us.
Indeed, on both counts. ;)
* SLMR 2.1a * "I'm sick! I ought to be home in bed with a nurse."--
From: solar.penguin@gmail.com
We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with theexact
same craters in the exact same places they are now.
And that is a real problem with the episode. The craters aren't
a natural part of the moon, but the result of meteors hitting it.
Yes!!!!
That was around 2010. `Kill the Moon' is set in 2049. This gives
Liz nearly 40 years to return from the moon and die of old age
or whatever.
Considering that there apparently were people like Liz stationed on the
Moon in the DW universe, it is quite possible that all the old NASA
"junk"
would have also be resituated/removed by 2049 -- possibly as part of
some
anti-litter campaign.
which means that nothing from that
episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.
No, it means that this was a disappointing episode. In a show
that's lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always bound to
be some disappointing episodes, just by the law of averages.
It was indeed disappointing to the point that it cannot ever be
overstated.
* SLMR 2.1a * Yes, you're right. Unfortunately, I don't really care.--
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all happenedin
thisMoon
dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon happened in one where
landings, etc., may or may not have happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and the
SJAs
that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was stationed on
a
UNIT base on the moon.
Correct, but was it established anywhere that the *episode in question*
100%
happened in the same dimension as the moon landings, Liz Shaw being
stationed on the Moon, etc.?
As I said before, it is....
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time Warsealed
the
"walls" of this dimension making travel into another one very
difficult.
So I do not believe it is likely that the events of Kill the Moon
happened in
a different dimension, universe, or timeline but it is the only way to
explain
the events of that episode without dismissing it as non-canonical --
the
latter which I am inclined to do.
On 29/11/2025 17:47, Dumas Walker wrote:
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all
happened in this dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon
happened in one where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have
happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and
the SJAs that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was
stationed on a UNIT base on the moon.
Correct, but was it established anywhere that the *episode in
question* 100% happened in the same dimension as the moon
landings, Liz Shaw being stationed on the Moon, etc.?
Unless it was said otherwise then it occurs in the same dimension as
The Impossible Astronaut and the SJAs which follow it.
As I said before, it is....
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War
sealed the "walls" of this dimension making travel into another
one very difficult.
So I do not believe it is likely that the events of Kill the Moon
happened in a different dimension, universe, or timeline but it is
the only way to explain the events of that episode without
dismissing it as non-canonical -- the latter which I am inclined
to do.
There is no way to explain the total and absolute bullshit that
happened in Kill the Moon because it defies all the most basic and fundamental laws of physics. Therefore it cannot be canon, nor
anything that comes after it.
On 2/12/2025 3:34 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 29/11/2025 17:47, Dumas Walker wrote:Yet a 'guy' that flys around to different Times and Places in a Police
I think he is claiming that the Moon landings, etc., all
happened in this dimension, while the events of Kill the Moon
happened in one where Moon landings, etc., may or may not have
happened.
It's already been established in Matt Smith's second season and
the SJAs that the moon landings did happen and that Liz Shaw was
stationed on a UNIT base on the moon.
Correct, but was it established anywhere that the *episode in
question* 100% happened in the same dimension as the moon
landings, Liz Shaw being stationed on the Moon, etc.?
Unless it was said otherwise then it occurs in the same dimension as
The Impossible Astronaut and the SJAs which follow it.
As I said before, it is....
Even more far fetched when you consider that the Great Time War
sealed the "walls" of this dimension making travel into another
one very difficult.
So I do not believe it is likely that the events of Kill the Moon
happened in a different dimension, universe, or timeline but it is
the only way to explain the events of that episode without
dismissing it as non-canonical -- the latter which I am inclined
to do.
There is no way to explain the total and absolute bullshit that
happened in Kill the Moon because it defies all the most basic and
fundamental laws of physics. Therefore it cannot be canon, nor
anything that comes after it.
Box CAN be Canon even though it "defies all the most basic and
fundamental laws of physics"!! Really??
You tend to 'pick and choose' what YOU (and the fundamental laws of
physics) will allow, don't you, Aggy??
----
Daniel70
There is no way to explain the total and absolute bullshit that
happened
in Kill the Moon because it defies all the most basic and fundamental
laws of physics. Therefore it cannot be canon, nor anything that
comes
after it.
There is no way to explain the total and absolute bull that
happened
in Kill the Moon because it defies all the most basic and fundamental
laws of physics. Therefore it cannot be canon, nor anything that
comes
after it.
I disagree here. As long as an episode doesn't make reference to the
Moon
being an egg, or somehow violate the same laws of physics, I don't
agree
that the episodes that came after were not canon.
If they do reference the Moon egg, then maybe so.
* SLMR 2.1a * . Look in the mirror, my friend.... .--
There is no way to explain the total and absolute bullshit that
happened
in Kill the Moon because it defies all the most basic and fundamental
laws of physics. Therefore it cannot be canon, nor anything that
comes
after it.
I disagree here. As long as an episode doesn't make reference to the
Moon
being an egg, or somehow violate the same laws of physics, I don't
agree
that the episodes that came after were not canon.
If they do reference the Moon egg, then maybe so.
* SLMR 2.1a * . Look in the mirror, my friend.... .
On 3/12/2025 11:21 am, Dumas Walker wrote:
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around the Universe in aThere is no way to explain the total and absolute bullshit that
happened
in Kill the Moon because it defies all the most basic and fundamental
laws of physics. Therefore it cannot be canon, nor anything that
comes
after it.
I disagree here. As long as an episode doesn't make reference to the
Moon
being an egg, or somehow violate the same laws of physics, I don't
agree
that the episodes that came after were not canon.
If they do reference the Moon egg, then maybe so.
* SLMR 2.1a * . Look in the mirror, my friend.... .
space ship and goes anywhen in Time!! Like THAT really happens!!
----
Daniel70
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around the Universe in
a
space ship and goes anywhen in Time!! Like THAT really happens!!
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around
the Universe in a space ship and goes anywhen in Time!!
Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science*
fiction," there has to be at least some science involved.
If it completely ignores science, then it is just fiction.
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around the Universe in
a
space ship and goes anywhen in Time!! Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science* fiction,"
there
has to be at least some science involved. If it completely ignores
science, then it is just fiction.
Apparently, you are ok with it being just "fiction" and that is fine.
* SLMR 2.1a * Hmmm, fence must still be down over at the funny--
farm....
Dumas Walker wrote:
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around
the Universe in a space ship and goes anywhen in Time!!
Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science*
fiction," there has to be at least some science involved.
If it completely ignores science, then it is just fiction.
Nowadays, "Doctor Who" seems to be more of a fantasy show.
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around the Universe in
a space ship and goes anywhen in Time!! Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science* fiction,"
there has to be at least some science involved. If it completely
ignores science, then it is just fiction.
Apparently, you are ok with it being just "fiction" and that is fine.
On 2025-12-05 11:27:02 +0000, Dumas Walker said:
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around the Universe in
a space ship and goes anywhen in Time!! Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science* fiction,"
there has to be at least some science involved. If it completely
ignores science, then it is just fiction.
Apparently, you are ok with it being just "fiction" and that is fine.
The TARDIS is a time machine and the Doctor are most of his foes are
aliens, so that is fictional science ... hence "science fiction".
Sci-fi shows and movies don't need piles of pointless quasi-scientific >mumbo-jumbo geek-speak spouted to make the "science fiction".
From: blueshirt@indigo.news
Dumas Walker wrote:
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around
the Universe in a space ship and goes anywhen in Time!!
Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science*
fiction," there has to be at least some science involved.
If it completely ignores science, then it is just fiction.
Nowadays, "Doctor Who" seems to be more of a fantasy show.
From: blueshirt@indigo.news
Dumas Walker wrote:
From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org
The whole Series is about an entity that flys around
the Universe in a space ship and goes anywhen in Time!!
Like THAT really happens!!
Some of us believe that, in order for it to be "*science*
fiction," there has to be at least some science involved.
If it completely ignores science, then it is just fiction.
Nowadays, "Doctor Who" seems to be more of a fantasy show.
Good point!
* SLMR 2.1a * Isn't "shrimp on a Barbie" a little kinky?--
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