• Re: The Pernicious Influence of Racism in America

    From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 04:18:38 2026
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    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com >>>> deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people are the only >>>>> ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In particular, "My >>>> family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to have gone >>>> completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no longer get >>>> out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and 'whiteness' >>>>> in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened >>>> before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built
    something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally >>>> naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you
    identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience.

    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have gotten if >> you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can never
    be concretely quantified.


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 10:07:42 2026
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    On 2026-03-24 12:18 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people are the only
    ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In particular, "My >>>>> family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to have gone >>>>> completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no longer get
    out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and 'whiteness'
    in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened >>>>> before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built >>>>> something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally >>>>> naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you >>> identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience.

    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have gotten if
    you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can never be concretely quantified.


    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?
    --
    Rhino
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 10:48:08 2026
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    Verily, in article <10pu5re$137kb$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?


    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is
    exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is
    his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    I hear the UK approaches this more sensibly. You're white if you look
    white and black if you look black. The main effect is supposed to be how
    other people treat us, so it makes sense to use perception as the
    defining factor.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 10:58:07 2026
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    On 3/24/2026 12:18 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people are the only
    ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In particular, "My >>>>> family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to have gone >>>>> completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no longer get
    out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and 'whiteness'
    in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened >>>>> before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built >>>>> something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally >>>>> naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you >>> identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience.

    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have gotten if
    you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can never be concretely quantified.

    Yes, "white privilege" is an ongoing dispute we have ...in which I
    maintain that blacks still get the shorter end of the stick today. I
    don't know that there's an official metric (that you'd accept), but
    here's Google:

    "Data indicates that Black Americans face systemic disadvantages, resulting in significant disparities compared to white Americans in
    wealth, health, education, and criminal justice. Black families hold
    roughly one-tenth the median net worth of white families, are 2.5 times
    more likely to live in poverty, and experience higher rates of health
    issues, lower life expectancy, and higher incarceration."
    -The Century Foundation (prog. think-tank rated factually 'High')


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 12:34:28 2026
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    On 2026-03-24 10:48 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10pu5re$137kb$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as
    caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?


    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is
    exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is
    his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    It seems to me that the "progressives" insist that one must be proud, especially of any non-white elements in one's heritage. There are
    serious victim points to be had for being able to claim that one has a non-white heritage, even in part. moviepig has made it abundantly clear
    that he is "progressive". It seems odd - and hypocritical - to me that
    he says he "identifies" as Caucasian on government forms when he says
    he's not. Not that hypocrisy is at all unusual on the Left....

    I truly don't care what his heritage is. I'm just remarking on the
    apparent hypocrisy.


    I hear the UK approaches this more sensibly. You're white if you look
    white and black if you look black. The main effect is supposed to be how other people treat us, so it makes sense to use perception as the
    defining factor.


    I'm still looking forward to the day when we all get past that and just
    regard one another as individuals who may or may not share the values of
    the people that look like them.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 17:24:07 2026
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    On Mar 24, 2026 at 9:34:28 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-03-24 10:48 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10pu5re$137kb$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as
    caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?


    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is
    exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is
    his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    It seems to me that the "progressives" insist that one must be proud, especially of any non-white elements in one's heritage. There are
    serious victim points to be had for being able to claim that one has a non-white heritage

    It's not just ephemeral 'points' that one can receive for identifying as a minority. As Princess Hiataxes proved, it can get you everything from scholarships to prestigious professorships at Harvard, to starring roles in Hollywood movies.

    even in part. moviepig has made it abundantly clear
    that he is "progressive". It seems odd - and hypocritical - to me that
    he says he "identifies" as Caucasian on government forms when he says
    he's not. Not that hypocrisy is at all unusual on the Left....

    I truly don't care what his heritage is. I'm just remarking on the
    apparent hypocrisy.

    I hear the UK approaches this more sensibly. You're white if you look
    white and black if you look black. The main effect is supposed to be how
    other people treat us, so it makes sense to use perception as the
    defining factor.

    Except the challenge comes when the terms used aren't simple, like 'white' and 'black' but forced politically correct euphemisms like 'African-American'.

    I've told the story here on RAT before about a girl who went to college with me. She had dual American and South African citizenship. Literally an African-American, but she was as blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and white skinned
    as Charlize Theron. She applied for an education grant for African-American students at the university and received it because they never actually saw
    her, just her application. When she arrived to pick it up, they tried to deny it because she wasn't black. She eventually sued and the court ruled that if the university meant black it should have said black but as it stood, she qualified under the criteria presented and ordered them to give her the
    grant.

    Then there's Idris Elba who is constantly asked on red carpets and in interviews how he feels about being "the first African-American this or that". He amusingly replied to one of them that he's neither African nor American so he has no idea how that would feel.


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 13:28:24 2026
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    Verily, in article <10pueek$167f8$2@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 2026-03-24 10:48 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10pu5re$137kb$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as
    caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?


    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    It seems to me that the "progressives" insist that one must be proud, especially of any non-white elements in one's heritage. There are
    serious victim points to be had for being able to claim that one has a non-white heritage, even in part.

    It does depend on how big a part, though. Remember when DNA tests first
    became popular? Idiots were declared themselves black or mixed because
    they were 3% black or so, and real black people just rolled their eyes.
    A cred grab that's too obvious has the opposite effect.

    I'm still looking forward to the day when we all get past that andjust
    regard one another as individuals who may or may not share the values
    of the people that look like them.

    Amen.
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 17:35:11 2026
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    On Mar 24, 2026 at 7:58:07 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/24/2026 12:18 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people are the only
    ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be >>>>>>> proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In particular, "My
    family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to have gone
    completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no longer get
    out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and 'whiteness'
    in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened
    before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built >>>>>> something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally
    naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you >>>> identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience. >>>>
    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have
    gotten if
    you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can never
    be concretely quantified.

    Yes, "white privilege" is an ongoing dispute we have ...in which I
    maintain that blacks still get the shorter end of the stick today. I
    don't know that there's an official metric (that you'd accept), but
    here's Google:

    "Data indicates that Black Americans face systemic disadvantages, resulting in significant disparities compared to white Americans in
    wealth, health, education, and criminal justice. Black families hold
    roughly one-tenth the median net worth of white families, are 2.5 times
    more likely to live in poverty, and experience higher rates of health issues, lower life expectancy, and higher incarceration."
    -The Century Foundation (prog. think-tank rated factually 'High')

    And how much of that is due to their own behavior?

    Anecdotally, my girlfriend is one of the brown people you 'progressives' are constantly claiming are so disadvantaged and she maintains that being a minority (other than Asian-- weird how that one works, huh?) gives her far
    more advantages in this society than disadvantages.

    When we first started dating, I was at her parents' home having dinner with them one night and there was a news report on TV that was talking about 'white privilege' and her mother just shook her head and said, "Always with the white privilege. They never talk about the brown privilege.' My girlfriend asked her what that is and her mom said, "The ability to break the law and do whatever you want and still somehow remain the victim."


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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 10:46:35 2026
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    On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 22:33:24 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    White Supremacy Causes Black People to Commit Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

    When a black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled by >racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does not >require a white person to perpetuate it. White people are also to blame for >hispanic violence toward Asians.

    The article concludes with a plea for Asians who are staring down violence by >a non-white perpetrator to fear the pernicious ideology of white supremacy >more than their attacker. "It's not black people whom Asian-Americans need to >fear. It's white supremacy."

    Got that? So when some 240-lb hulking mass of diversity is charging you with a >raised machete, don't be afraid of him. Be afraid of white supremacy instead.


    Sounds like they're bent on outdoing the worst days of the Klan in the
    1880s when lynching was all too common.

    But then if you've got the right colored skin you can be as vile as
    you want and still be considered at least by some as laudible as St
    George of Fentanyl "proved". I'm expecting OJ Simpson to get sainthood
    soon - all he did was kill two people...

    And I strongly suspect that my life would be VERY different if I were
    30 years younger since despite my 99+% percentile GMAT I'd have
    trouble getting into business school and that's where I met my late
    wife which not surprisingly changed my life for the better.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 10:51:26 2026
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    On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 16:03:33 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In particular, "My
    family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to have gone >completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no longer get
    out much.

    But too many people have the twisted idea if you're not Irish AND
    Catholic you're not Irish.

    Whereas my mother's family has a name that it distinctively Irish and
    is about 70% Protestant 30% Catholic.

    And some would damn my forebears who were officers in the Royal Navy.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 14:02:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 3/24/2026 1:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 24, 2026 at 7:58:07 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/24/2026 12:18 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people are the only
    ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be >>>>>>>> proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In particular, "My
    family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to have gone
    completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no longer get
    out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and 'whiteness'
    in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened
    before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built >>>>>>> something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally
    naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you
    identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience. >>>>>
    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have >>>>> gotten if
    you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can never
    be concretely quantified.

    Yes, "white privilege" is an ongoing dispute we have ...in which I
    maintain that blacks still get the shorter end of the stick today. I
    don't know that there's an official metric (that you'd accept), but
    here's Google:

    "Data indicates that Black Americans face systemic disadvantages,
    resulting in significant disparities compared to white Americans in
    wealth, health, education, and criminal justice. Black families hold
    roughly one-tenth the median net worth of white families, are 2.5 times
    more likely to live in poverty, and experience higher rates of health
    issues, lower life expectancy, and higher incarceration."
    -The Century Foundation (prog. think-tank rated factually 'High')

    And how much of that is due to their own behavior?

    Anecdotally, my girlfriend is one of the brown people you 'progressives' are constantly claiming are so disadvantaged and she maintains that being a minority (other than Asian-- weird how that one works, huh?) gives her far more advantages in this society than disadvantages.

    When we first started dating, I was at her parents' home having dinner with them one night and there was a news report on TV that was talking about 'white
    privilege' and her mother just shook her head and said, "Always with the white
    privilege. They never talk about the brown privilege.' My girlfriend asked her
    what that is and her mom said, "The ability to break the law and do whatever you want and still somehow remain the victim."

    For the record, I think efforts to address "white privilege" are often
    naive or even sanctimonious, precisely for ignoring the aspect you call
    "their own behavior". But that aspect is perhaps less voluntary than it
    is an unfortunate example of being "to the manner born". I think
    there's a residue of the govt.-enforced black underclass of less than
    three generations ago, and little to do about it beyond simple erosion.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 18:40:19 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-03-24 10:48 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as >>>caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?

    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is >>exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is >>his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    It seems to me that the "progressives" insist that one must be proud, >especially of any non-white elements in one's heritage.

    Calling one's self "progressive" is merely an attempt to disguise the
    same self-serving attitudes everyone else has that one denies.

    After my state's primary, there was a "serious" discussion at a
    reporters' round table of some of the trash talking and questions asked
    during the race for Senate, in which two two black woman were running
    against a guy. One of the black women, a long-time member of Congress
    with a decent reputation who long ago got herself out from under Jesse Jackson's influenc, was asked if she were the spoiler candidate, and she
    said the question wouldn't have been asked if she were a black man.
    Press conferences aren't trials; the media is free to troll, to ask
    questions without a foundation of facts, and to ask leading questions.
    There's just no way to win by answering the question.

    The political nonentity woman, an obscure first-term state
    representative when she was Pritzker's candidate for Lt. Governor, won
    the nomination with Pritzker's money. The reporters were all impressed, Historic! She's only the (whatever the count) black woman to be elected
    to the Senate!

    Who was the dude? In the private sector, he was a well thought of,
    innovative and imaginative tech entrepreneur who got elected to Congress
    in a difficult race, and figured out coaltiion building in the House to
    get a bit of influence on some legislation.

    He's literally an immigrant... from India. If elected, he'd have been
    the very first.

    I have no idea when "progressive" stopped being applied to people who
    wanted and worked for progress and change truly beneficial to society.
    Today the label is used to cover one's own sins that one refuses to see
    for lack of introspection.

    There are
    serious victim points to be had for being able to claim that one has a >non-white heritage, even in part.

    I hope that's sarcasm. My ancestors were slaves unto Pharoah in Egypt,
    but since I was born into the freeest society the world ever saw, I
    should be laughed at if I were ever to do so. One doesn't inherit one's ancestors' victimhood.

    moviepig has made it abundantly clear
    that he is "progressive". It seems odd - and hypocritical - to me that
    he says he "identifies" as Caucasian on government forms when he says
    he's not. Not that hypocrisy is at all unusual on the Left....

    Why fall for it? moviePig has always lied, always misrepresented, always
    truly hidden what he believes. He's nothing more than a Usenet troll.

    I truly don't care what his heritage is. I'm just remarking on the
    apparent hypocrisy.

    Don't take anything he says seriously 'cuz he's just trying to push your buttons.

    . . .
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 18:44:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Mar 24, 2026 at 9:34:28 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >wrote:

    On 2026-03-24 10:48 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10pu5re$137kb$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as >>>> caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?


    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is
    exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is >>> his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    It seems to me that the "progressives" insist that one must be proud,
    especially of any non-white elements in one's heritage. There are
    serious victim points to be had for being able to claim that one has a
    non-white heritage

    It's not just ephemeral 'points' that one can receive for identifying as a >minority. As Princess Hiataxes proved, it can get you everything from >scholarships to prestigious professorships at Harvard, to starring roles in >Hollywood movies.

    even in part. moviepig has made it abundantly clear
    that he is "progressive". It seems odd - and hypocritical - to me that
    he says he "identifies" as Caucasian on government forms when he says
    he's not. Not that hypocrisy is at all unusual on the Left....

    I truly don't care what his heritage is. I'm just remarking on the
    apparent hypocrisy.

    I hear the UK approaches this more sensibly. You're white if you look
    white and black if you look black. The main effect is supposed to be how >>> other people treat us, so it makes sense to use perception as the
    defining factor.

    Except the challenge comes when the terms used aren't simple, like 'white' and >'black' but forced politically correct euphemisms like 'African-American'.

    I've told the story here on RAT before about a girl who went to college with >me. She had dual American and South African citizenship. Literally an >African-American, but she was as blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and white skinned >as Charlize Theron. She applied for an education grant for African-American >students at the university and received it because they never actually saw >her, just her application. When she arrived to pick it up, they tried to deny >it because she wasn't black. She eventually sued and the court ruled that if >the university meant black it should have said black but as it stood, she >qualified under the criteria presented and ordered them to give her the >grant.

    Then there's Idris Elba who is constantly asked on red carpets and in >interviews how he feels about being "the first African-American this or that". >He amusingly replied to one of them that he's neither African nor American so >he has no idea how that would feel.

    And Graham Greene, after becoming famous for Dances With Wolves,
    repeatedly explaining that he wasn't a Native American but an Indian
    from Canada.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 18:49:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Mar 24, 2026 at 7:58:07 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/24/2026 12:18 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did >atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people
    are the only
    ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be >>>>>>>> proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In
    particular, "My
    family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to
    have gone
    completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no >longer get
    out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and >'whiteness'
    in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then
    imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened
    before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built >>>>>>> something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally
    naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you >>>>> identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience. >>>>>
    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have >>>>> gotten if
    you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can never
    be concretely quantified.

    Yes, "white privilege" is an ongoing dispute we have ...in which I
    maintain that blacks still get the shorter end of the stick today. I
    don't know that there's an official metric (that you'd accept), but
    here's Google:

    "Data indicates that Black Americans face systemic disadvantages,
    resulting in significant disparities compared to white Americans in
    wealth, health, education, and criminal justice. Black families hold
    roughly one-tenth the median net worth of white families, are 2.5 times
    more likely to live in poverty, and experience higher rates of health
    issues, lower life expectancy, and higher incarceration."
    -The Century Foundation (prog. think-tank rated factually 'High')

    And how much of that is due to their own behavior?

    Anecdotally, my girlfriend is one of the brown people you 'progressives' are >constantly claiming are so disadvantaged and she maintains that being a >minority (other than Asian-- weird how that one works, huh?) gives her far >more advantages in this society than disadvantages.

    When we first started dating, I was at her parents' home having dinner with >them one night and there was a news report on TV that was talking about 'white >privilege' and her mother just shook her head and said, "Always with the white >privilege. They never talk about the brown privilege.' My girlfriend asked her >what that is and her mom said, "The ability to break the law and do whatever >you want and still somehow remain the victim."

    How long did it take you to stop laughing and get up off the floor?
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 18:56:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Mar 24, 2026 at 11:49:20 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Mar 24, 2026 at 7:58:07 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/24/2026 12:18 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 23, 2026 at 1:43:13 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/23/2026 4:03 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10ps3l5$drfo$3@dont-email.me>, did
    atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Yes, because of all the people in the world, white people
    are the only
    ones
    who aren't allowed to have a history or culture, let alone be >>>>>>>>> proud of it.

    There used to be an exception for Celtic heritage. In
    particular, "My
    family is Irish" was often a point of pride. We now seem to
    have gone
    completely to cartoon leprechauns, although in fairness I no
    longer get
    out much.

    Imagine replacing 'black' or 'blackness' with 'white' and
    'whiteness'
    in any
    of those articles I cited in my original post and then
    imagine how many
    cities
    across the country would be on fire because of it.

    I've wondered before if this is some fatal flaw in us. It's happened
    before. This is not the first time a nation of white people built
    something, shared it, and lost it. Maybe we're just constitutionally
    naive.

    I don't identify as white.

    When you're required to do so-- i.e., on government forms-- how do you
    identify?

    Caucasian? Been so long I don't remember.


    But I do suppose that others so identify me
    ...and that their doing so has afforded me considerable convenience.

    What have you gotten by being called white that you wouldn't have >>>>>> gotten if
    you hadn't been?

    Regarded with less automatic enmity ...from which much flows.

    Another white 'progressive' fantasy. The mysterious 'enmity' which can >>>> never
    be concretely quantified.

    Yes, "white privilege" is an ongoing dispute we have ...in which I
    maintain that blacks still get the shorter end of the stick today. I
    don't know that there's an official metric (that you'd accept), but
    here's Google:

    "Data indicates that Black Americans face systemic disadvantages,
    resulting in significant disparities compared to white Americans in
    wealth, health, education, and criminal justice. Black families hold
    roughly one-tenth the median net worth of white families, are 2.5 times >>> more likely to live in poverty, and experience higher rates of health
    issues, lower life expectancy, and higher incarceration."
    -The Century Foundation (prog. think-tank rated factually 'High')

    And how much of that is due to their own behavior?

    Anecdotally, my girlfriend is one of the brown people you 'progressives' are >> constantly claiming are so disadvantaged and she maintains that being a
    minority (other than Asian-- weird how that one works, huh?) gives her far >> more advantages in this society than disadvantages.

    When we first started dating, I was at her parents' home having dinner with >> them one night and there was a news report on TV that was talking about
    'white
    privilege' and her mother just shook her head and said, "Always with the
    white
    privilege. They never talk about the brown privilege.' My girlfriend asked >> her
    what that is and her mom said, "The ability to break the law and do whatever >> you want and still somehow remain the victim."

    How long did it take you to stop laughing and get up off the floor?

    I decided then and there that this relationship was going places.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Mar 24 16:06:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 3/24/2026 2:40 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-03-24 10:48 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    It sounds like moviepig can "pass for white" and even "identifies" as
    caucasian when asked, rather than proudly saying what he really is.
    Isn't that false appropriation of white privilege?

    If he's mostly white, what would you expect him to say?

    Identifying as "anything but white, even if it's 1/64th Iroquois" is
    exactly the problem we were discussing, isn't it? MoviePig's heritage is >>> his own business, but if he's at least 50% white, then that seems like
    an okay label to me.

    It seems to me that the "progressives" insist that one must be proud,
    especially of any non-white elements in one's heritage.

    Calling one's self "progressive" is merely an attempt to disguise the
    same self-serving attitudes everyone else has that one denies.

    After my state's primary, there was a "serious" discussion at a
    reporters' round table of some of the trash talking and questions asked during the race for Senate, in which two two black woman were running
    against a guy. One of the black women, a long-time member of Congress
    with a decent reputation who long ago got herself out from under Jesse Jackson's influenc, was asked if she were the spoiler candidate, and she
    said the question wouldn't have been asked if she were a black man.
    Press conferences aren't trials; the media is free to troll, to ask
    questions without a foundation of facts, and to ask leading questions. There's just no way to win by answering the question.

    The political nonentity woman, an obscure first-term state
    representative when she was Pritzker's candidate for Lt. Governor, won
    the nomination with Pritzker's money. The reporters were all impressed, Historic! She's only the (whatever the count) black woman to be elected
    to the Senate!

    Who was the dude? In the private sector, he was a well thought of,
    innovative and imaginative tech entrepreneur who got elected to Congress
    in a difficult race, and figured out coaltiion building in the House to
    get a bit of influence on some legislation.

    He's literally an immigrant... from India. If elected, he'd have been
    the very first.

    I have no idea when "progressive" stopped being applied to people who
    wanted and worked for progress and change truly beneficial to society.
    Today the label is used to cover one's own sins that one refuses to see
    for lack of introspection.

    There are
    serious victim points to be had for being able to claim that one has a
    non-white heritage, even in part.

    I hope that's sarcasm. My ancestors were slaves unto Pharoah in Egypt,
    but since I was born into the freeest society the world ever saw, I
    should be laughed at if I were ever to do so. One doesn't inherit one's ancestors' victimhood.

    moviepig has made it abundantly clear
    that he is "progressive". It seems odd - and hypocritical - to me that
    he says he "identifies" as Caucasian on government forms when he says
    he's not. Not that hypocrisy is at all unusual on the Left....

    Why fall for it? moviePig has always lied, always misrepresented, always truly hidden what he believes. He's nothing more than a Usenet troll.

    I truly don't care what his heritage is. I'm just remarking on the
    apparent hypocrisy.

    Don't take anything he says seriously 'cuz he's just trying to push your buttons.

    Alas, Adam, it's even worse than you suspect. All of Usenet is a giant conspiracy to push *your* button...


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  • From max quad@ndot@home.org to rec.arts.tv on Wed Mar 25 13:20:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 wrote:

    Abolish the White Race

    The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that
    some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other >than from committed white supremacists.

    Make no mistake about it: we intend to keep bashing the dead white males
    (and the live ones), and the females, too, until the social construct
    known as "the white race" is destroyed-- not "deconstructed"-- but
    destroyed.

    --Harvard Magazine


    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/sites/default/files/pdf/2002/09-pdfs/0902- >30.pdf


    USC Professor Calls for Holocaust Against All White People

    Charles H.F. Davis, a self-described "black identity extremist" says >"whiteness must be-- by any and all means-- destroyed."

    https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/usc-professor-holocaust-white-people/


    Professor Behind White Genocide Tweet Claims He Has University Support


    https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/professor-behind-white-genocide-t >weet-says-he-has-university-support-idUSKBN14G1O9/


    Rutgers Lecturer Tweeted Positively About Shooting White People


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/17/politicizing >-beyonce-lecturer-tweeted-about-shooting-white-people-police-made-him-take >-a-psychological-exam/


    Rutgers Professor on White People: 'We Gotta Take These Motherfuckers
    Out'


    https://www.thecollegefix.com/rutgers-professor-on-white-people-we-gotta-t >ake-these-motherf-ers-out/


    Trinity College Professor: 'Whiteness is Terrorism'


    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/29/johnny-eric-williams-trin >ity-college-professor-whi/


    University Goal: Reduce the Number of White People on Campus

    Cal Poly San Luis Obispo released a 30-page report outlining plans to
    reduce the number of white people on campus. "In 2011, the campus was 63% >Caucasian; in 2017, it was 55%... but there is still much work to do."


    https://www.thecollegefix.com/california-university-combats-issue-of-too-m >any-white-people-on-campus/


    When Is It Okay to Kill Whites?

    Ask Tommy Curry, an associate professor of Philosophy at Texas A&M


    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/05/11/furor-over-texas-am-philoso >phers-comments-violence-against-white-people


    University of Georgia: Teaching Assistant Who Said 'White People Might
    Have to Die' Did Not Violate Code of Conduct


    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/10/university-of-georgia-ta-who-sai >d-white-people-might-have-to-die-did-not-violate-code-of-conduct/


    White Supremacy Causes Black People to Commit Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

    When a black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled by >racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does
    not require a white person to perpetuate it. White people are also to
    blame for hispanic violence toward Asians.

    The article concludes with a plea for Asians who are staring down
    violence by a non-white perpetrator to fear the pernicious ideology of
    white supremacy more than their attacker. "It's not black people whom >Asian-Americans need to fear. It's white supremacy."

    Got that? So when some 240-lb hulking mass of diversity is charging you
    with a raised machete, don't be afraid of him. Be afraid of white
    supremacy instead.




    Outrage.

    Whites are the real victims, especially Christians.


    And Trump stands by and does nothing.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Fri Mar 27 01:32:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 17:24:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    I've told the story here on RAT before about a girl who went to college with >me. She had dual American and South African citizenship. Literally an >African-American, but she was as blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and white skinned >as Charlize Theron. She applied for an education grant for African-American >students at the university and received it because they never actually saw >her, just her application. When she arrived to pick it up, they tried to deny >it because she wasn't black. She eventually sued and the court ruled that if >the university meant black it should have said black but as it stood, she >qualified under the criteria presented and ordered them to give her the >grant.

    I've heard the same story told about NBA star Steve Nash who routinely describes himself as "Afro-Canadian" since while he was born in
    Johannesberg his family relocated to Canada (mostly in Victoria, BC).
    The only time I ever saw him play live was in the championship game
    for high school basketball in BC and it was obvious he was going to be
    NBA drafted since while he's not big (6'3") he's very fast and a
    superb shooter. His pro career was roughly 1995-2015.

    His team mates were laughed their heads off whenever there was a new
    player in the dressing room since Nash was in the habit of saying
    "Actually I'm the only African in this dressing room" though he had
    lived in Canada long enough to have lost the South African accent. He
    was in the habit of pointing out team mates saying "he's from
    California, he's from Georgia etc - but >I'm< originally from
    Johannesburg!"

    Then there's Idris Elba who is constantly asked on red carpets and in >interviews how he feels about being "the first African-American this or that". >He amusingly replied to one of them that he's neither African nor American so >he has no idea how that would feel.

    I've heard that before - weren't both his parents from west African
    countries while he was born in London?
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Fri Mar 27 01:36:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 13:28:24 -0400, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    It does depend on how big a part, though. Remember when DNA tests first >became popular? Idiots were declared themselves black or mixed because
    they were 3% black or so, and real black people just rolled their eyes.
    A cred grab that's too obvious has the opposite effect.

    Heck my kids have DNA from 7 different countries (8 if you count
    western and eastern Germany which were separate when all 3 were born).
    However with the exception of Britain, they're all EU countries so
    while they're certainly genetically diverse (usually a good thing)
    they're definitely White. (And I capitalize that since if the usual
    suspects are going to insist on capitalizing Black then it's racist
    not to do likewise)

    And my one grandchild is 1/4 Vietnamese. Diverse enough for you?
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Fri Mar 27 01:38:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 14:02:12 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    For the record, I think efforts to address "white privilege" are often
    naive or even sanctimonious, precisely for ignoring the aspect you call >"their own behavior". But that aspect is perhaps less voluntary than it
    is an unfortunate example of being "to the manner born". I think
    there's a residue of the govt.-enforced black underclass of less than
    three generations ago, and little to do about it beyond simple erosion.

    That's a British term and it's "to the manor born" after a series of
    books more similar to "Upstairs, Downstairs" than anything else.
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Mar 27 10:48:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 3/27/2026 4:38 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 14:02:12 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    For the record, I think efforts to address "white privilege" are often
    naive or even sanctimonious, precisely for ignoring the aspect you call
    "their own behavior". But that aspect is perhaps less voluntary than it
    is an unfortunate example of being "to the manner born". I think
    there's a residue of the govt.-enforced black underclass of less than
    three generations ago, and little to do about it beyond simple erosion.

    That's a British term and it's "to the manor born" after a series of
    books more similar to "Upstairs, Downstairs" than anything else.

    Afaik, "manner" was the original, and "manor" a later pun.


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