• What Did You Watch? 2026-07-03 (Friday)

    From Ubiquitous@weberm@polaris.net to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 04:30:41 2026
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    On the day before the semiquincentennial, I watched:

    Avengers: Doomsday Full Plot Leak: It’s Bad! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x0ZgD3FTcQ

    Elliot Page’s Boxing Video and The Odyssey Trailer Get Brutally Memed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe2Y898uvlA

    George Takei And Wil Wheaton LOSE THEIR MINDS On Dwayne Johnson THE ROCK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt6393uUP8

    It's Time For Madonna To Stop Doing This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eebj4EZAhbA
    NB: Lots of scarey footage of old washed up singers.

    Sony to STOP Releasing Physical Video Games in 2028 - By Tanking the Worth of Physical Media!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsiNTvabN4

    Supergirl (Spoiler Review) - Floosie of Tomorrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQIx6Vj6yeQ

    The Bizarre, Unpredictable World of Hostess Comic Ads (1975-1982) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jegk08b_-SQ

    The Odyssey Trailer Has 233,000 Dislikes And Universal Is TERRIFIED Of What Comes Next!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WXEweXZFkI

    VENTURE on Atari 2600 Shows What Had to Be LEFT BEHIND https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeEq8iLGNNo

    What Michelle Obama's Dress REALLY Reveals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjb70J7xwI

    IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA:
    "The Gang Cracks the Liberty Bell". The telling of ye olde tale of how
    the gang's bar was instrumental in the cracking of the Liberty Bell.

    What did you watch?
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 06:46:44 2026
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    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    On the day before the semiquincentennial, I watched:



    George Takei And Wil Wheaton LOSE THEIR MINDS On Dwayne Johnson THE ROCK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt6393uUP8


    This assumes they weren’t already insane



    The Odyssey Trailer Has 233,000 Dislikes And Universal Is TERRIFIED Of What Comes Next!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WXEweXZFkI


    More so than Snow White? Wow


    What Michelle Obama's Dress REALLY Reveals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjb70J7xwI

    I thought the question was, what is it hiding?


    What did you watch?

    Hey, thanks for asking!

    MOTHER LODE a good old-fashioned adventure film with Charlton Heston and
    Kim Basinger.

    A DOCTOR WHO NIGHTMARE.
    I fell asleep to the lovely Freema and woke up to the hideous Donna in an episode guest starring Peter Crapaldi.
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  • From Ian J. Ball@ijball@mac.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 08:19:05 2026
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    On 7/4/26 6:46 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    What did you watch?

    Hey, thanks for asking!

    MOTHER LODE a good old-fashioned adventure film with Charlton Heston and
    Kim Basinger.

    A DOCTOR WHO NIGHTMARE.
    I fell asleep to the lovely Freema and woke up to the hideous Donna in an episode guest starring Peter Crapaldi.

    But the Donna ones are the best ones!! (LOL!) :p



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  • From Ian J. Ball@ijball@mac.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 09:23:02 2026
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    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps...
    Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also
    put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    World Cup soccer - The Argentina-Cape Verde game was insane - Argentina
    should have easily put Cape Verde away, but instead Cape Verde kept
    coming back and scoring equalizing goals. It nearly went to penalty
    kicks, but Argentina managed to score a go-ahead goal deep in extra
    time, and Cape Verde didn't answer (though they came close!).
    Today (Sat.) begins the Round of 16 games!

    soaps: GH - Well I didn't see that coming - both Cassius and Josslyn get
    shot (Cassius's shooting didn't look life-threatening but Joss's looked
    bad), and then Joss blows Cullum away!! - But before she does, Cullum
    reveals at what they've been hinting at: that Britt doesn't really have Huntington's, Cullum just made it seem like she did. Meanwhile, Sonny
    gets the upper hand on Jenz Sidwell, but stupid ADA Turner talks Sonny
    out of blowing Jenz away so Jenz is arrested instead. And Ethan Lovett
    passes out from blood loss, but the cops/ambulance show up in time and
    take him to the hospital.
    B&B - While dumb Hope stands her ground against the awful Brooke,
    she collapses after Brooke leaves - I suspect this will be how they give
    the Hope actress the maternity(?) leave it looks like she needs.

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one.
    This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name
    actress who is absent from the rest of the movie, and also adding some swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
    The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum it
    - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it stars
    an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!), along
    the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first season of
    the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but as was the unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s she was
    sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen left acting
    soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character equivalent!)
    and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
    Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be a "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models, Inc.", "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But compared
    even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values, mostly uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.
    The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ.
    (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A.
    colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
    It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
    At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.


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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@arthur@alum.calberkeley.org to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 10:14:38 2026
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    On 7/4/2026 9:23 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps... Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also
    put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    World Cup soccer - The Argentina-Cape Verde game was insane - Argentina should have easily put Cape Verde away, but instead Cape Verde kept
    coming back and scoring equalizing goals. It nearly went to penalty
    kicks, but Argentina managed to score a go-ahead goal deep in extra
    time, and Cape Verde didn't answer (though they came close!).
       Today (Sat.) begins the Round of 16 games!

    soaps: GH - Well I didn't see that coming - both Cassius and Josslyn get shot (Cassius's shooting didn't look life-threatening but Joss's looked bad), and then Joss blows Cullum away!! - But before she does, Cullum reveals at what they've been hinting at: that Britt doesn't really have Huntington's, Cullum just made it seem like she did. Meanwhile, Sonny
    gets the upper hand on Jenz Sidwell, but stupid ADA Turner talks Sonny
    out of blowing Jenz away so Jenz is arrested instead. And Ethan Lovett passes out from blood loss, but the cops/ambulance show up in time and
    take him to the hospital.
       B&B - While dumb Hope stands her ground against the awful Brooke,
    she collapses after Brooke leaves - I suspect this will be how they give
    the Hope actress the maternity(?) leave it looks like she needs.

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one.
       This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name actress who is absent from the rest of the movie, and also adding some swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
       The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum it
    - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it stars
    an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!), along
    the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first season of
    the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but as was the unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s she was
    sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen left acting soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character equivalent!)
    and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
       Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be a "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models, Inc.", "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But compared
    even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values, mostly uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.
       The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ. (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A. colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
       It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
       At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.



    If it's a nighttime soap, why is it called "Kill Shot?"

    I watched:

    First Blood (4K disc) 1982 movie that my brain *refuses* to call "First
    Blood" starring Sylvester Stallone as "Rambo," a Vietnam vet who is
    pushed too far by small town sheriff (Brian Dennehy) then goes on a
    killing spree. I watched with a Sylvester Stallone commentary.
    Stallone had some good stories about the making of the movie. He said
    Kirk Douglas was originally cast in Richard Crenna's role. But Douglas
    showed up on set the first day of filming and had completely rewritten
    the script. Then insisted they shoot the version that he had written or
    he walks. So, Stallone told him to walk. They then had to scramble to
    find a replacement and stumbled upon Richard Crenna, who at the time was
    in a play playing a very effeminate character. Crenna comes in and
    Douglas' wardrobe doesn't fit him properly because he's a lot taller.
    And when Crenna started to do the dialogue, as this tough military man
    of action, he was still speaking in the effeminate voice he was using on stage. They had to tell Crenna to put some base in his voice. He also
    talked about being friends with Ronald Reagan and that Reagon liked
    Rambo and the character became associated with right wing militaristic
    might. Stallone said that is the exact opposite of everything Rambo
    stands for.


    Rambo: First Blood Part II (4K disc) 1985 sequel that sort of fixes the
    name, but they still have the "First Blood" nonsense in the title. The
    name of this series is "Rambo!" Anyway, after murdering a bunch of
    people in the first movie, Rocky, I mean Rambo, is released from prison
    to go on a top-secret mission to rescue some American POWs still being
    held in Vietnam. This was mostly background noise.


    Rambo III (4K disc) 1988 sequel which has Rocky, I mean Rambo teaming up
    with the Taliban to fight Russians. I'm sure the Taliban will be
    grateful for Rambo's help and will forever be America's friend. More background noise.


    Rambo (4K disc) 2008 sequel which finds Rocky, I mean Rambo living as a boatman in Thailand. Julie Benza plays a relief worker from a church
    group that hires Rambo to take them into the Burma warzone to do some
    relief work, but her group is promptly captured. Rocky, I mean Rambo
    has to then team up with a group of mercenaries for a rescue mission.
    And Rambo takes the opportunity to kill Burmese soldiers with extreme prejudice at close range.


    Rambo: Last Blood (4K disc) 2019 sequel which finds Rocky, I mean Rambo, coming out of retirement for one final fight. After retiring from
    killing people Rambo has settled down and has become godfather (?) to a
    young woman. But the girl decides to travel to Mexico to talk to her biological father and is promptly captured by sex traffickers. Rambo
    then decides to travel to Mexico and painfully kill as many of the sex traffickers as he can, which turns out to be all of them! My favorite
    scene has to be when Rambo evcf bhg n thl'f fgvyy orngvat urneg naq
    fubjf vg gb uvz. And that is why you do *not* mess with Rambo!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqAtPZp-t4

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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 10:16:50 2026
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    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps... Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also
    put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:


    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one.
    This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name actress who is absent from the rest of the movie,

    You gonna tell us who?

    and also adding some
    swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
    The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum it
    - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it stars
    an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!),

    Together again for the first time with Denise Richards (who only came once
    that year)

    along
    the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first season of
    the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but as was the unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s she was
    sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen left acting

    Too bad I liked her


    soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character equivalent!)
    and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
    Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be a "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models, Inc.", "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But compared
    even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values, mostly uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.
    The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ.
    (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A. colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
    It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
    At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.



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  • From Ubiquitous@weberm@polaris.net to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 13:24:01 2026
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    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    On the day before the semiquincentennial, I watched:

    George Takei And Wil Wheaton LOSE THEIR MINDS On Dwayne Johnson THE ROCK!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt6393uUP8

    This assumes they weren't already insane

    Heh. I pray that Shatner outlives Takei.

    The Odyssey Trailer Has 233,000 Dislikes And Universal Is TERRIFIED Of
    What Comes Next!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WXEweXZFkI

    More so than Snow White? Wow

    What Michelle Obama's Dress REALLY Reveals
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjb70J7xwI

    I thought the question was, what is it hiding?

    Putting a huge photo of your mother's face on your crotch seems counter-productive.

    What did you watch?

    Hey, thanks for asking!

    MOTHER LODE a good old-fashioned adventure film with Charlton Heston and
    Kim Basinger.

    A DOCTOR WHO NIGHTMARE.
    I fell asleep to the lovely Freema and woke up to the hideous Donna in an >episode guest starring Peter Crapaldi.

    What? Oh nooo!
    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.

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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 17:48:49 2026
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    On Jul 4, 2026 at 1:30:41 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    On the day before the semiquincentennial, I watched:

    George Takei And Wil Wheaton LOSE THEIR MINDS On Dwayne Johnson THE ROCK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt6393uUP8

    So in other words, by keeping his politics to himself, the Rock gave me
    another reason to enjoy his performances.

    Oh, and shut up, Wesley!

    What Michelle Obama's Dress REALLY Reveals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjb70J7xwI

    I refuse to click on that link. I don't want to know what Big Mike's dress is concealing.


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  • From Ian J. Ball@ijball@mac.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 11:36:01 2026
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    On 7/4/26 10:14 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:

    On 7/4/2026 9:23 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    [snip]

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird
    one.
        This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly
    for UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name
    actress who is absent from the rest of the movie, and also adding some
    swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
        The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum
    it - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it
    stars an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!),
    along the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first
    season of the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but
    as was the unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s
    she was sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen
    left acting soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character
    equivalent!) and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
        Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be >> a "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models,
    Inc.", "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But
    compared even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values,
    mostly uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.
        The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ. >> (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A.
    colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
        It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
        At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.

    If it's a nighttime soap, why is it called "Kill Shot?"

    It wasn't, that's the point - it was originally called "P.C.H." when it
    was to be a nighttime soap, but they changed the title to "Kill Shot"
    when it was released as a direct-to-video flick. The marketers clearly
    thought "Kill Shot" was a sexier title to try and sell a DTV flick!


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  • From Ian J. Ball@ijball@mac.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 11:43:45 2026
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    On 7/4/26 10:16 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps...
    Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also
    put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one. >> This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for
    UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name
    actress who is absent from the rest of the movie,

    You gonna tell us who?

    No idea - even much of the "main (young adult) cast" for this flick
    don't have pictures in IMDb. I could not tell you which one of the minor actresses was the naked girl as the bit-part actresses in this flick definitely don't have pictures in IMDb! And I don't think this name of
    the character was said on screen either - she basically was a quick (and disposable!) f**k for Casper Van Dien.

    and also adding some
    swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
    The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum it
    - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it stars
    an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!),

    Together again for the first time with Denise Richards (who only came once that year)

    My favorite trivia about Denise Richards is that her "big break" was an unbilled part on the original "Saved by the Bell" as the girl Slater
    rescues from ocean, circa 1991.

    along
    the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first season of
    the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but as was the
    unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s she was
    sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen left acting

    Too bad I liked her

    Yeah, I think she's gorgeous - this would have been a lot more
    interesting if they'd managed to get some naked nudity out of her! But
    she was pretty much the "lead" of this, so it wasn't going to happen.

    soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character equivalent!)
    and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
    Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be a
    "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models, Inc.",
    "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But compared
    even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values, mostly
    uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.
    The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ.
    (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A.
    colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
    It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
    At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 20:06:18 2026
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    Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    First Blood (4K disc) 1982 movie that my brain *refuses* to call "First >Blood" starring Sylvester Stallone as "Rambo," a Vietnam vet who is
    pushed too far by small town sheriff (Brian Dennehy) then goes on a
    killing spree. I watched with a Sylvester Stallone commentary.
    Stallone had some good stories about the making of the movie. He said
    Kirk Douglas was originally cast in Richard Crenna's role. But Douglas >showed up on set the first day of filming and had completely rewritten
    the script. Then insisted they shoot the version that he had written or
    he walks. So, Stallone told him to walk. They then had to scramble to
    find a replacement and stumbled upon Richard Crenna, who at the time was
    in a play playing a very effeminate character. Crenna comes in and
    Douglas' wardrobe doesn't fit him properly because he's a lot taller.
    And when Crenna started to do the dialogue, as this tough military man
    of action, he was still speaking in the effeminate voice he was using on >stage. They had to tell Crenna to put some base in his voice. He also >talked about being friends with Ronald Reagan and that Reagon liked
    Rambo and the character became associated with right wing militaristic >might. Stallone said that is the exact opposite of everything Rambo
    stands for.

    I love the Kirk Douglas story! And was Crenna doing the Walter Denton
    voice? Hahahahahahahaha To me, it seemed like the role should have been
    larger as he shows up out of nowhere lie he wasn't available for the
    entire production. If Douglas had played the character as written, would
    it have had more screen time?

    In any event, it was Stallone, not Ah'nold, that invented that specific subgenre of action movie, and it wasn't First Blood. The sequel
    completely retconned the character, and THAT'S the movie Reagan would
    quote from.

    It may not have been what Rambo stood for in First Blood, but Stallone absolutely saw a market to exploit. Plus, his movies had a zero costume
    budget as the men never wore any clothes to show off their bulked-up
    physiques.

    . . .
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  • From shawn@nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 16:20:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 11:43:45 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 7/4/26 10:16 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps... >>> Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also
    put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one. >>> This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for
    UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name
    actress who is absent from the rest of the movie,

    You gonna tell us who?

    No idea - even much of the "main (young adult) cast" for this flick
    don't have pictures in IMDb. I could not tell you which one of the minor >actresses was the naked girl as the bit-part actresses in this flick >definitely don't have pictures in IMDb! And I don't think this name of
    the character was said on screen either - she basically was a quick (and >disposable!) f**k for Casper Van Dien.

    Only two that get identified here are Rachel Cook and Xian Mikol

    https://www.aznude.com/view/movie/k/killshot-4010200.html

    Ah, here is your nude... Alexis Butler

    https://www.aznude.com/view/movie/k/killshot.html

    and also adding some
    swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
    The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum it
    - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it stars
    an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!),

    Together again for the first time with Denise Richards (who only came once >> that year)

    My favorite trivia about Denise Richards is that her "big break" was an >unbilled part on the original "Saved by the Bell" as the girl Slater
    rescues from ocean, circa 1991.

    along
    the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first season of
    the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but as was the
    unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s she was
    sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen left acting

    Too bad I liked her

    Yeah, I think she's gorgeous - this would have been a lot more
    interesting if they'd managed to get some naked nudity out of her! But
    she was pretty much the "lead" of this, so it wasn't going to happen.

    soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character equivalent!)
    and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
    Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be a >>> "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models, Inc.",
    "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But compared
    even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values, mostly
    uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.
    The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ.
    (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A.
    colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
    It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
    At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.

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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 13:59:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jul 4, 2026 at 1:30:41 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    On the day before the semiquincentennial, I watched:

    George Takei And Wil Wheaton LOSE THEIR MINDS On Dwayne Johnson THE ROCK!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt6393uUP8

    So in other words, by keeping his politics to himself, the Rock gave me another reason to enjoy his performances.


    Besides frequent costar Alexandria “Hi-Ho” Daddario


    Oh, and shut up, Wesley!

    Ditto


    What Michelle Obama's Dress REALLY Reveals
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjb70J7xwI

    I refuse to click on that link. I don't want to know what Big Mike's dress is concealing.

    Ditto
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 13:59:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 10:16 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps... >>> Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also
    put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one. >>> This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for
    UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name
    actress who is absent from the rest of the movie,

    You gonna tell us who?

    No idea - even much of the "main (young adult) cast" for this flick
    don't have pictures in IMDb. I could not tell you which one of the minor actresses was the naked girl as the bit-part actresses in this flick definitely don't have pictures in IMDb! And I don't think this name of
    the character was said on screen either - she basically was a quick (and disposable!) f**k for Casper Van Dien.

    I checked it out. I don’t think she’s even a real character and she definitely doesn’t have a name or lines. She’s just somebody for him to fantasize about Selena Gomez when he’s with her.


    and also adding some
    swearing), but even then it wasn't actually released anywhere until 5
    years later(!) in 2000.
    The cast isn't bad: they manage to get some bigger names to slum it
    - Jack Scalia, Sally Kellerman and Elliott Gould show up - and it stars
    an impossibly young Casper Van Dien (pre-"Starship Troopers"!),

    Together again for the first time with Denise Richards (who only came once >> that year)

    My favorite trivia about Denise Richards is that her "big break" was an unbilled part on the original "Saved by the Bell" as the girl Slater
    rescues from ocean, circa 1991.

    along
    the very tall Jacqueline Collen (she co-starred in the first season of
    the syndicated fantasy drama "The Adventures of Sinbad", but as was the
    unfortunate practice with the syndicated dramas in the 90s she was
    sacked and replaced for the show's second season, and Collen left acting

    Too bad I liked her

    Yeah, I think she's gorgeous - this would have been a lot more
    interesting if they'd managed to get some naked nudity out of her!

    There’s a bunch of shots of her in a one piece bathing suit from Baywatch
    and a bunch of “fakes“ that obviously aren’t her. One of them is of Jackie
    Bissett as Miss good thighs!

    But
    she was pretty much the "lead" of this, so it wasn't going to happen.

    soon after that) and Gianni Russo (as the "Nat"-character equivalent!)
    and some other no-names that even I have never heard of.
    Considering this was made in 1995, it looks like it's trying to be a
    "nighttime soap opera" in the same vein as series like "Models, Inc.",
    "Savannah", "Pacific Palisades" and of course "BH, 90210". But compared
    even to those, this was *terrible* - bad production values, mostly
    uninteresting boilerplate characters, and dumb plot and writing.

    You liked it better than I did

    The setting for this was supposed to be (I think) Pepperdine Univ.
    (IMBd has no info on where this was filmed, but I think the university
    they did film at wasn't Pepperdine but one of the other local L.A.
    colleges). And the main plotline was Scalia's character stalking
    Collen's character, but this storyline takes too long to get anywhere,
    and then resolves in such a way that you can tell that wasn't the
    original plan for this story (IOW, you can tell that they resolved it
    this way for the recut direct-to-video movie version).
    It is little wonder that (UPN?) passed on this.
    At least the "recut version" manages to come to enough of a
    conclusion to wrap things up.



    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@arthur@alum.calberkeley.org to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 14:23:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 7/4/2026 1:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    First Blood (4K disc) 1982 movie that my brain *refuses* to call "First
    Blood" starring Sylvester Stallone as "Rambo," a Vietnam vet who is
    pushed too far by small town sheriff (Brian Dennehy) then goes on a
    killing spree. I watched with a Sylvester Stallone commentary.
    Stallone had some good stories about the making of the movie. He said
    Kirk Douglas was originally cast in Richard Crenna's role. But Douglas
    showed up on set the first day of filming and had completely rewritten
    the script. Then insisted they shoot the version that he had written or
    he walks. So, Stallone told him to walk. They then had to scramble to
    find a replacement and stumbled upon Richard Crenna, who at the time was
    in a play playing a very effeminate character. Crenna comes in and
    Douglas' wardrobe doesn't fit him properly because he's a lot taller.
    And when Crenna started to do the dialogue, as this tough military man
    of action, he was still speaking in the effeminate voice he was using on
    stage. They had to tell Crenna to put some base in his voice. He also
    talked about being friends with Ronald Reagan and that Reagon liked
    Rambo and the character became associated with right wing militaristic
    might. Stallone said that is the exact opposite of everything Rambo
    stands for.

    I love the Kirk Douglas story! And was Crenna doing the Walter Denton
    voice?

    I had to look up Walter Denton and found this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwo750jP4tU

    Wow! I was not expecting that voice! LOL

    And Crenna talking about it a little: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oshg3lZUHk8


    Hahahahahahahaha To me, it seemed like the role should have been
    larger as he shows up out of nowhere lie he wasn't available for the
    entire production. If Douglas had played the character as written, would
    it have had more screen time?


    I think so. It kind of sounded like Douglas wrote himself a lead role
    because he felt he should have been the star or costar of the movie. I
    don't recall everything Stallone said, but I think he said Douglas
    wanted it to be more of a psychological drama where his character was indistinguishable from Rambo. And I think he said the movie would have
    ended with Rambo being chained to the back of Douglas' truck as he drove
    away.

    In any event, it was Stallone, not Ah'nold, that invented that specific subgenre of action movie, and it wasn't First Blood. The sequel
    completely retconned the character, and THAT'S the movie Reagan would
    quote from.

    It may not have been what Rambo stood for in First Blood, but Stallone absolutely saw a market to exploit. Plus, his movies had a zero costume budget as the men never wore any clothes to show off their bulked-up physiques.

    . . .

    Yeah, Stallone definitely talked about the lack of costume budget. In particular his character not having anything to wear, which meant he was freezing cold while filming the movie. He said the large piece of cloth
    he wears was an actual cloth they found on location while filming.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 22:23:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
    On 7/4/2026 1:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    First Blood (4K disc) 1982 movie that my brain *refuses* to call "First
    Blood" starring Sylvester Stallone as "Rambo," a Vietnam vet who is
    pushed too far by small town sheriff (Brian Dennehy) then goes on a
    killing spree. I watched with a Sylvester Stallone commentary.
    Stallone had some good stories about the making of the movie. He said
    Kirk Douglas was originally cast in Richard Crenna's role. But Douglas
    showed up on set the first day of filming and had completely rewritten
    the script. Then insisted they shoot the version that he had written or >>> he walks. So, Stallone told him to walk. They then had to scramble to
    find a replacement and stumbled upon Richard Crenna, who at the time was >>> in a play playing a very effeminate character. Crenna comes in and
    Douglas' wardrobe doesn't fit him properly because he's a lot taller.
    And when Crenna started to do the dialogue, as this tough military man
    of action, he was still speaking in the effeminate voice he was using on >>> stage. They had to tell Crenna to put some base in his voice. He also
    talked about being friends with Ronald Reagan and that Reagon liked
    Rambo and the character became associated with right wing militaristic
    might. Stallone said that is the exact opposite of everything Rambo
    stands for.

    I love the Kirk Douglas story! And was Crenna doing the Walter Denton
    voice?

    I had to look up Walter Denton and found this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwo750jP4tU

    Wow! I was not expecting that voice! LOL

    And Crenna talking about it a little: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oshg3lZUHk8


    Hahahahahahahaha To me, it seemed like the role should have been
    larger as he shows up out of nowhere lie he wasn't available for the
    entire production. If Douglas had played the character as written, would
    it have had more screen time?


    I think so. It kind of sounded like Douglas wrote himself a lead role >because he felt he should have been the star or costar of the movie. I >don't recall everything Stallone said, but I think he said Douglas
    wanted it to be more of a psychological drama where his character was >indistinguishable from Rambo. And I think he said the movie would have >ended with Rambo being chained to the back of Douglas' truck as he drove >away.

    That would have been an interesting movie, but I don't blame Stallone
    for a moment wanting to direct from his own script.

    It's a bit Manchurian Candidate.

    In any event, it was Stallone, not Ah'nold, that invented that specific
    subgenre of action movie, and it wasn't First Blood. The sequel
    completely retconned the character, and THAT'S the movie Reagan would
    quote from.

    It may not have been what Rambo stood for in First Blood, but Stallone
    absolutely saw a market to exploit. Plus, his movies had a zero costume
    budget as the men never wore any clothes to show off their bulked-up
    physiques.

    . . .

    Yeah, Stallone definitely talked about the lack of costume budget. In >particular his character not having anything to wear, which meant he was >freezing cold while filming the movie. He said the large piece of cloth
    he wears was an actual cloth they found on location while filming.

    Hahahahaha

    If you write yourself a role in which you are naked, set the action in
    Tahiti.
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  • From danny burstein@dannyb@panix.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 22:29:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    In <112c157$hnsb$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    [snip]

    If you write yourself a role in which you are naked, set the action in >Tahiti.

    Or in a cave you're sharing with Michael York and Roscoe Lee Browne
    as you're escaping the undergroud city.

    (Yes, frontal nudity by Jenny Agutter)
    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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  • From Ian J. Ball@ijball@mac.invalid to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 15:41:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 7/4/26 1:20 PM, shawn wrote:

    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 11:43:45 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:
    On 7/4/26 10:16 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps... >>>> Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also >>>> put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one. >>>> This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do
    indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for >>>> UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name
    actress who is absent from the rest of the movie,

    You gonna tell us who?

    No idea - even much of the "main (young adult) cast" for this flick
    don't have pictures in IMDb. I could not tell you which one of the minor
    actresses was the naked girl as the bit-part actresses in this flick
    definitely don't have pictures in IMDb! And I don't think this name of
    the character was said on screen either - she basically was a quick (and
    disposable!) f**k for Casper Van Dien.

    Only two that get identified here are Rachel Cook and Xian Mikol

    https://www.aznude.com/view/movie/k/killshot-4010200.html

    Ah, here is your nude... Alexis Butler

    https://www.aznude.com/view/movie/k/killshot.html

    That's the wrong "Kill Shot" movie - this one is from 2000 (and it's
    really from 1995 as "P.C.H.").


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  • From shawn@nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jul 4 20:38:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 15:41:29 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 7/4/26 1:20 PM, shawn wrote:

    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 11:43:45 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:
    On 7/4/26 10:16 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 7/4/26 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    I actually worked most of the day yesterday, so just soccer and soaps... >>>>> Well, that's not strictly true - while I worked later last night I also >>>>> put on a "movie" off Tubi (as mostly background noise) that was
    apparently actually a failed TV pilot:

    Kill Shot, aka/originally titled as "P.C.H." (Tubi) - This is a weird one.
    This was apparently a failed pilot from 1995 (the end credits do >>>>> indeed have a 1995 copyright date) - for who it's unclear: possibly for >>>>> UPN(!). They apparently recut the failed pilot into a TV movie
    (including adding some incidental naked nudity from the usual no-name >>>>> actress who is absent from the rest of the movie,

    You gonna tell us who?

    No idea - even much of the "main (young adult) cast" for this flick
    don't have pictures in IMDb. I could not tell you which one of the minor >>> actresses was the naked girl as the bit-part actresses in this flick
    definitely don't have pictures in IMDb! And I don't think this name of
    the character was said on screen either - she basically was a quick (and >>> disposable!) f**k for Casper Van Dien.

    Only two that get identified here are Rachel Cook and Xian Mikol

    https://www.aznude.com/view/movie/k/killshot-4010200.html

    Ah, here is your nude... Alexis Butler

    https://www.aznude.com/view/movie/k/killshot.html

    That's the wrong "Kill Shot" movie - this one is from 2000 (and it's
    really from 1995 as "P.C.H.").


    Who knew there were so many movies named "Kill Shot".
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