• Quebec enforces secular society in the public square and in public institutions

    From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jul 5 22:19:43 2026
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    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the
    basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and
    Kosher meals at public hospitals. Bans staff at public hospitals and
    state subsidized day care from wearing head-to-toe covering garments or garments that hide the full face.

    The commentator claims the law can withstand the national law. We'll
    seee.

    Begins with video of Muslim pro-Palestine protestors doing street
    prayer-ins at the most prominent Catholic church to disrupt services and
    street access to church. The prayer services are amplified to disrupt
    the service inside the church. They've been doing this for years. It's oobviously illegal and police could have started by issuing everyone a
    traffic citation and nuissance citation for the noise the first time
    it happened. Reallly didn't have to wait for the provincial law.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu44jEcwD5E
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jul 5 22:40:13 2026
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    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the
    basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and
    Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting blocs in the community.

    Bans staff at public hospitals and
    state subsidized day care from wearing head-to-toe covering garments or garments that hide the full face.

    Good. No one wants to be in the hospital and wake up to find a Jawa changing your IV.

    Begins with video of Muslim pro-Palestine protestors doing street
    prayer-ins at the most prominent Catholic church to disrupt services and street access to church. The prayer services are amplified to disrupt
    the service inside the church. They've been doing this for years. It's oobviously illegal and police could have started by issuing everyone a traffic citation and nuissance citation for the noise the first time
    it happened. Reallly didn't have to wait for the provincial law.

    Or they could just let people run over them in the street. I bet that shit would stop real quick.

    So many of our problems have such simple solutions...


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jul 5 23:03:07 2026
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering >the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those >religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their >traditions or not?

    You are forgetting about "koshering", which is a salting and/or brining
    process attempting to eliminate blood remaining after the slaughtered
    carcas was drained. Depending on how much salt was used, the meat can be excessively salty to some tastes. I don't know if there is a halal
    counterpart to this.

    Generally, I agree with your point. I don't see how accomodating a
    religious preference in meal preparation is a religious Establishment.

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was >killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish >requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on >private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting >blocs in the community.

    Bans staff at public hospitals and
    state subsidized day care from wearing head-to-toe covering garments or >>garments that hide the full face.

    Good. No one wants to be in the hospital and wake up to find a Jawa changing >your IV.

    Begins with video of Muslim pro-Palestine protestors doing street >>prayer-ins at the most prominent Catholic church to disrupt services and >>street access to church. The prayer services are amplified to disrupt
    the service inside the church. They've been doing this for years. It's >>oobviously illegal and police could have started by issuing everyone a >>traffic citation and nuissance citation for the noise the first time
    it happened. Reallly didn't have to wait for the provincial law.

    Or they could just let people run over them in the street. I bet that shit >would stop real quick.

    So many of our problems have such simple solutions...

    Is that why police receive Army surplus armored vehicles?
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 00:09:29 2026
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    On Jul 5, 2026 at 4:03:07 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state
    subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the
    basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and
    Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering >> the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those
    religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their
    traditions or not?

    You are forgetting about "koshering", which is a salting and/or brining process attempting to eliminate blood remaining after the slaughtered
    carcas was drained. Depending on how much salt was used, the meat can be excessively salty to some tastes. I don't know if there is a halal counterpart to this.

    Generally, I agree with your point. I don't see how accomodating a
    religious preference in meal preparation is a religious Establishment.

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was
    killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish >> requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on
    private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting >> blocs in the community.

    Bans staff at public hospitals and
    state subsidized day care from wearing head-to-toe covering garments or
    garments that hide the full face.

    Good. No one wants to be in the hospital and wake up to find a Jawa changing >> your IV.

    Begins with video of Muslim pro-Palestine protestors doing street
    prayer-ins at the most prominent Catholic church to disrupt services and >>> street access to church. The prayer services are amplified to disrupt
    the service inside the church. They've been doing this for years. It's
    oobviously illegal and police could have started by issuing everyone a
    traffic citation and nuissance citation for the noise the first time
    it happened. Reallly didn't have to wait for the provincial law.

    Or they could just let people run over them in the street. I bet that shit >> would stop real quick.

    So many of our problems have such simple solutions...

    Is that why police receive Army surplus armored vehicles?

    I wish!


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jul 5 22:54:47 2026
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    On 2026-07-05 6:19 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the
    basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and
    Kosher meals at public hospitals. Bans staff at public hospitals and
    state subsidized day care from wearing head-to-toe covering garments or garments that hide the full face.

    The commentator claims the law can withstand the national law. We'll
    seee.

    Begins with video of Muslim pro-Palestine protestors doing street
    prayer-ins at the most prominent Catholic church to disrupt services and street access to church. The prayer services are amplified to disrupt
    the service inside the church. They've been doing this for years. It's oobviously illegal and police could have started by issuing everyone a traffic citation and nuissance citation for the noise the first time
    it happened. Reallly didn't have to wait for the provincial law.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu44jEcwD5E

    There are a bunch of things he missed due to being unfamiliar with how
    things are done here. First Premier Legault who promised and delivered
    this law, is no longer premier. He was getting almost to the end of his
    second term and is WAY down in the polls so he resigned and his party
    (the CAQ) chose a new leader. She has not dragged them back out of the
    hole they were in so they'll almost certainly lose the next election.
    Turley described Legault's party as "right of center": they're not.
    Legault himself is a former senior member of the Parti Quebecois, the socialist separatist party that has twice held referenda on separating
    from Canada. The law he employed to "bulletproof" the legislation is the "notwithstanding" clause, a clause in our constitution that lets a
    provincial government establish a law that on the face of it violates
    the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. As I understand it, the
    notwithstanding clause can only insulate a law that way for five years.

    Turley says the CAQ "demolished" the Liberals and the PQ (Parti
    Quebecois); that's a massive overstatement. He defeated both parties for
    two consecutive terms by coming out of the blue to form government but
    the CAQ now seems to be a spent force. As I understand it, the
    separatists are ahead in the polls so we'll probably see them back in
    office in the fall.

    Will the next government reverse this bill or any of the others enacted
    by the CAQ? I really don't know. I don't follow Quebec politics closely
    and am not aware of the current mood of the people. Turley says
    separatism is very popular among the younger - under 45 - Quebecers and
    he may be right; I just don't know.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Sun Jul 5 23:47:28 2026
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    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state
    subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the
    basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and
    Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Bans staff at public hospitals and
    state subsidized day care from wearing head-to-toe covering garments or
    garments that hide the full face.

    Good. No one wants to be in the hospital and wake up to find a Jawa changing your IV.

    Begins with video of Muslim pro-Palestine protestors doing street
    prayer-ins at the most prominent Catholic church to disrupt services and
    street access to church. The prayer services are amplified to disrupt
    the service inside the church. They've been doing this for years. It's
    oobviously illegal and police could have started by issuing everyone a
    traffic citation and nuissance citation for the noise the first time
    it happened. Reallly didn't have to wait for the provincial law.

    Or they could just let people run over them in the street. I bet that shit would stop real quick.

    So many of our problems have such simple solutions...


    --
    Rhino
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 05:45:38 2026
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    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>> subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>> basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and
    Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering >> the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those
    religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their >> traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was >> killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish >> requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on >> private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting >> blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about.

    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 06:08:35 2026
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    Verily, in article <112f8gh$1if5v$3@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Why do you want a choice, though? Is there something wrong with meat
    killed the halal way? Are you concerned it's raising prices?

    There used to be a guy who went all over Usenet complaining about kosher symbols on food. He thought the kosher inspections raised prices for the
    rest of us, but most people said he was wrong.
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 10:11:06 2026
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    On 2026-07-06 1:45 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>>> subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>>> basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>>> Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those
    religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their >>> traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was >>> killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish
    requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on >>> private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting
    blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about.

    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


    I didn't see anything to the effect that the government forced them to
    go halal; I had the impression it was a decision by the business so that
    they didn't have to ask the customer which style of meat they wanted or
    have to deal with different procedures/logistics for halal, kosher or whatever.

    I don't know if they actually have a sign or deliver a verbal warning to customers indicating that they are getting halal though; I'd be
    surprised if they do since it would inevitably lead to unhappy reactions
    from some people over the political/religious considerations. I wonder
    if there are any dietary implications? For instance, does halal involve particular spices that must be used and could cause health implications
    for someone, the way peanuts and other items cause grievous issues for
    anim? If so, that kind of thing would HAVE to be made known to customers
    at the point of order.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 09:49:48 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-07-06 1:45 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>>>> subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>>>> basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>>>> Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those
    religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their >>>> traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was >>>> killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish >>>> requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on >>>> private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting
    blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the >> meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about. >>
    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or >> kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


    I didn't see anything to the effect that the government forced them to
    go halal; I had the impression it was a decision by the business so that they didn't have to ask the customer which style of meat they wanted or
    have to deal with different procedures/logistics for halal, kosher or whatever.

    I don't know if they actually have a sign or deliver a verbal warning to customers indicating that they are getting halal though; I'd be
    surprised if they do since it would inevitably lead to unhappy reactions from some people over the political/religious considerations. I wonder
    if there are any dietary implications? For instance, does halal involve particular spices that must be used and could cause health implications
    for someone, the way peanuts and other items cause grievous issues for
    anim? If so, that kind of thing would HAVE to be made known to customers
    at the point of order.


    Well, just asking Siri, what the downsides are

    “Halal diets prohibit foods that contain blood, alcohol and foods prepared with it, and certain types of meat, including pork, most reptiles, birds of prey, and carnivorous animals (2Trusted Source).”
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 16:59:59 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-07-06 1:45 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>>>> subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>>>> basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>>>> Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of >slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those >>>> religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their
    traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was
    killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish
    requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on
    private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander
    to voting
    blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the >> meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about. >>
    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or >> kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


    I didn't see anything to the effect that the government forced them to
    go halal; I had the impression it was a decision by the business so that >they didn't have to ask the customer which style of meat they wanted or
    have to deal with different procedures/logistics for halal, kosher or >whatever.

    The Quebec statute didn't force private business to offer halal meals.
    It forced pubic institutions NOT to offer them. One might question how
    the morality is any different.

    I don't know if they actually have a sign or deliver a verbal warning to >customers indicating that they are getting halal though; I'd be
    surprised if they do since it would inevitably lead to unhappy reactions >from some people over the political/religious considerations. I wonder
    if there are any dietary implications? For instance, does halal involve >particular spices that must be used and could cause health implications
    for someone, the way peanuts and other items cause grievous issues for
    anim? If so, that kind of thing would HAVE to be made known to customers
    at the point of order.
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  • From shawn@nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 13:00:47 2026
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    On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 09:49:48 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-07-06 1:45 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >>> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>>>>> subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>>>>> basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>>>>> Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those >>>>> religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their >>>>> traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was >>>>> killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish
    requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on >>>>> private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting
    blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the >>> meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about.

    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or
    kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


    I didn't see anything to the effect that the government forced them to
    go halal; I had the impression it was a decision by the business so that
    they didn't have to ask the customer which style of meat they wanted or
    have to deal with different procedures/logistics for halal, kosher or
    whatever.

    I don't know if they actually have a sign or deliver a verbal warning to
    customers indicating that they are getting halal though; I'd be
    surprised if they do since it would inevitably lead to unhappy reactions
    from some people over the political/religious considerations. I wonder
    if there are any dietary implications? For instance, does halal involve
    particular spices that must be used and could cause health implications
    for someone, the way peanuts and other items cause grievous issues for
    anim? If so, that kind of thing would HAVE to be made known to customers
    at the point of order.


    Well, just asking Siri, what the downsides are

    “Halal diets prohibit foods that contain blood, alcohol and foods prepared >with it, and certain types of meat, including pork, most reptiles, birds of >prey, and carnivorous animals (2Trusted Source).”

    Really should include chickens along with pork. Both are more than
    willing to eat meat along with anything else they can find. Cows, on
    the hand, aren't the carnivorous sort. Nor are most other related
    animals like buffalo or bison.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 17:32:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was >>halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Why do you want a choice, though? Is there something wrong with meat
    killed the halal way? Are you concerned it's raising prices?

    Hala and Kosher use salt to get rid of additional blood, a concern for
    someone on a sodium-restricted diet.

    There used to be a guy who went all over Usenet complaining about kosher >symbols on food. He thought the kosher inspections raised prices for the >rest of us, but most people said he was wrong.

    If it's one production line, there's no way the extra cost could be
    noticed by consumers. If a separate production line, it would be.

    During Passover, certain foods are simply not sold even if they could be
    made Kosher for Passover because setting up a Passover-only production
    line for an 8-day period is absurdly expensive. There's no choice with
    matzoh, though.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 17:50:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Jul 6, 2026 at 7:11:06 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-07-06 1:45 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >>>> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state
    subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the
    basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>>>> Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of
    slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those >>>> religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their
    traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was
    killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish
    requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on
    private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to >>>> voting
    blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the >> meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about.

    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or
    kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


    I didn't see anything to the effect that the government forced them to
    go halal; I had the impression it was a decision by the business so that they didn't have to ask the customer which style of meat they wanted or
    have to deal with different procedures/logistics for halal, kosher or whatever.

    I don't know if they actually have a sign or deliver a verbal warning to customers indicating that they are getting halal though; I'd be
    surprised if they do since it would inevitably lead to unhappy reactions from some people over the political/religious considerations. I wonder
    if there are any dietary implications? For instance, does halal involve particular spices that must be used and could cause health implications
    for someone, the way peanuts and other items cause grievous issues for
    anim? If so, that kind of thing would HAVE to be made known to customers
    at the point of order.

    The thing I've read that really becomes a problem with halal is that the requirements on killing the animal cause it to suffer much more than it would if it were dispatched using standard non-religious means, but with halal, it also requires an imam to say prayers over it as it dies, which obviously becomes a jobs program for Muslims, if the government is forcing this on butchers and farmers. Not only do they have to kill their livestock in a way that painful and prolongs suffering, but they have to hire people to pray over every animal they butcher.

    I don't know how kosher works and if there's similar problems there. I only kept kosher for about four months during high school when a Jewish girl was using me to piss off her parents by dating a goy. (I enjoyed being used.)


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 17:56:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Jul 6, 2026 at 3:08:35 AM PDT, "The True Melissa"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <112f8gh$1if5v$3@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Why do you want a choice, though? Is there something wrong with meat
    killed the halal way?

    Animal rights activists oppose both halal and kosher because it prolongs the suffering of the animal. It has to be killed and bled dry while it's alive, as opposed to the industry standard practice of just driving a bolt through its brain which kills it instantly.

    Are you concerned it's raising prices?

    There used to be a guy who went all over Usenet complaining about kosher symbols on food. He thought the kosher inspections raised prices for the rest of us, but most people said he was wrong.

    My understanding is that-- at least with halal-- the process also requires a religious figure to say prayers while the animal is slaughtered. This could raise prices because I'm sure the imams don't do it for free and the process also takes ten times longer to slaughter the animals, so far fewer can be processed in a day than they can when standard industry practices are used.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 18:18:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    The thing I've read that really becomes a problem with halal is that the >requirements on killing the animal cause it to suffer much more than it would >if it were dispatched using standard non-religious means, but with halal, it >also requires an imam to say prayers over it as it dies, which obviously >becomes a jobs program for Muslims, if the government is forcing this on >butchers and farmers. Not only do they have to kill their livestock in a way >that painful and prolongs suffering, but they have to hire people to pray over >every animal they butcher.

    I don't know how kosher works and if there's similar problems there. I only >kept kosher for about four months during high school when a Jewish girl was >using me to piss off her parents by dating a goy. (I enjoyed being used.)

    Hahahahaha

    I looked it up. An actual Jewish site was ay down in the search
    results. Technically, the slaughter isn't a ritual but a specific set of instructions. The butchering, called Shechita, is performed by a learned
    man called a Shochet, who uses a very sharp knife called a chalef. A
    rabbi certifies both the knife and the man's skills. A blessing is said
    before the slaughter. which is a single vertical slice through both the
    trachea and a vertical slice through a major blood vessel to quickly exsanginate the blood. Now, the animal will be rendered unconscious but
    death takes a moment.

    In regular slaughter, the animal is killed with a rod through the brain
    via a thinner part of the skull.

    I suspect Kosher drains more blood sooner, at least till the heart stops.

    No one prays over the dying animal.

    Is there some unnecessary suffering in the method? I hope not.
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 15:44:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <112goqk$24oo6$4@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was >>halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one >>chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you >>don't even have a choice.

    Why do you want a choice, though? Is there something wrong with meat >killed the halal way? Are you concerned it's raising prices?

    Hala and Kosher use salt to get rid of additional blood, a concern for someone on a sodium-restricted diet.

    I see. That makes sense.


    There used to be a guy who went all over Usenet complaining about kosher >symbols on food. He thought the kosher inspections raised prices for the >rest of us, but most people said he was wrong.

    If it's one production line, there's no way the extra cost could be
    noticed by consumers. If a separate production line, it would be.

    During Passover, certain foods are simply not sold even if they could be
    made Kosher for Passover because setting up a Passover-only production
    line for an 8-day period is absurdly expensive. There's no choice with matzoh, though.

    Sounds like a good opportunity for local foodmakers to pick up some of
    the slack with a big Passover push.
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 15:50:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <112gq7k$26251$5@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
    Animal rights activists oppose both halal and kosher because it prolongs the suffering of the animal. It has to be killed and bled dry while it's alive, as
    opposed to the industry standard practice of just driving a bolt through its brain which kills it instantly.

    I've heard that one before. It is definitely less humane, but it doesn't affect the quality of the meat according to most.

    There are those who say it does, that the animal's pain and fear lead to adrenaline and other chemicals which aren't good for us. I have trouble believing that, given that we originally hunted our meat over distances.
    I'm sure they were plenty afraid as we closed in.
    --
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    United States of America - North America - Earth
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 16:05:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 7/6/2026 3:50 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <112gq7k$26251$5@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
    Animal rights activists oppose both halal and kosher because it prolongs the >> suffering of the animal. It has to be killed and bled dry while it's alive, as
    opposed to the industry standard practice of just driving a bolt through its >> brain which kills it instantly.

    I've heard that one before. It is definitely less humane, but it doesn't affect the quality of the meat according to most.

    There are those who say it does, that the animal's pain and fear lead to adrenaline and other chemicals which aren't good for us. I have trouble believing that, given that we originally hunted our meat over distances.
    I'm sure they were plenty afraid as we closed in.

    I doubt they'd have realized we were armed...


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 16:51:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    Verily, in article <112h1ph$2b6oj$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 7/6/2026 3:50 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <112gq7k$26251$5@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
    Animal rights activists oppose both halal and kosher because it prolongs the
    suffering of the animal. It has to be killed and bled dry while it's alive, as
    opposed to the industry standard practice of just driving a bolt through its
    brain which kills it instantly.

    I've heard that one before. It is definitely less humane, but it doesn't affect the quality of the meat according to most.

    There are those who say it does, that the animal's pain and fear lead to adrenaline and other chemicals which aren't good for us. I have trouble believing that, given that we originally hunted our meat over distances. I'm sure they were plenty afraid as we closed in.

    I doubt they'd have realized we were armed...

    We weren't armed in those days. Before we figured out how to make
    weapons, we ran our prey down. This is the usual explanation for why we developed sweating (and lost our fur for it): under the African sun, we
    could keep going after the prey overheated and collapsed.

    I love prehistory.
    --
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 14:24:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 09:49:48 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-07-06 1:45 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 8:47:28 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2026-07-05 6:40 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 5, 2026 at 3:19:43 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I think my favorite part of this is if a religious school accepts state >>>>>>> subsidy, it can no longer be selective of faculty/staff/students on the >>>>>>> basis of religion. That almost gets you to Jefferson's wall of
    separation between Church and State!

    Bans prayer rooms at public universities. Bans "exclusively" Halal and >>>>>>> Kosher meals at public hospitals.

    I've never understood this one. Those are just various ways of slaughtering
    the animal from which the meat comes. If you're not a member of those >>>>>> religions, why would you care if the animal was killed according to their
    traditions or not?

    I've never sat down with my Five Guys burger and wondered how the cow was
    killed or would care if I was told it was killed in accordance with Jewish
    requirements. So long as it's tasty, makes no difference to me.

    I only get testy when the government imposes kosher/halal requirements on
    private businesses (as they've done in the UK) in order to pander to voting
    blocs in the community.

    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was >>>>> halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you >>>>> don't even have a choice.

    Well, that's my point. Being an atheist, I don't care if they slaughter the
    meat one way or another. If the burger tastes good, that's all I care about.

    But if the government is *forcing* private businesses to only serve halal or
    kosher to cater to religious groups, then that's a problem.


    I didn't see anything to the effect that the government forced them to
    go halal; I had the impression it was a decision by the business so that >>> they didn't have to ask the customer which style of meat they wanted or >>> have to deal with different procedures/logistics for halal, kosher or
    whatever.

    I don't know if they actually have a sign or deliver a verbal warning to >>> customers indicating that they are getting halal though; I'd be
    surprised if they do since it would inevitably lead to unhappy reactions >>> from some people over the political/religious considerations. I wonder
    if there are any dietary implications? For instance, does halal involve >>> particular spices that must be used and could cause health implications >>> for someone, the way peanuts and other items cause grievous issues for
    anim? If so, that kind of thing would HAVE to be made known to customers >>> at the point of order.


    Well, just asking Siri, what the downsides are

    “Halal diets prohibit foods that contain blood, alcohol and foods prepared >> with it, and certain types of meat, including pork, most reptiles, birds of >> prey, and carnivorous animals (2Trusted Source).”

    Really should include chickens

    Agreed

    along with pork. Both are more than
    willing to eat meat along with anything else they can find. Cows, on
    the hand, aren't the carnivorous sort. Nor are most other related
    animals like buffalo or bison.

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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jul 6 17:58:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 7/6/2026 4:51 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <112h1ph$2b6oj$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 7/6/2026 3:50 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <112gq7k$26251$5@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Animal rights activists oppose both halal and kosher because it prolongs the
    suffering of the animal. It has to be killed and bled dry while it's alive, as
    opposed to the industry standard practice of just driving a bolt through its
    brain which kills it instantly.

    I've heard that one before. It is definitely less humane, but it doesn't >>> affect the quality of the meat according to most.

    There are those who say it does, that the animal's pain and fear lead to >>> adrenaline and other chemicals which aren't good for us. I have trouble
    believing that, given that we originally hunted our meat over distances. >>> I'm sure they were plenty afraid as we closed in.

    I doubt they'd have realized we were armed...

    We weren't armed in those days. Before we figured out how to make
    weapons, we ran our prey down. This is the usual explanation for why we developed sweating (and lost our fur for it): under the African sun, we
    could keep going after the prey overheated and collapsed.

    I love prehistory.

    But would the prey, watching us approach, be anticipating an imminent encounter with Marathon Man? I'd figure that, at worst, they'd just be flexing their quads, deciding when to bolt and leave us in the dust. I
    can see some adrenaline being involved, but less so pain and fear.


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  • From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jul 8 18:05:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 7/6/26 3:08 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <112f8gh$1if5v$3@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    How would you feel if ALL the meat at your favourite burger joint was
    halal? I read an article a few months back saying that at least one
    chain - I don't recall which one - makes ALL their meat halal so you
    don't even have a choice.

    Why do you want a choice, though? Is there something wrong with meat
    killed the halal way?

    It's cruel like kosher slaughter.

    Are you concerned it's raising prices?

    There used to be a guy who went all over Usenet complaining about kosher symbols on food. He thought the kosher inspections raised prices for the
    rest of us,

    To carry the trademarked kosher symbols on food requires
    the purchase of a license, with the funds going to
    political organizations.


    but most people said he was wrong.

    People didn't rebut him but labelled him as politically
    wrong, which is not the same thing. He claimed it costs
    thousands of dollars for permission to carry kosher
    symbols on food; he failed to give more details about
    this and there the story stops.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope

    "Refuters contended that food producers would not engage
    in the certification process if it was not profitable to
    obtain the "kosher certification", which is actually a
    voluntary business decision, while the "resultant"
    increased sales would lower the average cost"

    That is not a rebuttal, but the generic apologist trope
    that "the institution would not do it if it wasn't in
    it's own interest".






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