• [OT] Is polygamy illegal in the US?

    From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jul 8 21:22:33 2026
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    I am almost certain that polygamy is NOT legal in the United States but
    I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women
    who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in
    a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of
    those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or
    "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were
    summed up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aqBCzCZug [25 minutes]

    The man eventually got 50 years in jail and he was 48 so the odds of him
    ever getting out are negligible but I'm baffled about why he didn't get charged with polygamy. My guess is that they decided that the other
    charges had enough jail time that they didn't need to prosecute him on
    the polygamy.

    The end of the video said nothing about what happened to all the illegal marriages. Were they allowed to continue if he wasn't prosecuted for
    polygamy? If so, he must have lots of visitors on visiting day!

    The various women were truly bizarre. I really felt like they were all
    in a sex cult masquerading as a religious sect.
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  • From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jul 8 19:11:07 2026
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    On 7/8/26 6:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    I am almost certain that polygamy is NOT legal in the United States but I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were summed up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aqBCzCZug [25 minutes]
    The man eventually got 50 years in jail and he was 48 so the odds of him ever getting out are negligible but I'm baffled about why he didn't get charged with polygamy. My guess is that they decided that the other charges had enough jail time that they didn't need to prosecute him on the polygamy.

    Bigamy is state law, which all states make illegal. All
    states also make it illegal to kidnap, rape children and commit
    incest. So why was this in federal court? Did any local
    institutions act to protect the crime?


    The end of the video said nothing about what happened to all the illegal marriages. Were they allowed to continue if he wasn't prosecuted for polygamy?

    An illegal marriage is not considered a marriage if it's
    registered fraudulently. Informal polygamy might not be
    illegal?


    If so, he must have lots of visitors on visiting day!

    The various women were truly bizarre. I really felt like they were all in a sex cult masquerading as a religious sect.

    Mormons or masquerading as Mormons?

    "Cult" is a term that seems like it's not descriptive enough.
    I tend to lump a great deal of evil organizations into the term
    "power cult", as it seems that the purported spirituality, or
    supposed political outlook, is entirely irrelevant, the power
    cult framework always coming first. They are run by criminals
    with the same authoritarian and sadistic hatred of the weak and
    defenseless as any other gangs or the corrupt have.


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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Jul 9 05:43:49 2026
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    Verily, in article <112mt4p$1gc3$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women
    who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in
    a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of
    those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or
    "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were
    summed up.


    They likely weren't all legal marriages. In the Mormon splinter groups
    which still do this, the first/senior wife is the legal wife, but the
    husband calls all of them his wives.

    I don't think it's illegal as long as there's only one marriage
    contract.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv on Thu Jul 9 14:54:18 2026
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    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <112mt4p$1gc3$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women
    who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in
    a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of
    those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or
    "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were
    summed up.


    They likely weren't all legal marriages. In the Mormon splinter groups
    which still do this, the first/senior wife is the legal wife, but the husband calls all of them his wives.

    I don't think it's illegal as long as there's only one marriage
    contract.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1

    Polygamy was outlawed in federal territories by the 1882 Edmunds Act, and
    there are laws against the practice in all 50 states, as well as the
    District of Columbia, Guam,[1] and Puerto Rico.[2] Because state laws
    exist, polygamy is not actively prosecuted at the federal level.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Thu Jul 9 21:50:39 2026
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    On 2026-07-09 5:54 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <112mt4p$1gc3$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women
    who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in >>> a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of
    those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or
    "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were
    summed up.


    They likely weren't all legal marriages. In the Mormon splinter groups
    which still do this, the first/senior wife is the legal wife, but the
    husband calls all of them his wives.

    I don't think it's illegal as long as there's only one marriage
    contract.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1

    Polygamy was outlawed in federal territories by the 1882 Edmunds Act, and there are laws against the practice in all 50 states, as well as the
    District of Columbia, Guam,[1] and Puerto Rico.[2] Because state laws
    exist, polygamy is not actively prosecuted at the federal level.

    Thanks for confirming that. The cops must have decided that the other
    charges were sufficient and that the polygamy charges would be excessive.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Jul 10 06:50:53 2026
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    On Jul 9, 2026 at 6:50:39 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-07-09 5:54 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <112mt4p$1gc3$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women >>>> who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in >>>> a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of >>>> those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or
    "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were
    summed up.


    They likely weren't all legal marriages. In the Mormon splinter groups
    which still do this, the first/senior wife is the legal wife, but the
    husband calls all of them his wives.

    I don't think it's illegal as long as there's only one marriage
    contract.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1

    Polygamy was outlawed in federal territories by the 1882 Edmunds Act, and >> there are laws against the practice in all 50 states, as well as the
    District of Columbia, Guam,[1] and Puerto Rico.[2] Because state laws
    exist, polygamy is not actively prosecuted at the federal level.

    Thanks for confirming that. The cops must have decided that the other charges were sufficient and that the polygamy charges would be excessive.

    All that means is if you're into polygamy, you just have an "open marriage" with one official/legal wife and lots of women who are "girlfriends" on paper but who you religiously believe to be your wives also.

    Short of passing a national law that men and women are forbidden from living together unless they are married, a polygamy ban is unenforceable as a practical matter.


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Jul 10 11:57:04 2026
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    On 2026-07-10 2:50 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 9, 2026 at 6:50:39 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-07-09 5:54 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <112mt4p$1gc3$1@dont-email.me>, did
    no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    I've just watched a video about a guy who was married to several women >>>>> who was transporting some of his wives in a pickup and various minors in
    a towed U-Haul trailer and despite the multiple wives and children of >>>>> those wives involved in the incident, never once did "bigamy" or
    "polygamy" get mentioned as a charge when the court proceedings were >>>>> summed up.


    They likely weren't all legal marriages. In the Mormon splinter groups >>>> which still do this, the first/senior wife is the legal wife, but the >>>> husband calls all of them his wives.

    I don't think it's illegal as long as there's only one marriage
    contract.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1

    Polygamy was outlawed in federal territories by the 1882 Edmunds Act, and >>> there are laws against the practice in all 50 states, as well as the
    District of Columbia, Guam,[1] and Puerto Rico.[2] Because state laws
    exist, polygamy is not actively prosecuted at the federal level.

    Thanks for confirming that. The cops must have decided that the other
    charges were sufficient and that the polygamy charges would be excessive.

    All that means is if you're into polygamy, you just have an "open marriage" with one official/legal wife and lots of women who are "girlfriends" on paper but who you religiously believe to be your wives also.

    Short of passing a national law that men and women are forbidden from living together unless they are married, a polygamy ban is unenforceable as a practical matter.


    You make a good point. I think the unenforceability aspect is very real
    in other countries too. We had a case here of a Muslim whose first wife
    had proved unable to have children so he simply married another woman - WITHOUT divorcing the first - and the junior wife started popping out
    kids - seven I think - but when his three oldest daughters all starting getting too Westernized, he, his wife, and his eldest son murdered all
    three of the girls AND the senior wife, presumably because she was
    taking their side. All three of the killers are serving life sentences
    now. I'm pretty sure the Immigration authorities would not have let this family into the country if they were openly polygamous so they just
    described the senior wife as a cousin and cook rather than the senior wife.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders

    Ultimately, I think bureaucrats rely mostly on what they're told and if
    an immigrant tells a lie, they're not going to know except perhaps in
    the case of criminal records. If the immigrant has 3 wives but says he
    just has one, the immigrant's host country is unlikely to know different
    so is going to be unable to tell the country where the immigrant is
    trying to go. Mormon polygamy is even easier if they just claim to be in
    an open marriage of the kind you describe.

    Mind you, things must get complicated in the event of a divorce or
    custody dispute but they seem to have their own arrangements for that.
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