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On Nov 21, 2025 at 5:36:04 AM PST, ""Blueshirt"" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
wrote:

Your Name wrote:

On 2025-11-20 13:17:44 +0000, s|b said:

Feels like George Lucas recreating 'Star Wars' (without
being creative).

George Lucas was creative ... it's Disney that lazily remade
the original movies (with Politically Correct changes)

Well, Lucas messed around quite a bit with the original
movies long before Disney took over the franchise. Some of
his 'edits' were not very creative or popular. He was constantly
tinkering with those first three movies... like a small boy that
has just discovered his willy and can't stop touching it!

I've always been bamboozled by Lucas's choice of which scenes to update.

He left some of the worst SFX shots completely alone, but then took the time
to insert CGI creatures in the background of scenes that didn't need them, and even changed random insignificant lines from characters, like when Vader prepares to leave Bespin after his fight with Luke. In the original version,
he says, "Bring my shuttle." In the upgraded version, he says "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival." Why? How does that change or improve anything? But Lucas took the time to change it.

And while he's focusing on that irrelevant minutiae, he leaves the shot of the Executor nose-diving into the Death Star in ROTJ untouched, which is just terrible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETFNSVNQqfE

A ship larger than the island of Manhattan plunging at speed into the Death Star should have pretty much ended things right then and there. The resulting impact would have torn half the Death Star apart and crippled it. But what we got was a shot of one obvious model miniature crashing into the plastic
surface of another with a poof of flame shot up from below.

It's horrible. Even in the 80s as a kid when I saw it for the first time I thought it was horrible. If there's one shot in the entire trilogy that's screaming out to be updated with modern VFX techniques, that's the one. But Lucas ignores it in favor of expanding gas rings and redubbing random lines of dialogue.

and stupidly called them a "Sequel Trilogy",

"Sequel Trilogy" was being used in fandom long before Disney
came along. So Disney did not coin that term. (I don't know who did
though.)

plus of course Disney's continual laziness in doing 'live-
action' remakes of all their animated movies.

Guilty!

Although for 'live action' read CGI animated... i.e. there were
no real Lions in "The Lion King" remake (etc.)

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On 2025-11-21 13:36:04 +0000, Blueshirt said:

Your Name wrote:

On 2025-11-20 13:17:44 +0000, s|b said:

Feels like George Lucas recreating 'Star Wars' (without being creative).

George Lucas was creative ... it's Disney that lazily remade the
original movies (with Politically Correct changes)

Well, Lucas messed around quite a bit with the original movies long
before Disney took over the franchise. Some of his 'edits' were not
very creative or popular. He was constantly tinkering with those first
three movies... like a small boy that has just discovered his willy and can't stop touching it!

Yes, but the point is Geroge Lucas had the creativity to make the
movies and (at least from a maker's stance) every right to alter tham
to his satisfaction. Disney on the other hand showed zero creative
ability in the "Sequel Trilogy", although some of the TV shows and
other spin-off movies have been better.

and stupidly called them a "Sequel Trilogy",

"Sequel Trilogy" was being used in fandom long before Disney came
along. So Disney did not coin that term. (I don't know who did though.)

Disney simply took the original movies and lazily rehashed them with
extra Politically Correct nonsense. They laughingly called them a
"Sequel Trilogy", when in reality they were just lazy remakes.

George Lucas was already working on his own Sequel Trilogy when he sold
out to Disney. His version was a bit better, although reportedly
brought back Darth Maul, which is a silly idea, but later re-used for
the animated series.

plus of course Disney's continual laziness in doing 'live-action'
remakes of all their animated movies.

Guilty!

Although for 'live action' read CGI animated... i.e. there were no real Lions in "The Lion King" remake (etc.)

Depends on which remade movie it is. Some are pure CGI and some are CGI
/ live-action mix. There may even be a couple that are all live-action,
but I've never bothered to watch any of them to know for sure.


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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

On Nov 21, 2025 at 5:36:04 AM PST, ""Blueshirt"" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

Your Name wrote:

On 2025-11-20 13:17:44 +0000, s|b said:

Feels like George Lucas recreating 'Star Wars' (without
being creative).

George Lucas was creative ... it's Disney that lazily remade
the original movies (with Politically Correct changes)

Well, Lucas messed around quite a bit with the original
movies long before Disney took over the franchise. Some of
his 'edits' were not very creative or popular. He was constantly
tinkering with those first three movies... like a small boy that
has just discovered his willy and can't stop touching it!

I've always been bamboozled by Lucas's choice of which scenes to update.

He left some of the worst SFX shots completely alone, but then took the time to insert CGI creatures in the background of scenes that didn't need them, and
even changed random insignificant lines from characters, like when Vader prepares to leave Bespin after his fight with Luke. In the original version, he says, "Bring my shuttle." In the upgraded version, he says "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival." Why? How does that change or improve anything? But Lucas took the time to change it.

And while he's focusing on that irrelevant minutiae, he leaves the shot of the
Executor nose-diving into the Death Star in ROTJ untouched, which is just terrible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETFNSVNQqfE

A ship larger than the island of Manhattan plunging at speed into the Death Star should have pretty much ended things right then and there. The resulting impact would have torn half the Death Star apart and crippled it. But what we got was a shot of one obvious model miniature crashing into the plastic surface of another with a poof of flame shot up from below.

It's horrible. Even in the 80s as a kid when I saw it for the first time I thought it was horrible. If there's one shot in the entire trilogy that's screaming out to be updated with modern VFX techniques, that's the one. But Lucas ignores it in favor of expanding gas rings

Yeah, let’s add Praxis waves to everything.

Producers would always ask for that, so much that software packages
actually had a button for it marked BSR which stood for “big stupid ring“

I am amazed that spellcheck actually knew what I meant by “Praxis wave” and spelled it correctly

and redubbing random lines of

dialogue.

and stupidly called them a "Sequel Trilogy",

"Sequel Trilogy" was being used in fandom long before Disney
came along. So Disney did not coin that term. (I don't know who did
though.)

plus of course Disney's continual laziness in doing 'live-
action' remakes of all their animated movies.

Guilty!

Although for 'live action' read CGI animated... i.e. there were
no real Lions in "The Lion King" remake (etc.)

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The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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