• [OT] Church of England spending 100 million pounds on slaveryreparations

    From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Fri Jan 23 16:01:00 2026
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    The Church of England is planning to spend 100 millions pounds to make
    slavery reparations. They're also planning to ban certain flowers from
    certain church ceremonies (like funerals) because they're not "green
    enough".

    Jacob Rees-Mogg argues that this is insane and, as usual, makes a good
    case for his point of view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSefWzhL6HI [12 minutes]
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    Rhino

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  • From Py@noemailplease@aol.org to rec.arts.tv,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sat Jan 24 14:40:38 2026
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    Rhino wrote:

    The Church of England is planning to spend 100 millions pounds to make >slavery reparations. They're also planning to ban certain flowers from >certain church ceremonies (like funerals) because they're not "green >enough".

    Jacob Rees-Mogg argues that this is insane and, as usual, makes a good
    case for his point of view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSefWzhL6HI [12 minutes]



    God wants white people to own slaves. Especially white American
    Christians. It's great that religions don't pay taxes but you do!


    Southern slaveholders often used biblical passages to justify slavery.

    Those who defended slavery rose to the challenge set forth by the Abolitionists. The defenders of slavery included economics, history,
    religion, legality, social good, and even humanitarianism, to further their arguments.

    Defenders of slavery argued that the sudden end to the slave economy would have had a profound and killing economic impact in the South where reliance
    on slave labor was the foundation of their economy. The cotton economy
    would collapse. The tobacco crop would dry in the fields. Rice would cease being profitable.

    Defenders of slavery argued that if all the slaves were freed, there would
    be widespread unemployment and chaos. This would lead to uprisings,
    bloodshed, and anarchy. They pointed to the mob's "rule of terror" during
    the French Revolution and argued for the continuation of the status quo,
    which was providing for affluence and stability for the slaveholding class
    and for all free people who enjoyed the bounty of the slave society.
    The Negro's Place in Nature
    Some slaveholders believed that African Americans were biologically
    inferior to their masters. During the 1800s, this arguement was taken quite seriously, even in scientific circles.

    Defenders of slavery argued that slavery had existed throughout history and was the natural state of mankind. The Greeks had slaves, the Romans had slaves, and the English had slavery until very recently.

    Defenders of slavery noted that in the Bible, Abraham had slaves. They
    point to the Ten Commandments, noting that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, ... nor his manservant, nor his maidservant." In the New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master, and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus never
    spoke out against it.

    Defenders of slavery turned to the courts, who had ruled, with the Dred
    Scott Decision, that all blacks — not just slaves — had no legal standing
    as persons in our courts — they were property, and the Constitution
    protected slave-holders' rights to their property.

    Defenders of slavery argued that the institution was divine, and that it brought Christianity to the heathen from across the ocean. Slavery was, according to this argument, a good thing for the enslaved. John C. Calhoun said, "Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so
    improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually."

    Defenders of slavery argued that by comparison with the poor of Europe and
    the workers in the Northern states, that slaves were better cared for. They said that their owners would protect and assist them when they were sick
    and aged, unlike those who, once fired from their work, were left to fend helplessly for themselves.

    James Thornwell, a minister, wrote in 1860, "The parties in this conflict
    are not merely Abolitionists and slaveholders, they are Atheists,
    Socialists, Communists, Red Republicans, Jacobins on the one side and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other."



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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jan 24 18:48:21 2026
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    On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 16:01:00 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    The Church of England is planning to spend 100 millions pounds to make >slavery reparations. They're also planning to ban certain flowers from >certain church ceremonies (like funerals) because they're not "green >enough".

    Jacob Rees-Mogg argues that this is insane and, as usual, makes a good
    case for his point of view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSefWzhL6HI [12 minutes]

    Absurd - but then it was stuff like this that caused me to leave the
    Anglican Church of Canada.

    Rees-Mogg of course is a Roman Catholic so can be counted on to pull
    no punches...
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Sat Jan 24 22:42:09 2026
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    On 2026-01-24 9:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 16:01:00 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    The Church of England is planning to spend 100 millions pounds to make
    slavery reparations. They're also planning to ban certain flowers from
    certain church ceremonies (like funerals) because they're not "green
    enough".

    Jacob Rees-Mogg argues that this is insane and, as usual, makes a good
    case for his point of view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSefWzhL6HI [12 minutes]

    Absurd - but then it was stuff like this that caused me to leave the
    Anglican Church of Canada.

    Rees-Mogg of course is a Roman Catholic so can be counted on to pull
    no punches...

    If you watch the video, he makes it VERY clear that he means no
    criticism of their liturgy, just the political position they've take on reparations (and flowers). It's very strange to be someone from a
    country that has no state church - and living north of the US which
    feels even more strongly about the matter - for him to staunchly defend
    the idea of a state church.
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    Rhino
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