A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect the >driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to >speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of it >all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect >> the
driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to
speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >> hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of it >> all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group.
Much more so than him just being conservative.
Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they
suspect the driver is conservative, and they become so violent that
the driver has to speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >>hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of it >>all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done >something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group. Much more so than him just being conservative. I
don't know if he said something or did something but I'm certain he
did something that led to the group hunting him down.
Now whether it was justified or not is entirely unknown because we
don't know what led to this confrontation.
. . .
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in >Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side >gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
. . .--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors, or worse, just
so Greg Bovino can get his video footage.
On Jan 28, 2026 at 12:40:53 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect >>> the
driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to >>> speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >>> hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of it
all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done
something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group.
Yes, it turns out he used his 1st Amendment right to say conservative things. >That's all it takes to have a mob surround your car and try and drag you out >by the feet in 2026 Minneapolis. And even though it's documented on video, you >won't see a word about it on CNN or BSNBC or any of the broadcast networks. >They'll hold requiems for a nutbag who died trying to run over a cop, but >shrieking lunatics surrounding cars in street, trying to drag out the >occupants and do who knows what to them? Not a peep.
It's too bad none of them were run over when the car sped away.
Much more so than him just being conservative.
Why would you say that?
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in >Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side >gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
They genuinely believe they can just do whatever they want, and if they engage >in enough moral outrage and petulant acts of violence, they can force their >desired outcome as a fait accompli.
The "Trump is very dangerous for our democracy" crowd equates literal mob >violence to democracy and have constructed a metaphysical fantasy in their >heads where they get to always be in charge regardless of election outcomes >because they're on the "right side of history" and their hearts are with the >angels or something.
The Left always denies legitimacy to any actual exercise of power on the >right. Always. Sometimes this is on the path to civil war (Spain 1936; Finland >1918). Sometimes they succeed for a long time (modern Europe). Sometimes it's >right here on RAT where I actually once was able to get FPP to admit that he >believes certain powers of the presidency are only legitimate when wielded by >Democrats.
We are only seeing this bald-faced display of leftist arrogance now because >the supposed representative of the American Right, the Republican Party, for >decades has meekly agreed to never exercise real power whenever they win the >ability to wield it. For the first time, there's a right-leaning president in >office who isn't afraid to exercise the powers the Constitution gives him. We >see the Left increasingly turning to violence because a change in this status >quo is intolerable to them.
How can you share a country with these people? How can we possibly maintain >societal order with one side that refuses to accept the legitimacy of the >other even when it wins elections via the democracy they're constantly saying >needs to be saved?
We can't.
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect the >driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to >speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover?up of it >all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect the
driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to >>speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >>hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover?up of it >>all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done >something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group. Much more so than him just being conservative. I
don't know if he said something or did something but I'm certain he
did something that led to the group hunting him down.
Now whether it was justified or not is entirely unknown because we
don't know what led to this confrontation.
On Jan 28, 2026 at 12:40:53 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect >>> the
driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to >>> speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >>> hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover?up of it >>> all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done
something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group.
Yes, it turns out he used his 1st Amendment right to say conservative things. >That's all it takes to have a mob surround your car and try and drag you out >by the feet in 2026 Minneapolis. And even though it's documented on video, you >won't see a word about it on CNN or BSNBC or any of the broadcast networks. >They'll hold requiems for a nutbag who died trying to run over a cop, but >shrieking lunatics surrounding cars in street, trying to drag out the >occupants and do who knows what to them? Not a peep.
It's too bad none of them were run over when the car sped away.
Much more so than him just being conservative.
Why would you say that?
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in >Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side >gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
They genuinely believe they can just do whatever they want, and if they engage >in enough moral outrage and petulant acts of violence, they can force their >desired outcome as a fait accompli.
The "Trump is very dangerous for our democracy" crowd equates literal mob >violence to democracy and have constructed a metaphysical fantasy in their >heads where they get to always be in charge regardless of election outcomes >because they're on the "right side of history" and their hearts are with the >angels or something.
The Left always denies legitimacy to any actual exercise of power on the >right. Always. Sometimes this is on the path to civil war (Spain 1936; Finland >1918). Sometimes they succeed for a long time (modern Europe). Sometimes it's >right here on RAT where I actually once was able to get FPP to admit that he >believes certain powers of the presidency are only legitimate when wielded by >Democrats.
We are only seeing this bald-faced display of leftist arrogance now because >the supposed representative of the American Right, the Republican Party, for >decades has meekly agreed to never exercise real power whenever they win the >ability to wield it. For the first time, there's a right-leaning president in >office who isn't afraid to exercise the powers the Constitution gives him. We >see the Left increasingly turning to violence because a change in this status >quo is intolerable to them.
How can you share a country with these people? How can we possibly maintain >societal order with one side that refuses to accept the legitimacy of the >other even when it wins elections via the democracy they're constantly saying >needs to be saved?
We can't.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in >>Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side >>gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but >useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors, or worse, just
so Greg Bovino can get his video footage.
The three victims were shot because federal agents got trigger happy.
Period. Let's not blame indirect causes.
Gee. Tom Homan just suspended the two who shot and killed Alex Pretti. >Perhaps the killing was unjustified, if not criminal.--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
. . .
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in
Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side
gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors
The three victims were shot because federal agents got trigger happy.
Period. Let's not blame indirect causes.
Gee. Tom Homan just suspended the two who shot and killed Alex Pretti. Perhaps the killing was unjustified, if not criminal.
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 21:23:30 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jan 28, 2026 at 12:40:53 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect
the
driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to >>>> speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a
hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of it
all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done
something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group.
Yes, it turns out he used his 1st Amendment right to say conservative things.
That's all it takes to have a mob surround your car and try and drag you out >> by the feet in 2026 Minneapolis. And even though it's documented on video, >> you
won't see a word about it on CNN or BSNBC or any of the broadcast networks. >> They'll hold requiems for a nutbag who died trying to run over a cop, but
shrieking lunatics surrounding cars in street, trying to drag out the
occupants and do who knows what to them? Not a peep.
It's too bad none of them were run over when the car sped away.
Much more so than him just being conservative.
Why would you say that?
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in
Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side
gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
They are dead because the federal government didn't bother to do the necessary training to teach those agents how to properly manage
crowds.
The protestors had every right to protest as a
Constitutionally protected right to free speech.
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 20:05:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they suspect >> the
driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the driver has to
speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's a >> hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of it >> all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x720/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
I don't know what led them to go after the guy but he clearly had done something earlier that upset the group. They were saying "That's him!
That's him" which is what I expect when someone did something that
upset the group. Much more so than him just being conservative. I
don't know if he said something or did something but I'm certain he
did something that led to the group hunting him down.
Now whether it was justified or not is entirely unknown because we
don't know what led to this confrontation.
On Jan 28, 2026 at 2:26:46 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three >>>weeks in Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea
that the other side gets a say in how this country is governed, even
when they lose an election.
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but >>useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors
But they do get to tear gas violent insurrectionists. If all these people
did was stand on the sidewalk holding signs, beating their bongos, and >chanting, no one would be tear gassed. But they're not doing that. They're >assaulting the agents, throwing bricks and other dangerous objects at
them, squirting them with water guns filled with urine, blocking their >vehicles, trying to pull illegal alien arrestees out of their custody,
and trying to run them down with cars.
None. Of. That. Is. Protesting.
None. Of. It. Is. Protected. By. The. 1st Amendment.
And using tear gas on crowds of committing criminal acts like that is >precisely what tear gas is for.
I posted this earlier in the week but it bears repeating:
The three victims were shot because federal agents got trigger happy.
No. One person was shot because she was clearly trying to run down a cop.
Another was shot because he was an illegal alien under lawful arrest and >escaped, and when reprehended he (and his family members) surrounded the cop >and started beating him with deadly weapons.
The third shooting is the most iffy and if those cops are found to have acted >wrongly, they should go to prison for it. But bringing a loaded gun to a >protest where you intend ahead of time to get into physical confrontations >with police (Pretti was assaulting ICE agents just the week before his death >and kicking the taillights out of government vehicles so fighting with cops >was clearly on his to-do list) is a monumentally stupid thing to do.
Period. Let's not blame indirect causes.
Gee. Tom Homan just suspended the two who shot and killed Alex Pretti. >>Perhaps the killing was unjustified, if not criminal.
Every LEO is "suspended" after a shooting while the investigation takes place. >You don't shoot someone and then two hours later be back out on the street >chasing bad guys. This isn't an episode of BLUE BLOODS.
On Jan 28, 2026 at 2:26:46 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three weeks in
Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea that the other side
gets a say in how this country is governed, even when they lose an election.
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but
useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors
But they do get to tear gas violent insurrectionists. If all these people did >was stand on the sidewalk holding signs, beating their bongos, and chanting, >no one would be tear gassed. But they're not doing that. They're assaulting >the agents, throwing bricks and other dangerous objects at them, squirting >them with water guns filled with urine, blocking their vehicles, trying to >pull illegal alien arrestees out of their custody, and trying to run them down >with cars.
None. Of. That. Is. Protesting.
None. Of. It. Is. Protected. By. The. 1st Amendment.
And using tear gas on crowds of committing criminal acts like that is >precisely what tear gas is for.
I posted this earlier in the week but it bears repeating:
We're not looking at protests anymore. What we're seeing is a well-planned, >well-funded insurgency, built by people who've clearly studied the playbook >and have support from within the state and local governments.
Signal groups at 1,000-member cap per zone. Dedicated roles: mobile chasers, >plate checkers logging vehicle data into shared databases, 24/7 dispatch nodes >vectoring assets, SALUTE-style reporting (Size, Activity, Location, Unit, >Time, Equipment) on suspected federal vehicles. Daily chat rotations and timed >deletions to frustrate forensic recovery. Vetting processes for new joiners. >Mutual aid from sympathetic locals (teachers providing cover, possible local >PD tip-offs on license plate lookups). Home-base coordination points. Rapid >escalation from observation to physical obstruction-- or worse.
This isn't spontaneous outrage. This is C2 (command and control) with >redundancy, OPSEC hygiene, and task organization that would make a Teams >sergeant nod in recognition. Replace "ICE agents" with "occupying coalition >forces" and the structure maps almost 1:1 to the early-stage urban cells >hunted by American special forces in the mid-2000s.
The most sobering part? It's domestic. Funded, trained (somewhere), and >directed by people who live in the same country whose law enforcement they're >trying to paralyze. When your own citizens build and operate this level of >parallel intelligence and rapid-response network against federal officers-- >complete with doxxing, vehicle pursuits, and harassment that's already turned >lethal-- you're no longer dealing with civil disobedience. You're facing a >distributed resistance that's learned the lessons of successful insurgencies: >stay below the kinetic threshold most of the time, force over-reaction when >possible, maintain popular support through narrative, and never present a >single center of gravity.
The three victims were shot because federal agents got trigger happy.
No. One person was shot because she was clearly trying to run down a cop.
Another was shot because he was an illegal alien under lawful arrest and >escaped, and when reprehended he (and his family members) surrounded the cop >and started beating him with deadly weapons.
The third shooting is the most iffy and if those cops are found to have acted >wrongly, they should go to prison for it. But bringing a loaded gun to a >protest where you intend ahead of time to get into physical confrontations >with police (Pretti was assaulting ICE agents just the week before his death >and kicking the taillights out of government vehicles so fighting with cops >was clearly on his to-do list) is a monumentally stupid thing to do.
Period. Let's not blame indirect causes.
Gee. Tom Homan just suspended the two who shot and killed Alex Pretti.
Perhaps the killing was unjustified, if not criminal.
Every LEO is "suspended" after a shooting while the investigation takes place. >You don't shoot someone and then two hours later be back out on the street >chasing bad guys. This isn't an episode of BLUE BLOODS.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 2026 at 2:26:46 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three >>>>weeks in Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea
that the other side gets a say in how this country is governed, even >>>>when they lose an election.
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but >>>useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors
But they do get to tear gas violent insurrectionists. If all these people >>did was stand on the sidewalk holding signs, beating their bongos, and >>chanting, no one would be tear gassed. But they're not doing that. They're >>assaulting the agents, throwing bricks and other dangerous objects at
them, squirting them with water guns filled with urine, blocking their >>vehicles, trying to pull illegal alien arrestees out of their custody,
and trying to run them down with cars.
None. Of. That. Is. Protesting.
I'm not disagreeing with your examples. On the other hand, ICE has no >business creating these ridiculous situations for a show of force. What
does any of that have to do with capturing illegal aliens?
ICE has no business doing crowd control. They aren't trained in these >techniques. No real cop would behave like this, go to tear gas and stun >grenades first. But then, no real cops are used to create scenarios for >attracting protestors.
Local cops, trying to keep the protestors at bay, have enjoyed the same >attention from tear gas.
ICE is violating constitutional right after constitutional right. They >interdict anyone based on appearance and accent, and this includes
American citizens. Americans are not required to carry citizenship
papers with them; driver's license isn't a citizenship document, This
isn't fucking USSR or China.
I'll point out the obvious, that when Tom Homan shut down the southern
border to illegal crossings, there were no widespread big city protests.
The protests are in response to absurd, heavy handed show of force
tactics being used in cities. Americans don't want their rights violated
and they don't want federal agents uselessly parading around cities.
None. Of. It. Is. Protected. By. The. 1st Amendment.
And using tear gas on crowds of committing criminal acts like that is >>precisely what tear gas is for.
Tear gas has been used on individuals and very small groups, not just
crowds, and people in the crowds are generally not committing crimes.
I posted this earlier in the week but it bears repeating:
I read it. I haven't posted a followup yet.
The three victims were shot because federal agents got trigger happy.
No. One person was shot because she was clearly trying to run down a cop.
I don't agree, and the idea that a dead driver will bring the vehicle to
a complete stop means that the cop who shot Good dead was a moron. He
was able to step out of the vehicle's path which indicates he was never
in danger. And since when would a properly trained cop attempt to
intercept a vehicle with his own body?
A leftist mob swarms a random car in Minneapolis just because they
suspect the driver is conservative, and they become so violent that the >driver has to speed away in fear.
Literally no reason... just instant violence. This isn't a protest, it's
a hunting party.
And the legacy corporate media shamelessly does an absolute cover‑up of
it all.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2013609805424832512/vid/avc1/1228x72 >0/_aoRokY1NhWCuATW.mp4
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 04:14:11 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 2026 at 2:26:46 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Two people are dead and a third has been injured over the last three >>>>>weeks in Minneapolis alone because leftists cannot accept the idea >>>>>that the other side gets a say in how this country is governed, even >>>>>when they lose an election.
I'm calling bullshit. The immigration enforcement has been anything but >>>>useful. Federal agents don't get to tear gas protestors
But they do get to tear gas violent insurrectionists. If all these people >>>did was stand on the sidewalk holding signs, beating their bongos, and >>>chanting, no one would be tear gassed. But they're not doing that. They're >>>assaulting the agents, throwing bricks and other dangerous objects at >>>them, squirting them with water guns filled with urine, blocking their >>>vehicles, trying to pull illegal alien arrestees out of their custody, >>>and trying to run them down with cars.
None. Of. That. Is. Protesting.
I'm not disagreeing with your examples. On the other hand, ICE has no >>business creating these ridiculous situations for a show of force. What >>does any of that have to do with capturing illegal aliens?
The show of force has become necessary because of the violence
directed at them.
ICE has no business doing crowd control. They aren't trained in these >>techniques. No real cop would behave like this, go to tear gas and stun >>grenades first. But then, no real cops are used to create scenarios for >>attracting protestors.
If only local officials would do the crowd control...
Local cops, trying to keep the protestors at bay, have enjoyed the same >>attention from tear gas.
Citation required for context.
ICE is violating constitutional right after constitutional right. They >>interdict anyone based on appearance and accent, and this includes
American citizens. Americans are not required to carry citizenship
papers with them; driver's license isn't a citizenship document, This
isn't fucking USSR or China.
You're making some serious claims here. Show us your evidence from
their orders that says this. Note: claims from the left and the
media don't count.
I'll point out the obvious, that when Tom Homan shut down the southern >>border to illegal crossings, there were no widespread big city protests. >>The protests are in response to absurd, heavy handed show of force
tactics being used in cities. Americans don't want their rights violated >>and they don't want federal agents uselessly parading around cities.
What rights are being violated?
None. Of. It. Is. Protected. By. The. 1st Amendment.
And using tear gas on crowds of committing criminal acts like that is >>>precisely what tear gas is for.
Tear gas has been used on individuals and very small groups, not just >>crowds, and people in the crowds are generally not committing crimes.
Another sweeping claim.
I posted this earlier in the week but it bears repeating:
I read it. I haven't posted a followup yet.
The three victims were shot because federal agents got trigger happy.
No. One person was shot because she was clearly trying to run down a cop.
I don't agree, and the idea that a dead driver will bring the vehicle to
a complete stop means that the cop who shot Good dead was a moron. He
was able to step out of the vehicle's path which indicates he was never
in danger. And since when would a properly trained cop attempt to
intercept a vehicle with his own body?
Another armchair quarterbacker. You do his job and stand there and
let's see what your reaction is.
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