It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her preening performance at the award podium.
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen from the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she return
that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the moral
high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it. Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will she turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help. I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help house literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land", right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her preening performance at the award podium.
Verily, in article <10lr0qi$u9vm$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country >> who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >> preening performance at the award podium.Do you think entertainers are really worth that much effort?
Only the very young take entertainers' views seriously
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen from >the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she return >that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the moral >high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it. >Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will she >turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen >property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an >attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help. >I'd even do it for free.
On 2026-02-02 20:18:26 +0000, BTR1701 said:
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >> claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen from
the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she return
that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the moral
high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it.
Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will she
turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen >> property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an
attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help. >> I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help house
literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live >> with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land", >> right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken >> his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country >> who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her
preening performance at the award podium.
At least California and Minnesota are making amends with new immigrants
with sanctuary cities, now Republicans want to ban that across the
nation. Rationalize that position for us especially in context with >Republicans' long held "states rights" stance which seems to have >disappeared under Trump.
On 2026-02-02 20:18:26 +0000, BTR1701 said:
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >> claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen
from
the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she
return
that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the
moral
high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it.
Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will >> she
turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen >> property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an
attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help.
I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help
house
literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live >> with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land",
right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken >> his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country >> who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >> preening performance at the award podium.
At least California and Minnesota are making amends with new immigrants
with sanctuary cities, now Republicans want to ban that across the
nation.
Rationalize that position for us especially in context with
Republicans' long held "states rights" stance which seems to have disappeared under Trump.
Only the very young take entertainers' views seriously
Or people named Kamala Harris, who spent over a billion dollars gathering celebrities to tell America how wonderful she is only to have no one give a damn.
At least California and Minnesota are making amends with new immigrants
with sanctuary cities, now Republicans want to ban that across the
nation. Rationalize that position for us especially in context with >Republicans' long held "states rights" stance which seems to have >disappeared under Trump.
Verily, in article <10lr2jr$u9vm$3@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com >deliver unto us this message:
Or people named Kamala Harris, who spent over a billion dollars gathering
celebrities to tell America how wonderful she is only to have no one give >> a damn.
She spent that much on celebrity endorsements? Dang. It didn't even
work.
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen from the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she return
that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the moral
high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it. Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will she turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help. I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help house literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land", right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her preening performance at the award podium.
On 2/2/2026 3:18 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >> claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen
from
the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she
return
that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the
moral
high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it.
Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will >> she
turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen >> property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an
attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help.
I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help
house
literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live >> with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land",
right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken >> his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country >> who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >> preening performance at the award podium.
Afaics, all land is "stolen land".
And if we ever address such questions openly, it might be the beginning of, say, a meaningful morality.
Of course it is. Col. Nelson Miles addressed this quite eloquently with Sitting Bull when they met at Wounded Knee under flag of truce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN90wZRnyM0
On Feb 2, 2026 at 12:44:55 PM PST, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-02 20:18:26 +0000, BTR1701 said:
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >>> claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen >>> from the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she
return that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the
moral high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it.
Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will >>> she turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen
property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an >>> attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help.
I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help
house literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all
in to live
with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land",
right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken >>> his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country >>> who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >>> preening performance at the award podium.
At least California and Minnesota are making amends with new immigrants
with sanctuary cities, now Republicans want to ban that across the
nation.
Excellent! About time.
And how does it "make amends" to (allegedly) steal land from some people and then shield other people from breaking the law as a way of compensating for it?
I mean, if the government stole my car and then said "we feel bad about having
done that" so they had the cops protect a rapist that has nothing to do with me from being prosecuted as a way of making amends to me for stealing my car, I wouldn't feel any better about having lost my car. That wouldn't actually be
"amends" from my perspective.
Rationalize that position for us especially in context with
Republicans' long held "states rights" stance which seems to have
disappeared under Trump.
Easy. Per the Constitution, immigration is entirely a matter of federal jurisdiction. There is no "state's rights" argument with regard to immigration.
But as a practical matter, if you ACTUALLY care about the illegals, then refusing to cooperate with ICE and handing criminals over at the jailhouse door when they're released is the last thing you'd do.
Because if you don't
hand them over to ICE and you release them back into the community, then ICE has to go after them in the neighborhoods and at job sites. And when ICE turns
up to those places looking for the criminal you refused to hand over to them at the jail, they're likely to find a lot *more* illegals present and now they're gonna get deported also.
Bottom line, if you stop with the 'sanctuary' nonsense and hand over an illegal in the jail, then one illegal gets deported. If you refuse to cooperate and ICE has to hunt him down in the community, dozens get deported. Which way is better for the "undocumented community"?
And most of the time, the "community" itself would prefer the state hand that burglar or drug dealer or rapist over to ICE. They don't want people like that
living amongst them any more than you or I would. But no, Democrats have an Agenda to pursue and if that means dumping convicted rapists back into immigrant communities to own Trump, that's what they're gonna do. And if a few
innocent people get raped and murdered because of it, well... you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette, amirite?
(Sorry if that's to 'verbose' for you, super70s. I know how much you hate big words and sentences and all.)
On 2026-02-02 21:07:06 +0000, BTR1701 said:
On Feb 2, 2026 at 12:44:55 PM PST, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> >> wrote:
On 2026-02-02 20:18:26 +0000, BTR1701 said:
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish
claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen >>>> from the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she
return that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she >>>> has the
moral high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all >>>> knew it.
Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will >>>> she turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with >>>> stolen
property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an >>>> attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help.
I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help >>>> house literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all >>>> in to live
with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land",
right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken
his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country
who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >>>> preening performance at the award podium.
At least California and Minnesota are making amends with new immigrants >>> with sanctuary cities, now Republicans want to ban that across the
nation.
Excellent! About time.
So you have no more concern about the welfare of immigrants than what
you're accusing Billie Eilish of.
Rationalize that position for us especially in context with
Republicans' long held "states rights" stance which seems to have
disappeared under Trump.
Easy. Per the Constitution, immigration is entirely a matter of federal
jurisdiction. There is no "state's rights" argument with regard to
immigration.
I'm aware of what the Supreme Court has ruled
Legal precedent has long held that the federal government cannot
require states and localities to carry out its immigration policy
which the current regime routinely ignores by trying to extort them
with the withholding of federal funds.
But as a practical matter, if you ACTUALLY care about the illegals, then
refusing to cooperate with ICE and handing criminals over at the jailhouse >> door when they're released is the last thing you'd do.
The Trump regime isn't only rounding up "criminals," all you need to do
is have dark skin or speak with an accent.
Because if you don't
hand them over to ICE and you release them back into the community, then ICE
has to go after them in the neighborhoods and at job sites. And when ICE
turns
up to those places looking for the criminal you refused to hand over to them
at the jail, they're likely to find a lot *more* illegals present and now >> they're gonna get deported also.
Bottom line, if you stop with the 'sanctuary' nonsense and hand over an
illegal in the jail, then one illegal gets deported. If you refuse to
cooperate and ICE has to hunt him down in the community, dozens get
deported.
Which way is better for the "undocumented community"?
And most of the time, the "community" itself would prefer the state hand
that
burglar or drug dealer or rapist over to ICE. They don't want people like >> that
living amongst them any more than you or I would. But no, Democrats have an >> Agenda to pursue and if that means dumping convicted rapists back into
immigrant communities to own Trump, that's what they're gonna do. And if a >> few
innocent people get raped and murdered because of it, well... you have to >> break a few eggs to make an omelette, amirite?
(Sorry if that's to 'verbose' for you, super70s. I know how much you hate >> big
words and sentences and all.)
Okay from now on I'll describe your "incoherent rambling
full of opinionated fallacies"
On Feb 2, 2026 at 3:17:22 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 2/2/2026 3:18 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >>> claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen >>> from
the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she >>> return
that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the >>> moral
high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it. >>> Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will >>> she
turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen >>> property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an >>> attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help.
I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help >>> house
literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live >>> with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land",
right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken
his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country
who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >>> preening performance at the award podium.
Afaics, all land is "stolen land".
Of course it is. Col. Nelson Miles addressed this quite eloquently with >Sitting Bull when they met at Wounded Knee under flag of truce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN90wZRnyM0
And if we ever address such questions openly, it might be the beginning of, >> say, a meaningful morality.
Or and endless morass of accusations and counter-accusations going back >millennia.
During her acceptance speech at last night's Grammys, singer Billie Eilish >claimed that America is land stolen from "native peoples".
Billie Eilish's $14-million mansion sits on several acres of land stolen from >the Tongva peoples who were indigenous to Southern California. Will she return >that land and the home that sits on it to the tribe? I mean, she has the moral >high ground, after all. She's virtuous and she made sure we all knew it. >Signaled it, as it were.
So now that it's incontrovertible that she knows her land is stolen, will she >turn it over to the Tongva Tribe? I mean, that's what one does with stolen >property, right? You return it to its rightful owner. If Billie needs an >attorney to help her with the land transfer paperwork, I'd be happy to help. >I'd even do it for free.
In the alternative, Billie could use that land and that mansion to help house >literally hundreds of illegal aliens. She could invite them all in to live >with her, since it's all stolen land and "no one is illegal on stolen land", >right Billie?
In the alternative, she could have just listened to Ricky Gervais and taken >his sage advice:
https://youtu.be/fgson2Q3nog?t=419
It sure would be cool if we had an actual functioning media in this country >who would have asked Billie Eilish some of these hard questions after her >preening performance at the award podium.
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