No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
There's a bakery in town that has its kitchen out in the open. I
don't know what they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be
around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 05:12:40 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
There's a bakery in town that has its kitchen out in the open. I
don't know what they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be
around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
No shoyu joint...A1....meh...
Yesterday I had French toast with a hard sugar glaze - a little butter in a fry
pan with sugar sprinkled on it. The French toast was laid on it until the sugar
was done. I suppose it would be easier to sprinkle some sugar on the toast and
apply a propane torch to it. Lunch was a Korean plate lunch. It's good eats.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1bR9GatBCYM1dLP8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/w9N7u5ik4M2Pgxth9
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
There's a bakery in town that has its kitchen out in the open. I don't know what
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've had it in this house seven years now. I like it. Perhaps you are just a slob with no ventilation over the stove.
Sitting in the living room, the counter blocks much of the view so you
don't see stove, sink, countertops. I can see straight trough to the
lanai and outside for a bright cheery house.
On 1/25/2026 11:49 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've had it in this house seven years now. I like it. Perhaps you
are just a slob with no ventilation over the stove.
Sitting in the living room, the counter blocks much of the view so you
don't see stove, sink, countertops. I can see straight trough to the
lanai and outside for a bright cheery house.
To each their own. I don't care for open concept.
I know a couple who just bought their "forever home". They're doing a complete renovation so the kitchen will be open to the living area. I
find that interesting because his wife does a lot of baking and cooks
things that require the use of mixers, etc. The house they live in now isn't open concept yet he complains about all the noise coming from the kitchen when he's trying to watch TV in the living room. It won't be
any better when it's one big open space.
Jill
The OP also says the kitchen is not for social gathering. Over the
years, I've know many people that would gather around the kitchen table
and play cards, have coffee or drinks.
to try the much-vaunted Korean fried chicken because they alwaysI hear you and am getting sick of those sweet glazes too. A local Korean chicken spot, Chicken B, makes a promising "double crisp" fried whole chicken. I already tried one of their whole flavored chickens. It was hacked to haphazard pieces and glazed with a sweet garlic sauce. The double crisp, however, is apparrently unglazed. does that mean it's bland? Is any Korean food
insist on glazing it with something sweet (at least in local
restaurants).
On 1/26/2026 8:12 AM, jmquown wrote:K2 - "Occasional bladder leakge or urgency" on the flat panel?
On 1/25/2026 11:49 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your
kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've had it in this house seven years now. I like it. Perhaps
you are just a slob with no ventilation over the stove.
Sitting in the living room, the counter blocks much of the view so
you don't see stove, sink, countertops. I can see straight trough
to the lanai and outside for a bright cheery house.
To each their own. I don't care for open concept.
I know a couple who just bought their "forever home". They're
doing a complete renovation so the kitchen will be open to the
living area. I find that interesting because his wife does a lot
of baking and cooks things that require the use of mixers, etc.
The house they live in now isn't open concept yet he complains
about all the noise coming from the kitchen when he's trying to
watch TV in the living room. It won't be any better when it's one
big open space.
Jill
We all have different wants and needs. I don't see a reason to put
up a wall and close this off. It would make the house feel smaller.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/gXzVzYg
The OP also says the kitchen is not for social gathering. Over the
years, I've know many people that would gather around the kitchen
table and play cards, have coffee or drinks.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've never been able to bring myselfThe other night, we got a whole chicken from our local Korean chicken place. It
to try the much-vaunted Korean fried chicken because they always
insist on glazing it with something sweet (at least in local
restaurants).
Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> posted:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 05:12:40 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your
kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction
costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
There's a bakery in town that has its kitchen out in the open. I
don't know what they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be
around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
No shoyu joint...A1....meh...
The shoyu is behind the sugar. You wouldn't normally see A1 at the
table in Hawaii. Shoyu, ketchup, Tabasco, salt, pepper, and sugar, is
the standard condiment set at tables in Hawaii. The strange thing
about that joint is that there's only 12 seats at that counter.
That's the only seats. Being able to grab two open seats makes you a
very happy couple. You'll always end up talking to the people you're
sitting next to. We'll have to go there soon. Maybe I'll even have a
steak.
Yesterday I had French toast with a hard sugar glaze - a little
butter in a fry pan with sugar sprinkled on it. The French toast was
laid on it until the sugar was done. I suppose it would be easier to
sprinkle some sugar on the toast and apply a propane torch to it.
Lunch was a Korean plate lunch. It's good eats.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1bR9GatBCYM1dLP8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/w9N7u5ik4M2Pgxth9
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your
kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
There's a bakery in town that has its kitchen out in the open. I
don't know what they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be
around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
Jill
On 1/25/2026 9:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
Every guest loves the smell of my cooking.
If you have a vented range hood, which should be required in any new construction even if the house is all electric, you don't have "kitchen
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
oil residue."
In article <10l7goq$2e117$4@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280@invalid.com writes:
The other night, we got a whole chicken from our local Korean chicken place. It
I've never been able to bring myself
to try the much-vaunted Korean fried chicken because they always
insist on glazing it with something sweet (at least in local
restaurants).
was a whole fried, glazed chicken, hacked to random pieces, which brings up something my fellow-blind partner taught me--the term "food mechanics". It basically encompasses everything involved with eating for blindies: grabability, neatness, disposability, etc. Food mechanics explains why I insist
that shrimp be shelled, why I don't tuck into lobsters or crabs without their meat being safely extracted, and why glazed Korean fried chicken is so undesirable. If I don't touch it in an effort to guide it to my mouth, too much
glaze gets on my face. But, if I do, too much glaze gets on my fingers.
On 1/25/2026 9:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.Every guest loves the smell of my cooking.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.If you have a vented range hood, which should be required in any new construction even if the house is all electric, you don't have
"kitchen oil residue."
On 1/26/2026 11:38 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
On 1/25/2026 9:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell yourEvery guest loves the smell of my cooking.
kitchen.
If you have a vented range hood, which should be required in any
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
new construction even if the house is all electric, you don't have
"kitchen oil residue."
Surprising not, at least here. It came with a hood under the OTR
microwave, but we had to pay $200 extra to have it vented outside.
I know a couple [...] he complains about all the noise
coming from the kitchen when he's trying to watch TV
On 2026-01-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
The OP also says the kitchen is not for social gathering. Over the
years, I've know many people that would gather around the kitchen table
and play cards, have coffee or drinks.
It's not a party unless the kitchen is full of people.
My living room, dining room, and kitchen form an L. The dining
room is at the corner of the L. The openings between each room
are 5 or 6 feet wide. So, not completely closed off, but not
completely open, either.
In article <10l7goq$2e117$4@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280@invalid.com writes:
I've never been able to bring myselfI hear you and am getting sick of those sweet glazes too. A local Korean chicken spot, Chicken B, makes a promising "double crisp" fried whole chicken.
to try the much-vaunted Korean fried chicken because they always
insist on glazing it with something sweet (at least in local
restaurants).
I already tried one of their whole flavored chickens. It was hacked to haphazard pieces and glazed with a sweet garlic sauce. The double crisp, however, is apparrently unglazed. does that mean it's bland? Is any Korean food
really bland?
On 2026-01-26, jmquown wrote:
I know a couple [...] he complains about all the noise
coming from the kitchen when he's trying to watch TV
She should pre-emptively purchase a set of noise-cancelling
headphones and toss it to him (from the 'open' kitchen) the
next time this happens.
I love the sound (& smells) of my wife cooking. It means I
can keep watching TV and perform other manly predilections.
Korean food is still on my bucket list but I don' know about the
sweetness.
Heck I remember back in the late 1960s being befuddled by
honey served with fried chicken, and over the past few years I have
heard more and more about waffles and fried chicken.
In article <10l7goq$2e117$4@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280@invalid.com writes:
The other night, we got a whole chicken from our local Korean chicken place. It
I've never been able to bring myself
to try the much-vaunted Korean fried chicken because they always
insist on glazing it with something sweet (at least in local
restaurants).
was a whole fried, glazed chicken, hacked to random pieces, which brings up something my fellow-blind partner taught me--the term "food mechanics". It basically encompasses everything involved with eating for blindies: grabability, neatness, disposability, etc. Food mechanics explains why I insist
that shrimp be shelled, why I don't tuck into lobsters or crabs without their
meat being safely extracted
On 2026-01-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Yesterday I had French toast with a hard sugar glaze - a little butter in a fry
pan with sugar sprinkled on it. The French toast was laid on it until the sugar
was done. I suppose it would be easier to sprinkle some sugar on the toast and
apply a propane torch to it. Lunch was a Korean plate lunch. It's good eats.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1bR9GatBCYM1dLP8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/w9N7u5ik4M2Pgxth9
Nice looking plate lunch. I've never been able to bring myself
to try the much-vaunted Korean fried chicken because they always
insist on glazing it with something sweet (at least in local
restaurants).
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
We all have different wants and needs. I don't see a reason to put up a wall and close this off. It would make the house feel smaller.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/gXzVzYg
The OP also says the kitchen is not for social gathering. Over the
years, I've know many people that would gather around the kitchen table
and play cards, have coffee or drinks.
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Korean food is still on my bucket list but I don' know about the
sweetness. Heck I remember back in the late 1960s being befuddled by
honey served with fried chicken, and over the past few years I have
heard more and more about waffles and fried chicken. A number of years
ago my son went to Montreal and went by way of NY state and planned to
stop at Saratoga Springs where he planned to try fried chicken waffles
at a place that was supposed to have the best. I offered my opinion and
when he got back he said he wished he had listened to me. Both were good
but they do not go well together.
About a year ago we had supper in an Indian restaurant and I order their >crispy fried cauliflower. It could have been good. I liked the spice,Sounds like you got exposed to the evil Manchurian. Next time, go for gobi pakora.
but the crispiness was from a sickening sweet sauce it had been tossed
in. No thanks.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for
long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that
stainless door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open
kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with
people preparing food behind the counter. The mystery is how you're
not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
honey served with fried chicken, and over the past few years I haveSavory waffles, fried chicken, and gravy sounds good.
heard more and more about waffles and fried chicken.
Add anything sweet, and they lost me.
In article <10l8erc$2p93e$2@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280@invalid.com
writes:
Lobster in the shell is like picking food out of a drawer full of
knives.
Muscles, oysters and clams in shells aren't much better for us.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for
long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg >>>>
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that
stainless door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open
kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with
people preparing food behind the counter. The mystery is how you're
not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you
posted. The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter.
No sign of the kitchen.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House or
similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If
you sit at the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
Jill
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you posted.
The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter. No sign of
the kitchen.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House or similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If you sit at
the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
Jill
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you posted.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter. No sign of
the kitchen.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House or similar >diners in the US.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 18:07:32 -0500
jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with
people preparing food behind the counter. The mystery is how you're
not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
posted. The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter.
No sign of the kitchen.
Wrong.
The first link showed these ladies at the very extreme end.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House orOh stuff it up yer withered old piehole, crone.
similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If
you sit at the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
On 2026-01-26 5:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
It should not be too hard to crack the code. I was replaying to Jill and
the image linked in her post was an entirely different one.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for
long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg >>>>
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that
stainless door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open
kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter
with people preparing food behind the counter. The mystery is how
you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you
posted. The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter.
No sign of the kitchen.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House or
similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If
you sit at the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
Jill
The "so what?" is that your brain was unable to understand what was
going on in the photo. That is interesting. It tells me a lot about
you people.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/sQfrWvXUaVzZsRUy9
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you posted.
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that
door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing
food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter. No sign of
the kitchen.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House or similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If you sit at
the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:19:23 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 18:07:32 -0500
jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
On 1/26/2026 5:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
That is a totally different angle from the first image link you
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter
with people preparing food behind the counter. The mystery is
how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
posted. The first was just a bunch of people sitting at a counter.
No sign of the kitchen.
Wrong.
The first link showed these ladies at the very extreme end.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House orOh stuff it up yer withered old piehole, crone.
similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If
you sit at the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
Tsk. So conservative, yet such poor manners.
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:22:10 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:19:23 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
Wrong.
The first link showed these ladies at the very extreme end.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House orOh stuff it up yer withered old piehole, crone.
similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there. If
you sit at the counter you can watch them cook your food. So what?
Tsk. So conservative, yet such poor manners.
Fugoff Oztaraded troller, manners are for those that have EARNED their
usage.
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:31:22 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:22:10 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:19:23 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid>
wrote:
Wrong.
The first link showed these ladies at the very extreme end.
This "new" photo link looks very much like any Waffle House orOh stuff it up yer withered old piehole, crone.
similar diners in the US. Yes, they cook the food right there.
If you sit at the counter you can watch them cook your food.
So what?
Tsk. So conservative, yet such poor manners.
Fugoff Oztaraded troller, manners are for those that have EARNED
their usage.
Maybe you should tell your health care supervisor that reducing your
meds isn't working well. :)
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:56:59 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:31:22 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:22:10 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Tsk. So conservative, yet such poor manners.
Fugoff Oztaraded troller, manners are for those that have EARNED
their usage.
Maybe you should tell your health care supervisor that reducing your
meds isn't working well. :)
Maybe you should get your toxic narcissistic personality
disorder repaired by whatever qualifies as a head shrinker in
upsy-daisyland.
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 17:24:02 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:56:59 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:31:22 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid>
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:22:10 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Tsk. So conservative, yet such poor manners.
Fugoff Oztaraded troller, manners are for those that have EARNED
their usage.
Maybe you should tell your health care supervisor that reducing
your meds isn't working well. :)
Maybe you should get your toxic narcissistic personality
disorder repaired by whatever qualifies as a head shrinker in >upsy-daisyland.
Allow me to demonstrate your mental illness:
Have you ever been married?
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
On 2026-01-26 5:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that stainless
door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that
door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing
food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
It should not be too hard to crack the code. I was replaying to Jill and
the image linked in her post was an entirely different one.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
Ever since I was a young man, I've thought that it would be a good idea to remove
the wall between the kitchen and dining room in our family's home. It's a room
that's never been used to eat in. Mostly, we pass through it to get to the patio.
It's a stagnant room and I'd like to get in there and get to breathe and live again. That'll be a goal in the next few years.
On 1/26/2026 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2026-01-26 5:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
It should not be too hard to crack the code. I was replaying to Jill and
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of that
door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people preparing
food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
the image linked in her post was an entirely different one.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
Yeah, he posted links to two different images. Now he's back peddling.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
On 1/26/2026 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2026-01-26 5:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:
On 2026-01-26 8:00 a.m., jmquown wrote:
On 1/26/2026 12:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
they were thinking. Obviously, that joint won't be around for
long.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg >>>>>
I don't see an open kitchen in that link, David.
It looks like that open kitchen is on the other side of that
stainless door at the left side, sorta kinda not really an open
kitchen.
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people
preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
It should not be too hard to crack the code. I was replaying to
Jill and the image linked in her post was an entirely different one.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
Yeah, he posted links to two different images. Now he's back
peddling.
Jill
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 08:24:36 -0500, jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:
On 1/26/2026 6:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2026-01-26 5:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
It should not be too hard to crack the code. I was replaying to
Beats the heck out of me what you're seeing. On the other side of
that door is a
bakery. What you should be seeing is a counter with people
preparing food behind
the counter. The mystery is how you're not seeing this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3eYnLMfBsKVGbGYf7
Jill and the image linked in her post was an entirely different
one.
https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JZA0Mo5X1wAzecWhJxC7Mg/o.jpg
Yeah, he posted links to two different images. Now he's back
peddling.
How is posting 2 images of people preparing food back peddling? Are
you suffering from cognitive decline?
andy <andy@netcom.com> posted:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've always been a fan of a kitchen, with an eat-in area, and not necessarily a bar as the eating area, and den combination.
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large gatherings and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
On 2026-01-27, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
I've always been a fan of a kitchen, with an eat-in area, and not necessarily
a bar as the eating area, and den combination.
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large gatherings and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
What is this, the 1950s? The men and women usually congregate together
at parties up here in DamnYankeeLand.
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
What is this, the 1950s? The men and women usually congregate together
at parties up here in DamnYankeeLand.
We all eat together, but once the meal is over, the men seem to drift
toward a TV. Invariably, there's some sport on and they're more
interested in that than conversing with everyone. I guess they figured
they got all their gabbing out at the table, and I don't want to compete
with a TV to talk.
On 2026-01-27, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
I've always been a fan of a kitchen, with an eat-in area, and not necessarily
a bar as the eating area, and den combination.
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large gatherings >> and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
What is this, the 1950s? The men and women usually congregate together
at parties up here in DamnYankeeLand.
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 17:24:02 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:56:59 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 16:31:22 -0700, Tal Yessen <flwp@in.valid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:22:10 +1100
Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Tsk. So conservative, yet such poor manners.
Fugoff Oztaraded troller, manners are for those that have EARNED
their usage.
Maybe you should tell your health care supervisor that reducing your
meds isn't working well. :)
Maybe you should get your toxic narcissistic personality
disorder repaired by whatever qualifies as a head shrinker in >>upsy-daisyland.
Allow me to demonstrate your mental illness:
Have you ever been married?
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-01-27, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
I've always been a fan of a kitchen, with an eat-in area, and not necessarily
a bar as the eating area, and den combination.
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large gatherings >> > and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
What is this, the 1950s? The men and women usually congregate together
at parties up here in DamnYankeeLand.
We all eat together, but once the meal is over, the men seem to drift
toward a TV. Invariably, there's some sport on and they're more
interested in that than conversing with everyone. I guess they figured
they got all their gabbing out at the table, and I don't want to compete
with a TV to talk.
gatheringsI'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large
and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
On 2026-01-27, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
On 2026-01-27, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
I've always been a fan of a kitchen, with an eat-in area, and
not necessarily a bar as the eating area, and den combination.
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large
gatherings and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring
usually on some sporting event. You can't have a conversation
with your fellow diners with the TV going at full blast, the
womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
What is this, the 1950s? The men and women usually congregate
together at parties up here in DamnYankeeLand.
We all eat together, but once the meal is over, the men seem to
drift toward a TV. Invariably, there's some sport on and they're
more interested in that than conversing with everyone. I guess
they figured they got all their gabbing out at the table, and I
don't want to compete with a TV to talk.
I guess the men I know aren't rude enough to turn on the TV during
a party.
In article <1769554384-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net says...
gatheringsI'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large
and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
Are the relegated womenfolk washing the dishes? Barefoot, no
doubt.
In article <1769554384-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net says...
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large gatherings
and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
Are the relegated womenfolk washing the dishes? Barefoot, no
doubt.
Janet UK
On 2026-01-28 9:08 a.m., Janet Baraclough wrote:
In article <1769554384-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.netand pregnant!
says...
gatheringsI'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large
and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on
some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with >>>>> the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the
kitchen table.
Are the relegated womenfolk washing the dishes? Barefoot, no
doubt.
Janet Baraclough <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <1769554384-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
says...
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large
gatherings
and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
Are the relegated womenfolk washing the dishes? Barefoot, no
doubt.
Janet UK
We solved that problem *years* ago by using disposable plates and
large drink glasses. It works wonders when you have a crowd of around
20 eating. Desserts call for smaller disposable plates. Who wants to
mess with washing dishes, even with a dishwasher with that many stuffing their faces?
Another thing that's always a hit for large groups is lasagna, or any
other pasta with red sauce.
On 1/28/2026 11:08 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:
Janet Baraclough <nobody@home.com> posted:
In article <1769554384-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
says...
I'd still want a formal living room besides the den. Any large
gatherings
and the men congregate in the den with the TV blaring usually on some sporting
event. You can't have a conversation with your fellow diners with the TV going
at full blast, the womenfolk are relegated to sitting around the kitchen table.
Are the relegated womenfolk washing the dishes? Barefoot, no
doubt.
Janet UK
We solved that problem *years* ago by using disposable plates and
large drink glasses. It works wonders when you have a crowd of around
20 eating. Desserts call for smaller disposable plates. Who wants to
mess with washing dishes, even with a dishwasher with that many stuffing their faces?
On TG, we'd planned for more than twenty. In the end, a few people cancelled, so it was 18 or 19. We ate on real plates and used stainless flatware. So, the answer to, "Who wants to..." is, me.
Another thing that's always a hit for large groups is lasagna, or any
other pasta with red sauce.
TG will always be a properly roasted turkey, and Easter probably a
pricey beef roast (my m-i-l pays for it), but I'm thinking that for at
least one of the other meals, Costco rotisserie chicken.
Each family is different and does things how they like to do it. There
is no right or wrong way, just what each family finds convenient. TV or
no TV, sports games or no sports games being televised, it's what each >family prefers.
You want to play board or card games or sit around talk, have at it.
You want to spend the afternoon tromping through the woods. Great, dress >appropriately.
You want to play volleyball or touch football, have fun!
On 1/28/2026 1:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
TG will always be a properly roasted turkey, and Easter probably a
pricey beef roast (my m-i-l pays for it), but I'm thinking that for at
least one of the other meals, Costco rotisserie chicken.
TG is turkey. Christmas is either turkey or roast beef
Easter is ham. Not negotiable.
On 1/28/2026 1:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
TG will always be a properly roasted turkey, and Easter probably a
pricey beef roast (my m-i-l pays for it), but I'm thinking that for at least one of the other meals, Costco rotisserie chicken.
TG is turkey. Christmas is either turkey or roast beef
Easter is ham. Not negotiable.
On 1/28/2026 1:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
TG will always be a properly roasted turkey, and Easter probably a
pricey beef roast (my m-i-l pays for it), but I'm thinking that for at
least one of the other meals, Costco rotisserie chicken.
TG is turkey. Christmas is either turkey or roast beef
Easter is ham. Not negotiable.
We all have different wants and needs. I don't see a reason to put up a wall and close this off. It would make the house feel smaller.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/gXzVzYg
The OP also says the kitchen is not for social gathering. Over the
years, I've know many people that would gather around the kitchen table
and play cards, have coffee or drinks.
On 2026-01-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
We all have different wants and needs. I don't see a reason to put up a
wall and close this off. It would make the house feel smaller.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/gXzVzYg
The OP also says the kitchen is not for social gathering. Over the
years, I've know many people that would gather around the kitchen table
and play cards, have coffee or drinks.
Caution Ed! Sandhill cranes are notorious for sneaking into one's house
at night and pecking their eyes out. The Seminole expression for them, translated from original Seminole, is "nighttime eye-peckers".
They are not to be confused with other "peckers".
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've had it in this house seven years now. I like it. Perhaps you are just a slob with no ventilation over the stove.
On 1/25/2026 10:49 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:Perhaps you are fortunate to have a vented range hood. Most places don't have them.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs
and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
I've had it in this house seven years now. I like it. Perhaps you
are just a slob with no ventilation over the stove.
On 1/27/2026 5:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
Ever since I was a young man, I've thought that it would be a good idea to remove
the wall between the kitchen and dining room in our family's home. It's a room
that's never been used to eat in. Mostly, we pass through it to get to the patio.
It's a stagnant room and I'd like to get in there and get to breathe and live
again. That'll be a goal in the next few years.
Just make sure it's not a load-bearing wall.
On 1/28/2026 1:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
TG will always be a properly roasted turkey, and Easter probably a
pricey beef roast (my m-i-l pays for it), but I'm thinking that for at least one of the other meals, Costco rotisserie chicken.
TG is turkey. Christmas is either turkey or roast beef
Easter is ham. Not negotiable.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
On 1/25/26 7:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
My wife and I like it becasue we can talk to each other
across the expanse. Not to mention, she is easy on the
eyes. I will never go back to a closed floor plan.
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