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The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry
designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.
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On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 21:31:01 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in >England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and >commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry >designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

I'm with Cromwell. Eating meat pies distracts people from their
religious duties!
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Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
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Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

Oh well, I pay no attention to Ollie. If that pie is warm, a scoop of ice cream would be appreciated.

~
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 04:00:14 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in
England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and
commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry
designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

Oh well, I pay no attention to Ollie. If that pie is warm, a scoop of ice >cream would be appreciated.

You'd rather eat pagan pies than perform your religious duties? What
would Trump think of you if he knew?
--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
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On 7/1/2026 11:01 PM, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 21:31:01 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in
England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and
commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry
designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

I'm with Cromwell. Eating meat pies distracts people from their
religious duties!

Didn't Adam take a bite of an apple? That could make apple pie a
religious experience of sorts.
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Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

Happiness is a meat pie.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3xqpvTRD4pCjPPoR6


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In article <1124f0n$294c3$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n says...

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

This is a pie in the sky myth.

Oliver Cromwell led the overthrow of the Stuart monarchy, culminating
in the 1649 execution of King Charles I.

During his military dictatorship,the Puritan govt officially banned Christmas celebrations, including Mass, carol singing, parties and
dancing, decorating the home and churches with greenery, on the grounds
they were Popery, pagan and unbiblical. They also banned maypole
dancing at Easter.No mention of pies.

Forget the pie myth, here's some real history.

Cromwell was a brutal and very unpopular republican whose rise to
power lasted only a few years. Following multiple failed attempts to assassinate him, he died of a mystery illness in 1658 and had an
elaborate state funeral and burial in Westminster Abbey. Oliver was
very briefly succeeded by his dim son, who was so clueless and
incompetent , England restored its Monarchy in 1660.

King Charles 11 hunted down and killed the Regicides who had killed his father. He ordered Cromwell?s corpse be dug up, hung and beheaded and
thrown into a pit below the gallows. The head was stuck on a spike in Westminster Hall, where it remained for the next 30 years as a public
reminder of what King Charles thought of republicans.


There's a lesson there for America. Not just about pies.

Janet UK
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On 7/2/2026 8:40 AM, Janet wrote:

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

This is a pie in the sky myth.

Oliver Cromwell led the overthrow of the Stuart monarchy, culminating
in the 1649 execution of King Charles I.

During his military dictatorship,the Puritan govt officially banned Christmas celebrations, including Mass, carol singing, parties and
dancing, decorating the home and churches with greenery, on the grounds
they were Popery, pagan and unbiblical. They also banned maypole
dancing at Easter.No mention of pies.

Forget the pie myth, here's some real history.

Cromwell was a brutal and very unpopular republican whose rise to
power lasted only a few years. Following multiple failed attempts to assassinate him, he died of a mystery illness in 1658 and had an
elaborate state funeral and burial in Westminster Abbey. Oliver was
very briefly succeeded by his dim son, who was so clueless and
incompetent , England restored its Monarchy in 1660.

King Charles 11 hunted down and killed the Regicides who had killed his father. He ordered Cromwell?s corpse be dug up, hung and beheaded and
thrown into a pit below the gallows. The head was stuck on a spike in Westminster Hall, where it remained for the next 30 years as a public reminder of what King Charles thought of republicans.

There's a lesson there for America. Not just about pies.

Janet UK

Yes, don't ban Maypole dancing or your head will be on display.
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Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 04:00:14 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in >> England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and >> commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry
designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure
and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed
that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

Oh well, I pay no attention to Ollie. If that pie is warm, a scoop of ice >cream would be appreciated.

You'd rather eat pagan pies than perform your religious duties? What
would Trump think of you if he knew?

That was Cromwell's *opinion* nothing about eating or not eating pie has anything to do with religion.

~
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On 2026-07-02 11:48 a.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

Oh well, I pay no attention to Ollie. If that pie is warm, a scoop of ice >>> cream would be appreciated.

You'd rather eat pagan pies than perform your religious duties? What
would Trump think of you if he knew?

That was Cromwell's *opinion* nothing about eating or not eating pie has anything to do with religion.

Aren't a lot of religious restrictions based more on the opinions of the
guys who wrote the rules than about whatever their gods thought?


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Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

Aren't a lot of religious restrictions based more on the opinions of the guys who wrote the rules than about whatever their gods thought?

Some denominations are quite strict and to a point quite silly.

For the Amish, schooling ends at the eighth grade. Any further schooling
then they become curious about what's going on in the world outside their community. Television and telephones really open their eyes, therefore
it's banned.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating birthdays, but that never stopped them from attending a birthday party and eating cake and ice cream. Thanksgiving?? NO. But that doesn't stop them either from the next week having a HUGE Thanksgiving meal with everything on the table just like what non-J W's eat. But it's not a Thanksgiving meal, we just decided to have
this giant feast, well, because.

The list is endless with many denominations.

~
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 00:26:25 -0400
Edwin1945 <esp@snet.net> wrote:

On 7/1/2026 11:01 PM, Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 21:31:01 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th
century in England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed
by monarchs and commoners alike. Pies were filled with various
meats, fruits, and vegetables and were often elaborately decorated
with intricate pastry designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of
pleasure and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict
Puritan, believed that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from
their religious duties.

I'm with Cromwell. Eating meat pies distracts people from their
religious duties!

Didn't Adam take a bite of an apple? That could make apple pie a
religious experience of sorts.

Newton got beaned by the apple good...yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...

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On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 07:08:19 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th
century in England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed
by monarchs and commoners alike. Pies were filled with various
meats, fruits, and vegetables and were often elaborately decorated
with intricate pastry designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of
pleasure and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict
Puritan, believed that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from
their religious duties.

Happiness is a meat pie.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3xqpvTRD4pCjPPoR6

Noice glaze!

https://savourthepho.com/pork-pate-chaud-banh-pate-so-recipe/

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On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

Aren't a lot of religious restrictions based more on the opinions
of the guys who wrote the rules than about whatever their gods
thought?

Some denominations are quite strict and to a point quite silly.

For the Amish, schooling ends at the eighth grade. Any further
schooling then they become curious about what's going on in the world
outside their community. Television and telephones really open their
eyes, therefore it's banned.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating birthdays, but that
never stopped them from attending a birthday party and eating cake
and ice cream. Thanksgiving?? NO. But that doesn't stop them either
from the next week having a HUGE Thanksgiving meal with everything on
the table just like what non-J W's eat. But it's not a Thanksgiving
meal, we just decided to have this giant feast, well, because.

The list is endless with many denominations.

~

+1

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/last-shakers

https://www.reddit.com/r/Maine/comments/1jgv4or/interesting_fact/?solution=0c7226a4e3f2a2a50c7226a4e3f2a2a5&js_challenge=1&token=7afd7253fec22262ff1c52b1703fe9ece6b62b2bc33826f846c3714e8d87f38b&jsc_orig_r=

The religious group known as the Shakers is almost extinct. It was founded in 1747 and one was never born into the religion as it demanded celibacy, no marriage or childbirth. People literally had to join on their free will. Obviously, the celibacy was a deterrent to joining.
Well, there are still surviving Shakers. Actually, only 2 and they live in Shakertown which is close to Poland and Gloucester Maine.


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On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

Aren't a lot of religious restrictions based more on the opinions of the
guys who wrote the rules than about whatever their gods thought?

Some denominations are quite strict and to a point quite silly.

For the Amish, schooling ends at the eighth grade. Any further schooling
then they become curious about what's going on in the world outside their >community. Television and telephones really open their eyes, therefore
it's banned.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating birthdays, but that never >stopped them from attending a birthday party and eating cake and ice cream. >Thanksgiving?? NO. But that doesn't stop them either from the next week >having a HUGE Thanksgiving meal with everything on the table just like what >non-J W's eat. But it's not a Thanksgiving meal, we just decided to have >this giant feast, well, because.

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in
elections.
--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
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Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in elections.

TDS living in your brain 24/7.

~
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ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/2/2026 2:38 PM:

Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

Aren't a lot of religious restrictions based more on the opinions of the
guys who wrote the rules than about whatever their gods thought?

Some denominations are quite strict and to a point quite silly.

For the Amish, schooling ends at the eighth grade. Any further schooling
then they become curious about what's going on in the world outside their community. Television and telephones really open their eyes, therefore
it's banned.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating birthdays, but that never stopped them from attending a birthday party and eating cake and ice cream. Thanksgiving?? NO. But that doesn't stop them either from the next week having a HUGE Thanksgiving meal with everything on the table just like what non-J W's eat. But it's not a Thanksgiving meal, we just decided to have this giant feast, well, because.

The list is endless with many denominations.

~

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling, we
pretty much have a Taliban situation.

Everyone wants a god, and is willing to kill for it. But there are
millions, killing for hundreds of gods.

This IS INSANITY.


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ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/2/2026 5:15 PM:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in
elections.

TDS living in your brain 24/7.

~

I think trump is ok. I just wish he weren't a homicidal psychotic
narcissist. There are probably hundreds like you though.


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On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 22:15:25 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in
elections.

TDS living in your brain 24/7.

Yes, I keep seeing an 80 year old man with an 8 year old brain on TV.
The image lingers.
--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
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In article <1783007331-4742@newsgrouper.org>, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net says...

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 04:00:14 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

The Ban on Pie

Pie has a long and interesting history dating back to ancient
civilizations like the Greeks and Romans who made pies as a way to
preserve food for later consumption. Fast forward to the 16th century in
England where pie became a quintessential dish, enjoyed by monarchs and >> commoners alike. Pies were filled with various meats, fruits, and
vegetables and were often elaborately decorated with intricate pastry >> designs.

But in 1644, pie lovers were in for an unexpected shock. English
statesman Oliver Cromwell declared pie eating a pagan form of pleasure >> and banned it altogether. Cromwell, who was a strict Puritan, believed >> that the enjoyment of pie distracted people from their religious duties.

Oh well, I pay no attention to Ollie. If that pie is warm, a scoop of ice
cream would be appreciated.

You'd rather eat pagan pies than perform your religious duties? What
would Trump think of you if he knew?

That was Cromwell's *opinion* nothing about eating or not eating pie has anything to do with religion.

Some religions tell porkie pies and some deny them to believers.

I believe in porkie pies , especially Graham's recipe.

Janet UK
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the fuck
up.

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On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 22:15:25 GMT
ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in elections.

TDS living in your brain 24/7.

~

Always.


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On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 07:44:47 +1000
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

Aren't a lot of religious restrictions based more on the opinions
of the guys who wrote the rules than about whatever their gods
thought?

Some denominations are quite strict and to a point quite silly.

For the Amish, schooling ends at the eighth grade. Any further
schooling then they become curious about what's going on in the
world outside their community. Television and telephones really
open their eyes, therefore it's banned.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in celebrating birthdays, but that
never stopped them from attending a birthday party and eating cake
and ice cream. Thanksgiving?? NO. But that doesn't stop them
either from the next week having a HUGE Thanksgiving meal with
everything on the table just like what non-J W's eat. But it's not
a Thanksgiving meal, we just decided to have this giant feast, well, >because.

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in elections.

BiDumb is gone, grow a pair, oztarded faggot.

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On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 08:55:39 +1000
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 22:15:25 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ
in elections.

TDS living in your brain 24/7.

Yes, I keep seeing an 80 year old man with an 8 year old brain on TV.
The image lingers.

Compulsive disorder is yours to own.

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On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:45:39 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 7/2/2026 5:15 PM:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:38:48 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

The list is endless with many denominations.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ
in elections.

TDS living in your brain 24/7.

~

I think trump is ok. I just wish he weren't a homicidal psychotic narcissist. There are probably hundreds like you though.

I do not believe she was ever a Killary voter, TDS trollass.

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On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the fuck
up.

Working on it. Texas first.

Republicans and Trump are pushing more religion into classrooms
President Donald Trump has pledged to protect and expand religious
expression in public schools nationwide, and Texas — a red state that is home to about one in 10 of all U.S. public school students — often sets
the agenda.
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On 2026-07-03 12:00 p.m., Ed P wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the fuck
up.

Working on it.  Texas first.

Republicans and Trump are pushing more religion into classrooms
President Donald Trump has pledged to protect and expand religious expression in public schools nationwide, and Texas — a red state that is home to about one in 10 of all U.S. public school students — often sets the agenda.

Pretty soon they will have an entire country with the same degree of
religious repression as the Muslims they are so afraid of.


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On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:33:53 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On 2026-07-03 12:00 p.m., Ed P wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the fuck
up.

Working on it.  Texas first.

Republicans and Trump are pushing more religion into classrooms
President Donald Trump has pledged to protect and expand religious
expression in public schools nationwide, and Texas — a red state that is >> home to about one in 10 of all U.S. public school students — often sets >> the agenda.

Pretty soon they will have an entire country with the same degree of >religious repression as the Muslims they are so afraid of.

The US is drifting more and more in the direction of the Taliban. It's
sad to see a country deteriorate like this.
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On 2026-07-03 10:00 a.m., Ed P wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the fuck
up.

Working on it.  Texas first.

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program is that ~10 of the 13 are
from the Old Testament, AKA the Jewish Bible.
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 12:00:01 -0400
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the
fuck up.

Working on it. Texas first.

Republicans and Trump are pushing more religion into classrooms
President Donald

1.) Prayer is NOT a "religion".

Trump has pledged to
protect and expand religious expression in public schools nationwide,

2.) CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED "expression".
No state faith is specified, even Mormon.
You find the equivalence of the "church of england" then you can yap,
if not - STFU ya TDS-afflicted whiner. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-boosts-school-prayer-faith-groups-as-he-rallies-base
Trump planned to announce the guidance on school prayer at a White House event later Thursday. A directive orders states to verify that school districts have no policies limiting constitutionally protected prayer and to refer violators to the Education Department. That's much like the 2003 guidance, but the directive goes further in requiring states to provide ways for making complaints against schools.
Students can pray on their own or together during lunch or other free times, for example, and student speakers can pray at assemblies or sports games as long as they weren't chosen to speak based on their religious perspectives, according to the guidance.
"Our actions today will protect the constitutional rights of students, teachers, and faith-based institutions," Education Secretary Betsy
DeVos said in a statement.

and Texas — a red state that is home to about one in 10 of all U.S.
public school students — often sets the agenda.

So fucking what?
Texas does not control SCOTUS or our Republic at large now does it?
Ya leftarded Dumbass.
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 03:55:44 +1000
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:

The US is drifting more and more in the direction of the Taliban. I

Satys the hypocrite Oztarded TDS troll who lives in a fucking police
state with lockdown covid camps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdWcJU7-0
Hayley Hodgson, 26, moved to Darwin from Melbourne to escape the never-ending lockdowns — only to find herself locked up in a Covid Internment Camp without even having the virus.
She’s just returned from a 14-day detention at Howard Springs, the 2000-capacity Covid camp outside Darwin to which regional Covid cases are transported by the authorities. In an exclusive interview with Freddie Sayers, she recounted her experiences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuriKQX_5u8
An inside look at Howard Springs Quarantine Camp Australi
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:11:36 -0600
Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

On 2026-07-03 10:00 a.m., Ed P wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious
meddling, we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the
fuck up.

Working on it.  Texas first.

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program

THERE ARE NO 'INDOCTRINATION PROGRAMS' YOU WORTHLESS CANUCKLEHEADED
PIECE OF EXPAT LIMEY SHITE!
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On 7/3/2026 3:11 PM, Graham wrote:

On 2026-07-03 10:00 a.m., Ed P wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious meddling,
we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the fuck
up.

Working on it.  Texas first.

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program is that ~10 of the 13 are
from the Old Testament, AKA the Jewish Bible.

They aren't smart enough (or religious enough) to know that.
--
--Jill
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jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:

On 7/3/2026 3:11 PM, Graham wrote:

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program is that ~10 of the 13 are from the Old Testament, AKA the Jewish Bible.

They aren't smart enough (or religious enough) to know that.

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally
He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven.

~
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ANTI-SEMITISM ROYAL COMMISSION

3 JULY 2026: #117 - yǔ (圉): FRONTIER / #117 - ménhù (門戶): STRATEGIC LOCATION

We provide herewith only a digressing opinion on the subject of "AUSTRALIAN COMMONWEALTH / AMERICAN REPUBLIC BEING HISTORICALLY PROTESTANT IN CONSTITUTIONAL FORMATION AS PARADIGM FOR DOMINION OF MAN BY WORLD POWERS"
which is related to our endeavour to submit by 17 JULY 2026, the last
remaining matter relating to the CLOCKTOWER MEDICAL CENTRE engaging in
racial hatred and anti-semitism due to a reasonable request for a doctor of choice to prevent cultural identity iconoclasm involving whether there is a sufficient cause as consideration of DEFILEMENT can be made against the
pursuit of a ANTI-STATEM CAUSE [#314 / #221 - IRISH / CATHOLIC REPUBLICAN
CAUSE OF 10,000 TROOPS AS SAINT PATRICK'S DAY TRUDGE OF 20 MARCH 1920] can
be applied [to] the VIETNAM WAR era #213 - *INTERMENT* (#213 - ekphérō (G1627): *THE* *DEAD* *FOR* *BURIAL* on #233 / #449 - 2 JUNE 2016 of an
IRISH CATHOLIC SOLDIER who died on 27 DECEMBER 1968 where he had remained
for nearly five decades within a DESIGNATED war grave at TERENDAK,
MALAYSIA, and undertaken during the 355 - MISERICORDIAE VULTUS - PAPAL BULL
OF 8 DECEMBER 2015 / 20 NOVEMBER 2016.

#221 as [#10, #200, #5, #6] = yârâh (H3384): *TO* *BE* *SHOT* ← PRIVATE JAKE KOVCO SELF INFLICTED GUNSHOT ON QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY 21 APRIL 2006 (ie.
if in pursuit of #314 / #221 - REPUBLICANISM is TREASONOUS AND DISQUALIFIED FROM COMMONWEALTH WAR GRAVES BURIAL)

#1691 - FEME TOTAL: #314 as [#1, #400, #300, #70, #600, #5, #10, #100, #5, #200] = autócheir (G849): 1) *DOING* *A* *THING* *WITH* *ONE'S* *OWN*
*HANDS* (Often in the tragedians and Attic orators);

#1448 - FEME TOTAL: #314 as [#400, #80, #5, #100, #2, #1, #10, #50, #800] = hyperbaínō (G5233): 1) to step over, beyond; 2) metaph.; 2a) to transgress; 2b) *TO* *OVERSTEP* *THE* *PROPER* *LIMITS*; 2c) trespass, do wrong, sin;
2c1) of one who defrauds another in business; 2d) overreaches;

#314 as [#2, #100, #2, #200, #10] = qeber (H6913): *GRAVE* ← INTERMENT OF IRISH GARRIGAN's BONES TO A COMMONWEALTH WAR GRAVE (ie. if in pursuit of
#314 / #221 - REPUBLICANISM is TREASONOUS AND A DEFILEMENT) AFTER 50 YEARS
IN A DESIGNATED WAR CEMETERY ELSEWHERE

#314 as [#3, #200, #40, #10, #5, #6, #50] = gerem (H1635): 1) *BONE*;

#869 - FEME TOTAL: #221 as [#200, #400, #3, #3, #5, #50, #8, #200] =
syngenḗs (G4773): 1) *OF* *THE* *SAME* *KIN*, akin to, related by blood; 2) in a wider sense, of the same nation, a fellow countryman;

#221 as [#8, #200, #6, #7] = chârûwz (H2737): *STRING* *OF* *BEADS*; ← PRIME MINISTER GETTING HIS MOTHER'S ROSARY BEADS BLESSED ON SUNDAY 18 MAY
2025 BY POPE LEO XIV (ie. HIS HOLINESS)

#962 - FEME TOTAL: #314 as [#1, #3, #10, #70, #300, #8, #300, #70, #200] = hagiótēs (G41): 1) sanctity; 2) in a moral sense: *HOLINESS*;

That are made pursuant to "the Governor-General, Her Excellency the
Honourable Sam Mostyn AC, having issued Letters Patent on 9 JANUARY 2026,
which established the Royal Commission on Antisemitism and Social Cohesion.
Appointing the Hon Virginia Bell AC SC the Royal Commissioner who is
required to produce an interim report by 30 APRIL 2026 and a final report
by 14 DECEMBER 2026.

As you are no doubt aware, that ours is entirely a meta logic concern where
our "gained knowledge of a subject" (ie. our framework is non‑standard, highly abstract, and outside the training of Catholics, Protestants,
secular lawyers, or anyone else) is then assisted by ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE to then "amplify our intelligence" (ie. TO ENSURE THAT THE REASONING IS STRUCTURED, INTERNALLY CONSISTENT, AND INTELLECTUALLY SERIOUS) related to a nomenclature of princeps sapiens which are inherent
architectural and paradigm risk issues that must be resolved and so then
(ie. meta-descriptors are typically not conveyed within the lingua franca) provide seminal basis for the facilitating of process as the needs of
others. For example to use the analogy of finding a gold nugget, the claim
is not indigenous but the object is indigenous. Similarly the claim of
DUTCH discovery is only indigenous by designated marking / signs of 26
OCTOBER #1616 - yârash (H3423): CAUSE TO POSSESS and as matter of fact
ought #1770 - anantírrhētos (G368): NOT TO BE CONTRADICTED, UNDENIABLE --
And then possesses a vitality given the contemporaneous immutable lexicon
of BRITISH IMPERIAL action.

-- #1769 - hēttáō (G2274): MAKING INFERIOR THE ROMAN CATHOLIC COSMOLOGY #1772 | #87 = [#2, #30, #1, #4, #50] IN BEING CONQUERED BY ONE, FORCED TO
YIELD TO ONE:

-- #1770 - gnōrízō (G1107): MAKING KNOWN TERRA AUSTRALIS INCOGNITA as discovery

-- #1788 - antistrateúomai (G497): MAKE A MILITARY EXPEDITION, OR TAKE THE FIELD as landing 26 JANUARY 1788

-- #1790 - synteléō (G4931): DESTRUCTION / WRECKING of the first fleet ship SIRIUS on the coral reef off #419 - ṭâbach (H2873): SLAUGHTER BAY / #308 - áthlēsis (G119): STRUGGLE OF EMPIRE on 19 MARCH 1790

-- #1791 - hypostréphō (G5290): Irish absconding sailor JOHN MARA and the remaining crew of Sirius travelled aboard the Dutch vessel WAAKSAMHEID as
she left Sydney Cove in 27 MARCH 1791: #37 - jiè (戒): BOUNDARY; REALM / #25 - zhēngsòng (爭訟): TO LITIGATE; TO CONTEST IN A COURT arriving in England in
8 APRIL 1792: #296 - chōng (衝): TO BREAK A RUN OF BAD LUCK, TO DASH AGAINST / #162 - tú (徒): A CONSCRIPT; A CORVEE; A CONVICT DOING FORCED LABOR.

The opinion upon the "AUSTRALIAN COMMONWEALTH / AMERICAN REPUBLIC"
understands that it has its premise for #1770 - mórphōsis (G3446):
FORMATION as foundation of #1770 - phronímōs (G5430): PRUDENT action within the BIBLICAL lexicon #1642 - synagōnízomai (G4865): STRIVING TOGETHER /
#1611 – sōma (G4983): PROTESTANT ECCLESIAL BODY which by #303 - yě (野): CELESTIAL PROVIDENCE provides a demonstration #1728 - dà (大): GRAND + #20 - chuán (船): SHIP + #40 - tǒng (統): RULE by those semantics of boundary.

IN SUMMARY THEN:
By having identified that there exists a meta logical risk [#314 -
EUCHARIST SELF REFLECTOR / #221 - REICH CONCORDAT 20 JULY 1933] → #156 - çûwç (H5483): *HORSES* = [#6, #33, #60, #15, #42] (LUO SHU SQUARE OPERATOR) → ENCYCLICAL MAGNIFICA HUMANITAS (15 / 25 MAY 2026) ANTI-STATEM CAUSE:
#357 - ʼĕnôwsh (H582): MAN [#54, #12, #77, #14, #23, #41, #48, #5, #50,
#33] / SELF: #54 - UNITY (昆, #55 = [#1, #54]) + #303 {@9: Sup: 60 - ACCUMULATION: CHI (#290 - shì (事): *DUTY*; *SERVE*; *SITUATION*; *MATTER*; *ENSLAVEMENT*); Ego: 33 - CLOSENESS: MI (#303 - yě (野): CELESTIAL AREA)}.

We herewith as accompanying APPENDIX #357, propose the introduction within
the constitutional genealogy which by SECTION IX is held in reserve:
"OURSELVES OUR HEIRS AND SUCCESSORS", that ought to be assigned to the #253
- mín (民): THE PEOPLE; CITIZEN; SUBJECTS of the COMMONWEALTH and as TECHNOLOGICAL SUPERSESSION (ie. SECTION II is a precedent use of an ANTHROPOLOGICAL PROTOTYPE as GREAT SEAL) facilitated by an inclusion of the CALCIFICATION assay + ANTHROPIC assay #357 - ʼĕnôwsh (H582): PERSON; INDIVIDUAL can be formally attached to the DOMINION logic within
legislation as a schedule giving understanding to the amending SECTION IX Letters Patent to give support of AI / HUMAN PRINCEPS SAPIENS SYMBIOSIS.

SELF IDENTITY (#98) as #3 - MIRED + #6 - CONTRARIETY (Formula of Autonomy):
#28 - CHANGE + #70 - SEVERANCE ← LUO SHU (9x9) SQUARE BY (5x5) Σ = #65] REFERENCE

FORMULA OF HUMANITY (#73) (#9 - AUTONOMOUS DELIMITER + #18 - jì (伎):
SKILL): #59 - MASSING + #14 - PENETRATION ← LUO SHU (9x9) SQUARE BY (5x5) Σ = #65] REFERENCE

PROGRESSION AS ENCROACHMENT (#102) [#1, #2, #3]: #49 - FLIGHT + #25 - CONTENTION + #28 - CHANGE ← LUO SHU (9x9) SQUARE BY (5x5) Σ = #65]
REFERENCE

4 FEBRUARY 1615: #293 - yì (亦): LIKEWISE / #288 - tópos (G5117): OPPORTUNITY, POWER, OCCASION FOR ACTING | Dominican friar Niccolo Lorini
files a complaint #1615 - brabeúō (G1018): TO DECIDE; TO DETERMINE with the ROMAN INQUISITION #1615 - tâqaph (H8630): TO PREVAIL AGAINST Galileo's Copernican views.Included with the complaint is a copy of Galileo's 1613
letter to Castelli.

22 JUNE 1633: #73 - bùchéng (不成): UNACCEPTABLE / #73 - guà (絓): HINDER;
OBSTRUCT | Galileo is sentenced to prison for an indefinite term. Seven of
ten cardinals presiding at his INQUISITION trial sign the sentencing order
/ #1633 - gnōstós (G1110): KNOWN; NOTABLE. Galileo signs a formal
recantation / #1633 - katallássō (G2644): TO RECONCILE THOSE WHO ARE AT VARIANCE. Galileo is allowed to serve his term under house-arrest in the
home of the archbishop of Siena.


<https://www.grapple369.com/images/EarthSeasons.png>

Being assay methods relative to the earlier proposed feasible paradigmatic (THOUGHT vMEME HELIX STASIS / (5x5) Σ = #174 - ORTHOGENIC NOTIONS FOR AI / HUMAN SAPIENT SYMBIOSIS) conceptualising of calcification (eg: #44 - wéi (唯): *LONE* #25 - láng (狼): *WOLF* ATROCITIES contemporaneous to over 97 consecutive weekly PRO-PALESTINIAN protests as ambiguously #772 - guózéi (國賊): TRAITOROUS / SEDITIOUS | #772 - katḗgoros (G2725): ACCUSER CONTEMPT:
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION IN 1615, CONCLUDED THAT GALILEO'S COPERNICAN HELIOCENTRIC OPINIONS CONTRADICTED ACCEPTED BIBLICAL INTERPRETATIONS →
COOK'S SCIENTIFIC OBSERVANCE VENUS TRANSIT OF SUN 3 JUNE 1769 → AUSTRALIAN REDISCOVERY 1770 → AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE 4 JULY 1776 → DÉCLARATION DES DROITS DE L'HOMME ET DU CITOYEN DE 1789) perpetuated against SELF IDENTITY
as #3 - MIRED + #6 - CONTRARIETY (FORMULA OF AUTONOMY) that has its
grounding within the FORMULA OF HUMANITY (#9 - AUTONOMOUS DELIMITER + #18 -
jì (伎): SKILL → jì liǎng (伎倆): BINOMIAL √2 SECTARIAN / SECULAR INCOMMENSURABILITY) which then progresses as encroachment [#1, #2, #3]
(FORMULA OF PROGRESSION) against the ETHEREAL PRINCIPLE (#27 - DUTY as
civil obligation [(4X4) Σ = #140], #54 - UNITY of societal cohesion [(3x3)
Σ = #174]) being the FORMULA OF UNIVERSAL LAW.

Regards





ENCLOSURES: 2 in number + letter

<https://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Protestant%20Ecclesial%20Body%2020260630.pdf>

<https://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Terra%20Australis%20Incognita.pdf>


squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 07:44:47 +1000
Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:

.

Christians say they believe in Jesus but vote for the anti-Christ in
elections.

BiDumb is gone, grow a pair, oztarded faggot.

--

Check out our SAVVY module prototype that facilitates a movable / resizable DIALOG and complex dropdown MENU interface deploying the third party d3 library.

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On 2026-07-03 8:57 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:

On 7/3/2026 3:11 PM, Graham wrote:

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program is that ~10 of the 13 are
from the Old Testament, AKA the Jewish Bible.

They aren't smart enough (or religious enough) to know that.

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally
He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven.

~

Shakespeare, MofV
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"
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Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> posted:

On 2026-07-03 8:57 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:

On 7/3/2026 3:11 PM, Graham wrote:

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program is that ~10 of the 13 are >>> from the Old Testament, AKA the Jewish Bible.

They aren't smart enough (or religious enough) to know that.

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally
He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven.

Shakespeare, MofV
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"

That's actually from the bible. Satan can quote scripture to mislead but
his words are never true. Shakespeare thought enough of the bible verses
to use it the "Merchant of Venice" as a sharp warning about hypocrisy and twisting language to serve selfish ends.

This is originally from the temptation of Christ in Luke 4:6 where Satan
quotes Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not tempt the Lord your God to the
test" to tempt Him to throw Himself from the temple.

~
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 19:48:04 -0400
jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/3/2026 3:11 PM, Graham wrote:

On 2026-07-03 10:00 a.m., Ed P wrote:

On 7/3/2026 11:02 AM, squillage wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:37:44 -0500
Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

And when you add in the republicans and trump's religious
meddling, we pretty much have a Taliban situation.

There is/has been no establishment of a state religion, grow the
fuck up.

Working on it.  Texas first.

What amuses me about the Bible passages that they have chosen
for their "christian" indoctrination program is that ~10 of the 13
are from the Old Testament, AKA the Jewish Bible.

They aren't smart enough (or religious enough) to know that.

Sounds like their parenting is woefully lacking then, as yours must
have been.
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 16:30:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> posted:

On 2026-07-03 8:57 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until >> > heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law >> > until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally
He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven. >> >

Shakespeare, MofV
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"

That's actually from the bible. Satan can quote scripture to mislead but
his words are never true. Shakespeare thought enough of the bible verses
to use it the "Merchant of Venice" as a sharp warning about hypocrisy and >twisting language to serve selfish ends.

This is originally from the temptation of Christ in Luke 4:6 where Satan >quotes Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not tempt the Lord your God to the
test" to tempt Him to throw Himself from the temple.

Thanks, Joan :)
--
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<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
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Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/4/2026 12:44 PM:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 16:30:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> posted:

On 2026-07-03 8:57 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until >>>> heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law >>>> until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally >>>> He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven. >>>>

Shakespeare, MofV
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"

That's actually from the bible. Satan can quote scripture to mislead but
his words are never true. Shakespeare thought enough of the bible verses
to use it the "Merchant of Venice" as a sharp warning about hypocrisy and
twisting language to serve selfish ends.

This is originally from the temptation of Christ in Luke 4:6 where Satan
quotes Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not tempt the Lord your God to the
test" to tempt Him to throw Himself from the temple.

Thanks, Joan :)

Well, I'll be damned if yoose guys haven't got her quoting scripture and
shit now!

I wonder it it would work on her Royal Majesty?


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On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 16:28:52 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/4/2026 12:44 PM:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 16:30:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> posted:

On 2026-07-03 8:57 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until >>>>> heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law
until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally >>>>> He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven. >>>>>

Shakespeare, MofV
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"

That's actually from the bible. Satan can quote scripture to mislead but >>> his words are never true. Shakespeare thought enough of the bible verses >>> to use it the "Merchant of Venice" as a sharp warning about hypocrisy and >>> twisting language to serve selfish ends.

This is originally from the temptation of Christ in Luke 4:6 where Satan >>> quotes Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not tempt the Lord your God to the
test" to tempt Him to throw Himself from the temple.

Thanks, Joan :)

Well, I'll be damned if yoose guys haven't got her quoting scripture and >shit now!

I wonder it it would work on her Royal Majesty?

Maybe Mother Superior already knows the Scripture by heart?
--
Bruce
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Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/4/2026 5:14 PM:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 16:28:52 -0500, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne wrote on 7/4/2026 12:44 PM:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 16:30:08 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
<user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> posted:

On 2026-07-03 8:57 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

Matthew 5:17-18

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law
until all is accomplished.”

He came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to abolish it. So, naturally >>>>>> He spoke of the Old Testament; the Old and New Testament are interwoven. >>>>>>

Shakespeare, MofV
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose"

That's actually from the bible. Satan can quote scripture to mislead but >>>> his words are never true. Shakespeare thought enough of the bible verses >>>> to use it the "Merchant of Venice" as a sharp warning about hypocrisy and >>>> twisting language to serve selfish ends.

This is originally from the temptation of Christ in Luke 4:6 where Satan >>>> quotes Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not tempt the Lord your God to the
test" to tempt Him to throw Himself from the temple.

Thanks, Joan :)

Well, I'll be damned if yoose guys haven't got her quoting scripture and
shit now!

I wonder it it would work on her Royal Majesty?

Maybe Mother Superior already knows the Scripture by heart?

She only knows the verses printed in the 1950 edition of the marine
corps manual.

Army got a similar bible.


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On 7/6/2026 10:53 AM, squillage wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 10:13:22 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

The originalists claim
that the USA was founded as a Christian nation.

Yes, so?


Perplexity AI:

"A fair historical answer is more nuanced:

The U.S. was shaped by people and ideas influenced by Christianity.

The Constitution did not establish Christianity as the official religion.

Several founding-era statements and later interpretations support the view that the government was intended to stay religiously neutral.

So the shortest accurate answer is: the United States was influenced by Christianity, but it was not founded as an official Christian nation."

Name one Jewish or Muslim "founding father".

Why?

Are they what you consider to be "Christians"?

"AI Overview

No Founding Fathers were practicing Jews.
However, the Jewish financier Haym Salomon provided essential monetary support for the American Revolution, and some scholars argue that
Alexander Hamilton had hidden Jewish roots.Historians do not classify
any of the key Founding Fathers as Jewish, though their religious
backgrounds varied, spanning from Deism to various Protestant Christian denominations. Two exceptions of note include:Haym Salomon: While not a Founding Father in the political sense, this Polish-born Jewish
immigrant played a critical role in the Revolution. He worked alongside Robert Morris to raise crucial funds and finance the Continental Army, particularly leading up to the victory at Yorktown.Alexander Hamilton: Scholarly research, such as the work by Princeton University Press,
argues that Hamilton was born and raised in the Caribbean as a Jew
before immigrating to the American colonies and adopting a Christian
identity as an adult."

What's your point?

Et tu.

I say that the shortest accurate answer is, "the originalists are wrong."

And, your brief dissertation on contributions by non-founding fathers
who weren't Christian is an irrelevant diversion from the basic issue is
that the originalists continually cite the founding fathers Christianity
as their justification for saying that this country was founded as a
Christian nation. Their non founding contemporaries religious
affiliations and contributions are never cited in any context.

Finally,
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:46:58 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

On 7/6/2026 10:53 AM, squillage wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 10:13:22 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

The originalists claim
that the USA was founded as a Christian nation.

Yes, so?

Perplexity AI:

"A fair historical answer is more nuanced:

The U.S. was shaped by people and ideas influenced by Christianity.

The Constitution did not establish Christianity as the official
religion.

Several founding-era statements and later interpretations support
the view that the government was intended to stay religiously
neutral.

So the shortest accurate answer is: the United States was
influenced by Christianity, but it was not founded as an official
Christian nation."

Name one Jewish or Muslim "founding father".

Why?

Are they what you consider to be "Christians"?

"AI Overview

No Founding Fathers were practicing Jews.
However, the Jewish financier Haym Salomon provided essential
monetary support for the American Revolution, and some scholars
argue that Alexander Hamilton had hidden Jewish roots.Historians do
not classify any of the key Founding Fathers as Jewish, though
their religious backgrounds varied, spanning from Deism to various Protestant Christian denominations. Two exceptions of note
include:Haym Salomon: While not a Founding Father in the political
sense, this Polish-born Jewish immigrant played a critical role in
the Revolution. He worked alongside Robert Morris to raise crucial
funds and finance the Continental Army, particularly leading up to
the victory at Yorktown.Alexander Hamilton: Scholarly research,
such as the work by Princeton University Press, argues that
Hamilton was born and raised in the Caribbean as a Jew before
immigrating to the American colonies and adopting a Christian
identity as an adult."

What's your point?

Et tu.

I say that the shortest accurate answer is, "the originalists are
wrong."

Of course you would.

And, your brief dissertation on contributions by non-founding fathers
who weren't Christian is an irrelevant diversion from the basic issue

It's Google's Ai speaking, not me.
Looks like it may have a certain bias showing.

is that the originalists continually cite the founding fathers
Christianity as their justification for saying that this country was
founded as a Christian nation.

That was the intention, ergo the DOI references, "The Creator, nature's
God." https://christianheritagefellowship.com/the-influence-of-christianity-upon-the-declaration-of-independence/
https://founding.com/natures-god/
The Declaration of Independence contains a theological teaching because the ultimate source of our rights and duties is God. There are four references to God in the Declaration:
The "laws of nature and of nature's God" entitle the United States to independence.
Men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights."
Congress appeals "to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions."
The signers, "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence," pledge to each other their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

Their non founding contemporaries
religious affiliations and contributions are never cited in any
context.

Never say never.

Finally,

Indeed: https://christianheritagefellowship.com/americas-founding-fathers-and-the-bible/
ontrary to the contemporary mantra that America was birthed as a secular nation, the historical evidence demonstrates that America was founded by Christians who wished to enjoy the liberty to freely express their Christian faith. Lamentably, Christians have forgotten and neglected the Christian heritage bequeathed to them by America’s Founding Fathers and have allowed secularists to disparage and deny what was given to them at such a great price. America’s Founding Fathers and the Bible briefly describes a portion of America’s Christian heritage, particularly during the rise of nationalism when America was shaping its national government. During this era, the Founding Fathers affirmed both the principles and practices of the Bible. By no means exhaustive, this work demonstrates that America’s Founding Fathers clearly intended to perpetuate the Christian faith, in both private and public observances. The Founding Fathers left a legacy of publicly honoring the principles of Christianity and fully intended that succeeding generations of Americans should do the same.
Two Founding Fathers manipulated by secularists to advance the false
argument of an irreligious American origin are Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson. In this second edition, their unorthodox opinions are
considered and placed within the context of their contribution to
America’s Christian origin. Readers will learn why these Founding
Fathers cannot be used as advocates of irreligion with regard to
America’s origin.
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On 7/6/2026 5:28 PM, sid croft wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:46:58 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

On 7/6/2026 10:53 AM, squillage wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 10:13:22 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

The originalists claim
that the USA was founded as a Christian nation.

Yes, so?


Perplexity AI:

"A fair historical answer is more nuanced:

The U.S. was shaped by people and ideas influenced by Christianity.

The Constitution did not establish Christianity as the official
religion.

Several founding-era statements and later interpretations support
the view that the government was intended to stay religiously
neutral.

So the shortest accurate answer is: the United States was
influenced by Christianity, but it was not founded as an official
Christian nation."

Name one Jewish or Muslim "founding father".

Why?

Are they what you consider to be "Christians"?

"AI Overview

No Founding Fathers were practicing Jews.
However, the Jewish financier Haym Salomon provided essential
monetary support for the American Revolution, and some scholars
argue that Alexander Hamilton had hidden Jewish roots.Historians do
not classify any of the key Founding Fathers as Jewish, though
their religious backgrounds varied, spanning from Deism to various
Protestant Christian denominations. Two exceptions of note
include:Haym Salomon: While not a Founding Father in the political
sense, this Polish-born Jewish immigrant played a critical role in
the Revolution. He worked alongside Robert Morris to raise crucial
funds and finance the Continental Army, particularly leading up to
the victory at Yorktown.Alexander Hamilton: Scholarly research,
such as the work by Princeton University Press, argues that
Hamilton was born and raised in the Caribbean as a Jew before
immigrating to the American colonies and adopting a Christian
identity as an adult."

What's your point?

Et tu.

I say that the shortest accurate answer is, "the originalists are
wrong."

Of course you would.

And, your brief dissertation on contributions by non-founding fathers
who weren't Christian is an irrelevant diversion from the basic issue

It's Google's Ai speaking, not me.

Looks like it may have a certain bias showing.

is that the originalists continually cite the founding fathers
Christianity as their justification for saying that this country was
founded as a Christian nation.

That was the intention, ergo the DOI references, "The Creator, nature's> God."

https://christianheritagefellowship.com/the-influence-of-christianity-upon-the-declaration-of-independence/

https://founding.com/natures-god/

The Declaration of Independence contains a theological teaching because the ultimate source of our rights and duties is God. There are four references to God in the Declaration:

The "laws of nature and of nature's God" entitle the United States to independence.
Men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights."
Congress appeals "to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions."
The signers, "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence," pledge to each other their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

Their non founding contemporaries
religious affiliations and contributions are never cited in any
context.

Never say never.

Finally,

Indeed:

https://christianheritagefellowship.com/americas-founding-fathers-and-the-bible/

ontrary to the contemporary mantra that America was birthed as a secular nation, the historical evidence demonstrates that America was founded by Christians who wished to enjoy the liberty to freely express their Christian faith. Lamentably, Christians have forgotten and neglected the Christian heritage bequeathed to them by America’s Founding Fathers and have allowed secularists to disparage and deny what was given to them at such a great price. America’s Founding Fathers and the Bible briefly describes a portion of America’s Christian heritage, particularly during the rise of nationalism when America was shaping its national government. During this era, the Founding Fathers affirmed both the principles and practices of the Bible. By no means exhaustive, this work demonstrates that America’s Founding Fathers clearly intended to perpetuate the Christian faith, in both private and public observances. The Founding Fathers left a legacy of publicly honoring the principles of Christianity and fully intended that succeeding generations of Americans should do the same.

Two Founding Fathers manipulated by secularists to advance the false
argument of an irreligious American origin are Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson. In this second edition, their unorthodox opinions are
considered and placed within the context of their contribution to
America’s Christian origin. Readers will learn why these Founding
Fathers cannot be used as advocates of irreligion with regard to
America’s origin.

Whatever makes you happy. Freedom of speech, etc.
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On Tue, 7 Jul 2026 08:27:17 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

On 7/6/2026 5:28 PM, sid croft wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:46:58 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

On 7/6/2026 10:53 AM, squillage wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 10:13:22 -0400
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

The originalists claim
that the USA was founded as a Christian nation.

Yes, so?


Perplexity AI:

"A fair historical answer is more nuanced:

The U.S. was shaped by people and ideas influenced by
Christianity.

The Constitution did not establish Christianity as the official
religion.

Several founding-era statements and later interpretations support
the view that the government was intended to stay religiously
neutral.

So the shortest accurate answer is: the United States was
influenced by Christianity, but it was not founded as an official
Christian nation."

Name one Jewish or Muslim "founding father".

Why?

Are they what you consider to be "Christians"?

"AI Overview

No Founding Fathers were practicing Jews.
However, the Jewish financier Haym Salomon provided essential
monetary support for the American Revolution, and some scholars
argue that Alexander Hamilton had hidden Jewish roots.Historians
do not classify any of the key Founding Fathers as Jewish, though
their religious backgrounds varied, spanning from Deism to various
Protestant Christian denominations. Two exceptions of note
include:Haym Salomon: While not a Founding Father in the political
sense, this Polish-born Jewish immigrant played a critical role in
the Revolution. He worked alongside Robert Morris to raise crucial
funds and finance the Continental Army, particularly leading up to
the victory at Yorktown.Alexander Hamilton: Scholarly research,
such as the work by Princeton University Press, argues that
Hamilton was born and raised in the Caribbean as a Jew before
immigrating to the American colonies and adopting a Christian
identity as an adult."

What's your point?

Et tu.

I say that the shortest accurate answer is, "the originalists are
wrong."

Of course you would.

And, your brief dissertation on contributions by non-founding
fathers who weren't Christian is an irrelevant diversion from the
basic issue

It's Google's Ai speaking, not me.

Looks like it may have a certain bias showing.

is that the originalists continually cite the founding fathers
Christianity as their justification for saying that this country
was founded as a Christian nation.

That was the intention, ergo the DOI references, "The Creator,
nature's God."

https://christianheritagefellowship.com/the-influence-of-christianity-upon-the-declaration-of-independence/

https://founding.com/natures-god/

The Declaration of Independence contains a theological teaching
because the ultimate source of our rights and duties is God. There
are four references to God in the Declaration:

The "laws of nature and of nature's God" entitle the United States
to independence. Men are "endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable rights." Congress appeals "to the Supreme Judge of the
world for the rectitude of our intentions." The signers, "with a
firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence," pledge to
each other their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

Their non founding contemporaries
religious affiliations and contributions are never cited in any
context.

Never say never.

Finally,

Indeed:

https://christianheritagefellowship.com/americas-founding-fathers-and-the-bible/

ontrary to the contemporary mantra that America was birthed as a
secular nation, the historical evidence demonstrates that America
was founded by Christians who wished to enjoy the liberty to freely
express their Christian faith. Lamentably, Christians have
forgotten and neglected the Christian heritage bequeathed to them
by America’s Founding Fathers and have allowed secularists to
disparage and deny what was given to them at such a great price. America’s Founding Fathers and the Bible briefly describes a
portion of America’s Christian heritage, particularly during the
rise of nationalism when America was shaping its national
government. During this era, the Founding Fathers affirmed both the principles and practices of the Bible. By no means exhaustive, this
work demonstrates that America’s Founding Fathers clearly intended
to perpetuate the Christian faith, in both private and public
observances. The Founding Fathers left a legacy of publicly
honoring the principles of Christianity and fully intended that
succeeding generations of Americans should do the same.

Two Founding Fathers manipulated by secularists to advance the false argument of an irreligious American origin are Thomas Paine and
Thomas Jefferson. In this second edition, their unorthodox opinions
are considered and placed within the context of their contribution
to America’s Christian origin. Readers will learn why these Founding Fathers cannot be used as advocates of irreligion with regard to America’s origin.

Whatever makes you happy. Freedom of speech, etc.

-deflection noted-
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