• Forks and other evil things in life

    From Ed P@esp@snet.n to rec.food.cooking on Sun Dec 7 21:17:35 2025
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    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s
    dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that the only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early 17th
    century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.

    Rock ‘n’ Roll music

    Rock ‘n’ roll created social anxiety when it first arrived in the 1950s. Teenagers embraced the fast tempo and new dances, while adults feared
    them. Listeners and dancers might become more rebellious or promiscuous,
    some worried. Mixing of races was also a concern since most rock ‘n’
    roll performers were African American. Communities tried stopping rock
    ‘n’ roll concerts from happening, as well as limiting radio song selections and stopping public dancing by adolescents.

    Books and novels (reading them alone)

    Could reading alone be dangerous? Some thought so in early America.
    Women who read in private, it was argued, were shirking their religious
    and social duties. Books, and novels in particular, were also accused of spreading sinful or whimsical ideas. Anxiety about reading influenced
    which books women were allowed to read.
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net@user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 03:43:37 2025
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    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that the
    only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early 17th century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.


    Thank goodness for forks! I'm sure many times those fingers were
    not washed before heading into a plate or bowl.

    ~
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 10:04:13 2025
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    On 2025-12-08, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John >> Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s
    dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that the
    only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early 17th
    century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.


    Thank goodness for forks! I'm sure many times those fingers were
    not washed before heading into a plate or bowl.

    I'm equally sure fingers are not washed nowadays before eating
    hand-held foods. The McDonald's drive-through comes to mind.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Bryan Simmons@bryangsimmons@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 07:45:03 2025
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    On 12/7/2025 8:17 PM, Ed P wrote:


    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that the
    only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early 17th century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.

    My youngest s-i-l's family eats fried chicken with utensils. The first
    time her daughter had fried chicken at our house, she looked somewhat horrified that we were eating it with our hands. Now, some things like
    fried eggs don't lend themselves well to eating with hands.>
    Rock ‘n’ Roll music

    Rock ‘n’ roll created social anxiety when it first arrived in the 1950s. Teenagers embraced the fast tempo and new dances, while adults feared
    them. Listeners and dancers might become more rebellious or promiscuous, some worried. Mixing of races was also a concern since most rock ‘n’ roll performers were African American. Communities tried stopping rock ‘n’ roll concerts from happening, as well as limiting radio song selections and stopping public dancing by adolescents.

    One of my goals in playing Rock 'n Roll was to mock and undermine
    traditional Judeo-Christian morality, especially sexual morality.>
    Books and novels (reading them alone)

    Could reading alone be dangerous? Some thought so in early America.
    Women who read in private, it was argued, were shirking their religious
    and social duties. Books, and novels in particular, were also accused of spreading sinful or whimsical ideas. Anxiety about reading influenced
    which books women were allowed to read.

    The Republican filth here in Missouri still feel that way. Very few of
    the books they want to ban were written with the goal of destroying
    their children's religious faith and moral systems, but that seems like
    a worthy pursuit. Cut out the cancer.


    *****
    We like the
    MOON
    But not as much as a spoon
    'Cause that's more use for eating soup
    And a fork isn't very useful for that unless it has got many vegetables
    And then you might be better off with a chopstick
    --Joel Vietch, rathergood.com
    *****
    --
    --Bryan https://www.instagram.com/bryangsimmons/

    For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
    tested on laboratory animals.

    "Most of the food described here is nauseating.
    We're just too courteous to say so."
    -- Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 09:42:28 2025
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    On 12/8/2025 8:45 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
    On 12/7/2025 8:17 PM, Ed P wrote:


    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John >> Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s
    dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that >> the only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early
    17th century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.

    My youngest s-i-l's family eats fried chicken with utensils. The first
    time her daughter had fried chicken at our house, she looked somewhat horrified that we were eating it with our hands. Now, some things like
    fried eggs don't lend themselves well to eating with hands.>

    Here is a test of habits.

    Put a bucket of KFC on the table and everyone grabs a piece and bites it.

    Put the same pieces in the oven and then put the pan on the table. The
    same crowd get the utensils to eat it.

    Wings were always hand food.
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  • From Bryan Simmons@bryangsimmons@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 10:05:23 2025
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    On 12/8/2025 8:42 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 12/8/2025 8:45 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
    On 12/7/2025 8:17 PM, Ed P wrote:


    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John >>> Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s >>> dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that >>> the only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early
    17th century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.
    ;
    My youngest s-i-l's family eats fried chicken with utensils. The first
    time her daughter had fried chicken at our house, she looked somewhat
    horrified that we were eating it with our hands. Now, some things like
    fried eggs don't lend themselves well to eating with hands.

    This needed a fork.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/T8PgpHNtSP7oEkrR9>
    Here is a test of habits.

    Put a bucket of KFC on the table and everyone grabs a piece and bites it.

    Put the same pieces in the oven and then put the pan on the table.  The same crowd get the utensils to eat it.

    Breaded chicken is not slippery, but if the baked chicken was bone-in,
    and in separate pieces, I'd use hands. The s-i-l has a weird aversion to touching chicken--or even seeing others touching it--even though she
    likes to eat it. Her oldest son just went off to college, and I hope she
    told him that anywhere but their house, he should pick it up with his
    hands so folks don't think he's a weirdo.>
    Wings were always hand food.

    Trying to eat wings with utensils is preposterous. I eat with my hands a
    lot when not in public. There were a couple of meatballs in sauce left
    from last night...
    --
    --Bryan https://www.instagram.com/bryangsimmons/

    For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
    tested on laboratory animals.

    "Most of the food described here is nauseating.
    We're just too courteous to say so."
    -- Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Dec 9 03:33:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 07:45:03 -0600, Bryan Simmons
    <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 12/7/2025 8:17 PM, Ed P wrote:

    Rock ‘n’ Roll music

    Rock ‘n’ roll created social anxiety when it first arrived in the 1950s.
    Teenagers embraced the fast tempo and new dances, while adults feared
    them. Listeners and dancers might become more rebellious or promiscuous,
    some worried. Mixing of races was also a concern since most rock ‘n’
    roll performers were African American. Communities tried stopping rock
    ‘n’ roll concerts from happening, as well as limiting radio song
    selections and stopping public dancing by adolescents.

    One of my goals in playing Rock 'n Roll was to mock and undermine >traditional Judeo-Christian morality, especially sexual morality.

    Unfortunately, you only offer nastiness to replace it with.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net@user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 17:03:09 2025
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    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-12-08, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John >> Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s >> dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that the
    only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early 17th
    century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.


    Thank goodness for forks! I'm sure many times those fingers were
    not washed before heading into a plate or bowl.

    I'm equally sure fingers are not washed nowadays before eating
    hand-held foods. The McDonald's drive-through comes to mind.


    Most any restaurant with a drive-thru qualifies for dirty finger
    patrons. Heck, even the ones with a sit-down space indoors to eat
    qualifies.

    ~
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  • From Dr. Rocktor@drr@in.valid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 11:37:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Tue, 09 Dec 2025 03:33:02 +1100
    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 07:45:03 -0600, Bryan Simmons
    <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 12/7/2025 8:17 PM, Ed P wrote:

    Rock ‘n’ Roll music

    Rock ‘n’ roll created social anxiety when it first arrived in the
    1950s. Teenagers embraced the fast tempo and new dances, while
    adults feared them. Listeners and dancers might become more
    rebellious or promiscuous, some worried. Mixing of races was also
    a concern since most rock ‘n’ roll performers were African
    American. Communities tried stopping rock ‘n’ roll concerts from
    happening, as well as limiting radio song selections and stopping
    public dancing by adolescents.

    One of my goals in playing Rock 'n Roll was to mock and undermine >traditional Judeo-Christian morality, especially sexual morality.

    Unfortunately, you only offer nastiness to replace it with.

    Consistent with the punk idiom of the day however.
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  • From Dr. Rocktor@drr@in.valid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 11:40:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 10:05:23 -0600
    Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

    This needed a fork.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/T8PgpHNtSP7oEkrR9>

    Expertly easy-over eggos, good work.

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  • From Dr. Rocktor@drr@in.valid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 11:43:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 07:45:03 -0600
    Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

    The Republican filth here in Missouri still feel that way. Very few
    of the books they want to ban were written with the goal of
    destroying their children's religious faith and moral systems, but
    that seems like a worthy pursuit. Cut out the cancer.

    So make a tranny/drag show new world, is that your actual solution?

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  • From Dave Smith@adavid.smith@sympatico.ca to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 14:02:52 2025
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    On 2025-12-08 12:03 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:
    not washed before heading into a plate or bowl.

    I'm equally sure fingers are not washed nowadays before eating
    hand-held foods. The McDonald's drive-through comes to mind.


    Most any restaurant with a drive-thru qualifies for dirty finger
    patrons. Heck, even the ones with a sit-down space indoors to eat
    qualifies.



    Some people have different standards of health and cleanliness. Years
    ago I had the septic tank cleaned out. It was a hot summer day so I
    offered the guy a beer which he gladly accepted. I stuck around and
    chatted. Something was choking the suction hose so the guy out the beer
    bottle on the ground hauled the hose up and saw there was piece of wood causing the problem. He pulled it off, tossed the wood away, reached
    down to wipe his hands on the grass then picked up the beer and had a
    swig. That grossed me out.

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  • From jmquown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 17:59:21 2025
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    On 12/7/2025 9:17 PM, Ed P wrote:


    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that the
    only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early 17th century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.


    I read that same thing on a silly newsfeed while I was on my lunch break
    at work. I, for one, don't use forks made of silver. The Puritans would
    have known about stainless steel but that's the material of choice for
    forks (and knives and spoons) in this household. :)

    Jill
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  • From jmquown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 18:11:25 2025
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    On 12/8/2025 5:59 PM, jmquown wrote:
    On 12/7/2025 9:17 PM, Ed P wrote:


    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans. John >> Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put “Earth’s
    dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food” and it is said that >> the only natural eating instrument was the human finger. In the early
    17th century the use of the fork was considered to be artificial and
    decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork remained for a long
    time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.


    I read that same thing on a silly newsfeed while I was on my lunch break
    at work. I, for one, don't use forks made of silver.  The Puritans would NOT
    have known about stainless steel but that's the material of choice for
    forks (and knives and spoons) in this household. :)

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Dec 8 22:11:30 2025
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    jmquown wrote on 12/8/2025 4:59 PM:
    On 12/7/2025 9:17 PM, Ed P wrote:


    Forks

    In America, a fork was considered to be “evil” by some Puritans.
    John Winthrop is said to have declared that it was sinful to put
    “Earth’s dung (silver) ‘twixt our fingers and God’s food”
    and it is said that the only natural eating instrument was the human
    finger. In the early 17th century the use of the fork was considered
    to be artificial and decadent. These negative attitudes about the fork
    remained for a long time, but eventually forks gained acceptance.


    I read that same thing on a silly newsfeed while I was on my lunch break
    at work. I, for one, don't use forks made of silver. The Puritans would have known about stainless steel but that's the material of choice for
    forks (and knives and spoons) in this household. :)

    Jill

    Household? Gee, I thought your royal Majesty lived alone?


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  • From Dr. Rocktor@drr@in.valid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Dec 9 00:05:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 17:59:21 -0500
    jmquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    I read that same thing on a silly newsfeed while I was on my lunch
    break at work. I, for one, don't use forks made of silver.

    Pity, silver has well known antibiotic properties.

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